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EU regulators said today that they have charged Intel with monopoly abuse for allegedly blocking access to AMDs customers.
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EU Charges Intel With Monopoly Abuse
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debello_64
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Microsoft says "Hello" 
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/me starts a countdown to the anti-EU zealots.
Money always wins. Ethical is really a prespective thing, this happens all the time in the industry. Whoever makes the more superior processor and ends up going exclusive, usually wins.
AMD did the same thing when they were going big, I mean intel was just getting socked and sacked by everyone. I think intel was just returning the favor.
While Intel may not have been 100% ethical, making a better deal than your competition to sell a product just sounds like good business to me.
If true this is the only part I have a problem with: "that it made payments to manufacturers to get them to delay or cancel product lines using AMD chips". I think that's the wrong thing to do ethically, but the rest is fine by me.
If true this is the only part I have a problem with: "that it made payments to manufacturers to get them to delay or cancel product lines using AMD chips". I think that's the wrong thing to do ethically, but the rest is fine by me.
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What? That there is some conspiracy? Intel has already been found guilty of, and accepted, antitrust charges in Japan. There is no question of their guilt.
Again, Ockie talking without knowing the facts. Intel has been paying OEMs NOT to sell AMD processors. That is blatant monopoly abuse. Since you're such a zealot for people "quoting their sources", lets see your source that says AMD was threatening to withold product and discounts from OEMs that bought Intel processors.
It has nothing to do with discounts. Intel was doing several illegal things. First, they threatened several companies with withheld product if they purchased too man AMD devies. Second they paid companies cash to cancel orders from AMD. Third they refused discounts to companies that purchased too much AMD product. Intel has been found guilty of all three in Japan and all three are clear abuses of monopoly power.
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This time Intel cant buy themselves out of this ethical crossroad like they did with Digital.
Well all of that is up to the court's to decide. What's odd is that AMD would be hurting anyway right now despite what Intel may or may not be doing. Continuing to pound on them just makes very little sense. All it would do is get them in trouble with the EU and obviously it has.
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I highly doubt they're still doing it as they under a microscope worldwide as a result of the Japanese rulings.
Esentially what they were doing was telling the big OEMs that if they started selling AMD systems (which at the time were cheaper, faster, and better) they would cut their supply of Intel processors. As a result their choices was either A) Sell inferior (Intel) product at a higher price., or B) Lose all their customers that desire Intel and at the same time have a massive shortage of processors since AMD didn't have the manufaturing capacity to supply processors for the OEM's entire operation.
Basicly they used their monopoly to prevent themselves from losing their monopoly.
I'm clairvoyant
lol.
Perhaps you need to read the other threads before jumping into your tin hat paranoia.
Who was talking about Japan? lol. So guilty ones always means guilty in all cases?
lol. I don't know what your problem is, but if you want to see exclusive contracts by AMD to undercut the other vendors, here you go:
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35843
If you believe that companies do not pat the back other other companies in returns for exclusive favors, then I honestly do not know what to tell you and I don't have anything to suggest for you either.
You know, this is what I find ironic, you tell me to quote some sources on anything, but you fail to do the same thing.
If all you know is known to be such fact, then why does this even have to appear in courts? Once again, you are assuming they are guilty becuase they were found guilty in another nation on a diffrent date.
Seems like to me you are just standing on your perch screaming for people to hear.
Of course, because you would know this.
You work for intel? You seem to know so much about this and what happened on the "inside".
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If Intel is guilty,would it be such a big surprise? Big business is a cutthroat world.If their positions were reversed,AMD might resort to the same tactics.The bottom line is that right now,Intel makes the better product.In the end,actions like this won't help AMD get back on top,only coming up with better processors will do that.If you're going to swim with sharks,you'd better have big teeth if you want to survive.
You're not seeing the EU commission's mission to shake cash out of deep pockets.
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That's some grade-a fanboyism there. Or maybe just trolling? Either way, that's a sad defence.
Do you even read before you give links? That's compeltely unrelated.
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=japan+intel+antitrust&meta=
Knock yourself out.
Again, more of your trolling/fanboyism. Covering your eyes and claiming that because the proceedings have only finished in one country that it doesn't count is a joke.
Cover your ears and hum all you want, it doesn't make you right.
I have this shocking super power I like the ability to use common sense. South Korea has raided Intel offices, the EU has been investigating Intel for a while, AMD has launched antitrust lawsuits. That's a pretty good indication that they're being watched.
There's actually this guy I know on the inside. He's really good at getting me these things called "public records" from the Japan anti-trust verdict. I really don't know how he does what he does, but the man is obviously talented.
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I have seen a lot of people claiming that AMD would still be in a bad place right now if Intel had not used these tactics, but they are wrong.
When Intel threatened motherboard makers with reducing their supply of BX chipsets when the Athlon came out, that reduced the amount of Athlons sold and made it more difficult for AMD to finish the Athlon 64. If they had the extra money from the extra Athlons they would have sold, they would have had the engineers necessary to debug the Athlon 64 sooner, and would have made more money from that, and sooner.
If they would have been able to introduce the Athlon 64 sooner, they would have made even more money from that project and would have been able to hire even more engineers for the next project.
If that would have happened, then we would be using Barcelona chips right now, and AMD would be competing head to head with the Core 2, and they would not be in bad shape at all.
It is sometimes not just about making money. Intel, right now, is lowering the prices of their Core 2 chips so that AMD will have to follow suit, and they won't have the money to hire more engineers to get back ahead of Intel. Intel could be making much more from their ships and still sell as many, but then AMD would be able to charge more for their chips and they would have more money to hire more engineers. AMD would then be able to catch up faster and probably even beat Intel with their next gen product.
The nasty things Intel did way back when is affecting AMD today, and probably for years to come.
When Intel threatened motherboard makers with reducing their supply of BX chipsets when the Athlon came out, that reduced the amount of Athlons sold and made it more difficult for AMD to finish the Athlon 64. If they had the extra money from the extra Athlons they would have sold, they would have had the engineers necessary to debug the Athlon 64 sooner, and would have made more money from that, and sooner.
If they would have been able to introduce the Athlon 64 sooner, they would have made even more money from that project and would have been able to hire even more engineers for the next project.
If that would have happened, then we would be using Barcelona chips right now, and AMD would be competing head to head with the Core 2, and they would not be in bad shape at all.
It is sometimes not just about making money. Intel, right now, is lowering the prices of their Core 2 chips so that AMD will have to follow suit, and they won't have the money to hire more engineers to get back ahead of Intel. Intel could be making much more from their ships and still sell as many, but then AMD would be able to charge more for their chips and they would have more money to hire more engineers. AMD would then be able to catch up faster and probably even beat Intel with their next gen product.
The nasty things Intel did way back when is affecting AMD today, and probably for years to come.
AMD's problems with the K8 had to do mostly with the process, not design or financial problems. That line of your argument continues to go way off from there. Barcelona seems to be having the same problems now.
I do agree that the price war is going to seriously hamper AMD's future ability to compete, if not survive.
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Actually, production engineers work together to work out problems with fabrication processes, just as design engineers work on design problems. With more money for more production engineers and more replacement equipment, they would be able to work out those problems quicker, and get it out into mass production faster.
This was a problem for the original (Sledgehammer) K8. The final design sent to production was completed over a year before it made it to mass production.
With their recent losses, they might have a problem with this. Losses of the range AMD has been suffering for the last year cannot be maintained for long.
I was trying to keep it simple.