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im not too familiar with how quad works so could someone explain how the ghz work since 2.0 is the max comparied to a amd 6000 just something to help me decide what im going to do. thanks
you'll have to wait for benchmarks. But, quads work by putting four processors on one die.
1.7 ghz means that all 4 cores run at 1.7 ghz.
so would that be like 1.7 ghzx 4 or just 1.7 4 ways?
Wor.dWhat is the difference between the two? No it does not run at 6.8 GHz.
i guess what im trying to say is how do the Ghz work on a quad core compared to a duel core, and if you did a octy set-up how that would be taken into effect all in all would it be better to have 2 1.8 quad or 2 3.0 duel
95W for the 2 GHz model? Ow.
I'm glad the prices are rather competitive though.
On a multiple application (or a multithread), you will see 6.8ghz of work.
This is an incredibly perverse way of putting it. Amdahl's law aside, you might see a linear increase in computational power with number of cores, which might be roughly similar to an increase in clock frequency of the same number, but describing it as "6.8GHz" is pretty inaccurate.
Oh really? I had no idea AMD was producing a quad-core CPU at all. I just must be out of the loop.It's a quad-core.
Run cooler, yes. Overclock? You realize these are two- and eight-way server processors, right? There aren't that many s1207 boards that let you OC. May as well try and OC an Itanium.I would rather get one of the 68w HE versions... a lot more likely to run cooler and overclock better.
ABCDWhat's with this numbering scheme??!?!
These are server processors. Phenoms will likely recieve the more familiar PR rating.What's with this numbering scheme??!?!
Oh really? I had no idea AMD was producing a quad-core CPU at all. I just must be out of the loop.
In all seriousness, 95 W is disappointing to me because Intel was able to achieve that same TDP with a MCM. After all the bragging AMD has done about energy efficiency, about their process, and especially after that whole oven mitt thing with Prescott, I expected better.
Right now, it's starting to look as though AMD is releasing a "native quad-core" processor with at best equal performance and thermal envelopes to Intel's "backwards hack job" of a design. After all the energy AMD put into trying to convince me that the native approach was ten times better, I'm rightfully disappointed.
I sincerely hope I'm proven wrong when the NDA lifts.
Oh really? I had no idea AMD was producing a quad-core CPU at all. I just must be out of the loop.
In all seriousness, 95 W is disappointing to me because Intel was able to achieve that same TDP with a MCM. After all the bragging AMD has done about energy efficiency, about their process, and especially after that whole oven mitt thing with Prescott, I expected better.
Right now, it's starting to look as though AMD is releasing a "native quad-core" processor with at best equal performance and thermal envelopes to Intel's "backwards hack job" of a design. After all the energy AMD put into trying to convince me that the native approach was ten times better, I'm rightfully disappointed.
I sincerely hope I'm proven wrong when the NDA lifts.
Oh really? I had no idea AMD was producing a quad-core CPU at all. I just must be out of the loop.
In all seriousness, 95 W is disappointing to me because Intel was able to achieve that same TDP with a MCM. After all the bragging AMD has done about energy efficiency, about their process, and especially after that whole oven mitt thing with Prescott, I expected better.
Right now, it's starting to look as though AMD is releasing a "native quad-core" processor with at best equal performance and thermal envelopes to Intel's "backwards hack job" of a design. After all the energy AMD put into trying to convince me that the native approach was ten times better, I'm rightfully disappointed.
I sincerely hope I'm proven wrong when the NDA lifts.
Thier using the B1 core at the start which sucks. It uses too much power for the clock speeds. Wait for the B2 core thats the sweet spot as it uses much less power.
I don't think this is 100% valid. Note that AMD has had 35W EE procs for a while on AM2. Even assuming 50% of that is for the memory controller (which we all know is a GROSS overestimation), your DDR2 controller is 17W. Using similar numbers, the 95W "regular" Barcelona still needs almost 80W for just the processor die, not including the IMC.yea but this is the CPU + memory controller in 1 95w package =p, you can compare it to the 95w Intel + xxw generated by the Northbridge, or at least mem controller on the north bridge
I don't think this is 100% valid. Note that AMD has had 35W EE procs for a while on AM2. Even assuming 50% of that is for the memory controller (which we all know is a GROSS overestimation), your DDR2 controller is 17W. Using similar numbers, the 95W "regular" Barcelona still needs almost 80W for just the processor die, not including the IMC.
I'd say yes, when the 4000+ (also 65nm and 2GHz) is 65W including that same "17W" memory controller.so 80w for a new QC chip is bad? I guess the Perf/w will tell it all in the end ^__^
2350 2.0GHz 95W $372
2347 1.9GHz 95W $312
2347 HE 1.9GHz 68W $372
2346 HE 1.8GHz 68W $251
2344 HE 1.7GHz 68W $206
8350 2.0GHz 95W $1004
8347 1.9GHz 95W $774
8347 HE 1.9GHz 68W $861
8346 HE 1.8GHz 68W $688
I'd say yes, when the 4000+ (also 65nm and 2GHz) is 65W including that same "17W" memory controller.
Power states mean nothing to those who fold on all cores, or those who disable such things to overclock. That covers a *lot* of people here.
Sorry, I meant 3800. This 2.1GHz-with-10.5x-multi BS is irritating. Not a huge difference, given that they are all 65W between the 3600 @ 1.9GHz and the 5000+ at 2600.Well I don't know what 4000+ is 65nm 65w and 2ghzbut the X2 3600 is 65/65/1.9 you can compare that, dual core vs quad, 65-15 (make it a bit easier) = 60w x 2 = 120w + 15 ~ 135w, while the Barc equiv is 95w thats a considerable drop this is also the cpu at full tilt, not idle, not half or 3/4 load which will all come into play in the server field no?
Also AMDs proclaimed power states will probably make a huge diff in energy-efficiency. and if the AMD chip out performs the same clocked Intel chip, that will play even more into the Perf Per Watt
Sorry, I meant 3800. This 2.1GHz-with-10.5x-multi BS is irritating. Not a huge difference, given that they are all 65W between the 3600 @ 1.9GHz and the 5000+ at 2600.
Although you want to re-check your math.Shall we say we're even about the 3800/4000 comment?
More importantly, your 1+1 energy equation is inaccurate- that's why I brought up the Intel numbers earlier. e6600+e6600 = q6600, but 65W + 65W is not 105W (not G0, to keep it fair). As I said, Intel's dual-to-quad pulled an 60% in wattage, where AMD's is drawing 50%. I attribute that extra 10% to Intel's two-dies-in-one approach, and nothing else.
I think I heard 1H '08. Can't wait, myself. As long as it isn't SLOWER than X2 clock-for-clock, I'm upgrading as soon as they're affordable.these prices are for the opteron processors which i think are for servers. any news about desktop quad processors?
Prices seem a tad high, even if it is quad core. Especially considering the preliminary performance reports.
Virtually all of them can be OC to a degree. My main system runs a SuperMicro H8DCi with two Opteron 280 processors (2.4GHz) OC to 2.8GHz. That's a 400MHz OC with stock voltage. How is this accomplished? Through the employment of software OC tools such as CrystalCPUID or ClockGen, which is what I use. There are other apps that can OC server boards as well.Run cooler, yes. Overclock? You realize these are two- and eight-way server processors, right? There aren't that many s1207 boards that let you OC.
Sooner, Q4’07 for the Phenom desktop processors unless something changes.I think I heard 1H '08. Can't wait, myself. .
then either AMD is crazy, DT is wrong, or the prelim perf reports were wrong