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Maybe I am to spoiled by OLED these days but the idea that something in 32" could have worse viewing angles than the 57" is in itself a bit worrying.
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Maybe I am to spoiled by OLED these days but the idea that something in 32" could have worse viewing angles than the 57" is in itself a bit worrying.
A lot of games still don't have good FOV adjustment settings and even then I usually found them counterproductive where to reduce FOV distortion you had to reduce the FOV which then negates seeing more of the game.
Control is the only game I remember that didn't have FOV distortion because it seemed to have a different way of handling FOV compared to other games. Control didn't actually even support the aspect ratio and needed INI hacks for it.
Looking at Alan Wake 2, it seems to also have only a little bit of FOV distortion where objects at the edges of the screen stretch to look wider.
Doom Eternal for me was really annoying to look at in 32:9, and I much preferred playing it in 21:9 or 16:9.
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That's probably because in order for all of the pixels to be on axis, pointed directly at you, you'd have to be sitting at the center of the screen's curvature, it's radius. 1000R(adius) = 1000mm = ~ 40" view distance. Unfortunately due to the dimensions of a lot of (most of) the uw screens vs, the aggressiveness of their curvature, it's not viable to sit that far because the screen would shrink in height to your perspective too much, to a narrow belt. Also depending on the pixel sizes vs need for scaling as recently mentioned in this thread by others. I'd love a big curved screen suitable for 40" view distance but I don't want a short one. Closer on a desk or just behind one I'd want 700R (700mm, 27.5 inch view distance) to 800R (800mm, 31.5 inch view distance) .
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the nearer you sit than the center point of any curved screen, the more off-axis the pixels farther from center of the screen will be from you since they are pointed at the center point which is then farther behind you. This will cause uniformity issues almost like a gradient to the far ends and corners as the pixels farther away are more and more off-axis from you. It also causes/exacerbates geometry~distortion issues, even on the 2d desktop/apps.
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Screen dimensions vs center point of curvature:
1000R = 1000mm = ~ 40"
Pixels on axis to the viewing position dot at the center of curvature.
At the nearer dot viewing position, pixels farther from center become more and more off-axis as they are pointed at the farther dot, the center of the curvature.
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The xenon flex was one of the few curved gaming screens that had a higher possible curvature but it had some other tradeoffs like being 1440p, and a high price among other things.
It could do up to 800R(adius) = 800mm = ~ 32" view distance to center of curvature. 700mm (28") to 800mm (32") would allow people with a deep enough desk to sit at the center of curvature or near to it. I'd prefer the screens were taller and even wider/longer though.
edit: the LG 45GR85QE-B was also 800R, 800mm ~ 32" but it has a fixed curve where the xenon was adjustable all the way to flat. Both screens are oled 3440 x 1440p, 240hz.
from: https://videocardz.com/press-release/corsair-xeneon-flex-is-the-first-bendable-oled-gaming-monitor
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Incidentally, I love when sites do screen roadmaps and just put "curved" without the actual radius of the curvature. As it it's just a binary thing like round vs square. The degree of curvature is very important vs screen distortion (and uniformity to the sides).
The LG 39GS95QE-B is 3440x1440 OLED 240hz 800R
There might be a few others roadmapped but they aren't the kind of dimensions and resolutions, overall specs I'm interested in personally.
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Compared to the Neo G8 the 57 is pretty different. The only real downgrade is that it has lower native contrast. The FALD algorithm is completely different (far less black crush and detail loss). Rtings scores the 57's FALD algorithm lower than the Neo G8 but I think they're on crack because the 57's is way superior overall.
Outside of this, it's much brighter in HDR (basically 2x as bright in real content from small windows all the way to 100%) and they've finally learned to dial back the overdrive and sacrifice some pixel response to eliminate overshoot. The colors and color volume aren't as good as IPS mini-led but its offset by significantly better contrast which IMO makes it a wash. I don't really want to compare color to OLED because its not really a 1:1 comparison. OLED colors look great when there are barely any highlights on screen but as soon as the content demands more brightness it looks no better than SDR and the whole color volume thing goes out the window (not sure why more people don't talk about this).
I don't personally think the difference in viewing angles are even worth mentioning, both panels are trash in that regard. Easily its biggest weakness that can be a deal breaker for some coming from an OLED or IPS. Horizontal isn't too big of an issue, its the vertical so you have to make sure to accommodate the monitor with a deep desk because if you're too close, the top or bottom wash out really easily.
Other than viewing angles the only 2 problems are that HDR looks really bad on desktop (it looks like the backlight is not adjusting to the Windows SDR brightness slider) and as a result, AutoHDR looks like trash but thanks to RTX HDR basically replacing it, its a non issue for me. This is a reoccurring problem going back a few years to the Neo G9 so I can't pinpoint if its a Samsung or Windows issue because using this basically fixes it:
https://github.com/dylanraga/win11hdr-srgb-to-gamma2.2-icm
At the same time, without using the above fix, its a mystery why OLED's and my PG32UQX look no different on the desktop with HDR enabled vs disabled compared to the Samsung.
Secondly, there is unit to unit variation in the faint diagonal scanlines. Mine has none in SDR (or they are so faint that I can't even see them) and sometimes in HDR, I can spot them if I'm close enough on the right side of the panel with solid colors on desktop. In games I never see it.
I'm still baffled as to why Nvidia and 240hz doesn't work. I can see it switch EDID between 120hz in the OSD and 240hz (goes from 32Gbps HDMI 2.1 support to the full 48Gbps). Everything else in the EDID shown by CRU looks identical to the G8 down to the DSC slices supported. I don't really care for 240hz for the actual refresh rate, I want the 98-240hz VRR range because it means less VRR flicker which in a game like Alan Wake is horrific on anything without a hardware Gsync module.
To sum up, Samsung did the best they could given how handicapped they were with a VA panel. A IPS black version that necessitates a less aggressive curve with 2000:1 native (vs 2400:1 of the 57) and maybe double the dimming zones would be end game for my use case of 75/25 productivity/gaming.
Outside of this, it's much brighter in HDR (basically 2x as bright in real content from small windows all the way to 100%) and they've finally learned to dial back the overdrive and sacrifice some pixel response to eliminate overshoot. The colors and color volume aren't as good as IPS mini-led but its offset by significantly better contrast which IMO makes it a wash. I don't really want to compare color to OLED because its not really a 1:1 comparison. OLED colors look great when there are barely any highlights on screen but as soon as the content demands more brightness it looks no better than SDR and the whole color volume thing goes out the window (not sure why more people don't talk about this).
I don't personally think the difference in viewing angles are even worth mentioning, both panels are trash in that regard. Easily its biggest weakness that can be a deal breaker for some coming from an OLED or IPS. Horizontal isn't too big of an issue, its the vertical so you have to make sure to accommodate the monitor with a deep desk because if you're too close, the top or bottom wash out really easily.
Other than viewing angles the only 2 problems are that HDR looks really bad on desktop (it looks like the backlight is not adjusting to the Windows SDR brightness slider) and as a result, AutoHDR looks like trash but thanks to RTX HDR basically replacing it, its a non issue for me. This is a reoccurring problem going back a few years to the Neo G9 so I can't pinpoint if its a Samsung or Windows issue because using this basically fixes it:
https://github.com/dylanraga/win11hdr-srgb-to-gamma2.2-icm
At the same time, without using the above fix, its a mystery why OLED's and my PG32UQX look no different on the desktop with HDR enabled vs disabled compared to the Samsung.
Secondly, there is unit to unit variation in the faint diagonal scanlines. Mine has none in SDR (or they are so faint that I can't even see them) and sometimes in HDR, I can spot them if I'm close enough on the right side of the panel with solid colors on desktop. In games I never see it.
I'm still baffled as to why Nvidia and 240hz doesn't work. I can see it switch EDID between 120hz in the OSD and 240hz (goes from 32Gbps HDMI 2.1 support to the full 48Gbps). Everything else in the EDID shown by CRU looks identical to the G8 down to the DSC slices supported. I don't really care for 240hz for the actual refresh rate, I want the 98-240hz VRR range because it means less VRR flicker which in a game like Alan Wake is horrific on anything without a hardware Gsync module.
To sum up, Samsung did the best they could given how handicapped they were with a VA panel. A IPS black version that necessitates a less aggressive curve with 2000:1 native (vs 2400:1 of the 57) and maybe double the dimming zones would be end game for my use case of 75/25 productivity/gaming.
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I mean QD OLED TVs sure they can do decent with regards to color volume since they aren't nerfed so hard like QD OLED monitors. In a lot of games though this really isn't going to matter. Been playing a ton of Helldivers 2 and I must say the HDR in this game is CRAP. Played on both my QD OLED and InnoCN and it looks equally dull and lifeless on both displays, plus there are zero settings you can tweak, it's just HDR on or off and nothing else. Having higher color volume doesn't do much if the game isn't going to make use of it in the first place.
Yeah that's true. The games where the color volume actually makes a difference are few and far between where as the contrast is applicable to basically everything.
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You could try to follow some of the plasmatvforgaming youtube channel's reshade Lilium HDR shader recommendations that is applicable to native HDR games to see if you could squeeze some more out of it. It's not too complicated to set up but it's not just an on/off switch. You put a value in a heading and then you adjust some sliders just like you might in an OSD.
https://www.youtube.com/@plasmatvforgaming9648/videos
Mainly, a reshade adjustment "clamping"/re-assigning of the "Max CLL for static tone mapping" + the "Target Peak Luminance" values.
There is a black floor checkbox that helps several games that otherwise have lifted black depths too. Essentially some games stretch the range from the middle, moving the blacks, compressing and muddying their detail, and stretch the top end of the graph way up past where it should be, clipping brights to white blobs. The reshade filter allows you to adjust the range back to fit your particular display closer. You can also adjust a few other parameters to taste if you want to.
*has a much bigger effect in actual HDR on your screen than this little compressed SDR gif's image of in-game. The graph is a better example of whats going on, but you can prob get the idea.
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I don't own helldivers 2 , and I haven't watched this video in hdr yet but the guy supposedly applied reshade to Helldiver 2's HDR and has played 150 hours with no problems vs anti-cheat or anything:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaG9nq5HmwM
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You could try to follow some of the plasmatvforgaming youtube channel's reshade Lilium HDR shader recommendations that is applicable to native HDR games to see if you could squeeze some more out of it. It's not too complicated to set up but it's not just an on/off switch. You put a value in a heading and then you adjust some sliders just like you might in an OSD.
https://www.youtube.com/@plasmatvforgaming9648/videos
Mainly, a reshade adjustment "clamping"/re-assigning of the "Max CLL for static tone mapping" + the "Target Peak Luminance" values.
There is a black floor checkbox that helps several games that otherwise have lifted black depths too. Essentially some games stretch the range from the middle, moving the blacks, compressing and muddying their detail, and stretch the top end of the graph way up past where it should be, clipping brights to white blobs. The reshade filter allows you to adjust the range back to fit your particular display closer. You can also adjust a few other parameters to taste if you want to.
*has a much bigger effect in actual HDR on your screen than this little compressed SDR gif's image of in-game. The graph is a better example of whats going on, but you can prob get the idea.
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I don't own helldivers 2 , and I haven't watched this video in hdr yet but the guy supposedly applied reshade to Helldiver 2's HDR and has played 150 hours with no problems vs anti-cheat or anything:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaG9nq5HmwM
I'd rather not. You never know how future game updates will behave when it comes to reshade. Even RTX HDR is unsupported in this game so for now I'll just deal with the less than stellar HDR implementation because the graphics of this game in general are not impressive. Not that I'm actually paying attention to the graphics when I'm playing anyway since I'm too busy just enjoying the game.
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I haven't tried. When it comes to online multiplayer games I usually won't mess with them whether it's Reshade, DLSS Tweaks, etc etc.
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Just trying to help. It sounded like you were very pretty unhappy with the HDR.
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Understandable if you don't want to risk it in a multiplayer game, and one that won't even allow RTX HDR (that's nuts). . especially since it just came out/you just purchased it. According to that video he did 150 hours on it with reshade enhanced HDR filtering but who knows.
There will always end up being cheaters, thousands in some of the more popular franchises, anti-cheat or not, but it does help reduce it some. In a co-op game it would be nice if you could turn the anti-cheat off (and have the session flagged as that) for things like visual enhancements and such - like if you have a friends list for example where you tend to play with the same people a lot of the time, with maybe one slot as a random person at times as necessary (until, if they are a regular player, they also get onto your friends list, or if they are undesirable, get put on a block list).
I played a lot of L4D2 and Vermintide2 with that kind of friends list system you could cultivate. It was also important in mmos like WoW back in the day similarly, especially when there wasn't any cross-server gameplay/instance running, you needed to keep a list of players you could count on out of guild-less or other guild players, as well as a blacklist some people. Of course there would never be a no-cheat flag in something like WoW's official servers, but private servers did spring up.
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Understandable if you don't want to risk it in a multiplayer game, and one that won't even allow RTX HDR (that's nuts). . especially since it just came out/you just purchased it. According to that video he did 150 hours on it with reshade enhanced HDR filtering but who knows.
There will always end up being cheaters, thousands in some of the more popular franchises, anti-cheat or not, but it does help reduce it some. In a co-op game it would be nice if you could turn the anti-cheat off (and have the session flagged as that) for things like visual enhancements and such - like if you have a friends list for example where you tend to play with the same people a lot of the time, with maybe one slot as a random person at times as necessary (until, if they are a regular player, they also get onto your friends list, or if they are undesirable, get put on a block list).
I played a lot of L4D2 and Vermintide2 with that kind of friends list system you could cultivate. It was also important in mmos like WoW back in the day similarly, especially when there wasn't any cross-server gameplay/instance running, you needed to keep a list of players you could count on out of guild-less or other guild players, as well as a blacklist some people. Of course there would never be a no-cheat flag in something like WoW's official servers, but private servers did spring up.
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Only one way to find out!
It's not that, the issue is entirely with game FOV rendering. Sometime way in the past game engines settled on a FOV projection that was fast to run and probably easy to program. This was then just used all the way to today. There are many other projections that could work better for superultrawide but games don't use them.
Granted, superultrawide is a niche form factor that's been out for maybe 5 years now so I'm not surprised it is a zero concern for game developers to test, especially when most games are built console-first.
I don't mind turning my head with superultrawides, my beef is that I feel like I'm some sort of fly creature when playing on them because the FOV distorts so heavily on the edges. It feels like that whole area is just reducing performance to render these stretched images. This goes away simply by reducing the horizontal width to something wider than 21:9 but narrower than 32:9.
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I don't mind turning my head either, at least for multi-monitor or multi-monitor-like usage scenarios. Some of those diagrams were just showing that it would be possible to have a curved screen that wide/long while still having all of the pixels on axis pointed directly at you if they chose to design them that way. For example, the red line in this diagram represents a longer screen even when sitting at the 1000mm ~ 40 inch radius of a 1000R screen. A 700R to 800R on a desktop at desktop distances could do the same thing if they designed it that way. (Closer on a desk or just behind one I'd want 700R (700mm, 27.5 inch view distance) to 800R (800mm, 31.5 inch view distance)) .
I get that the game engine can still be warped even with triple monitors pointed directly at you with the pixels on-axis, but when not seated at the center of curvature where a curved screen's pixels are all on axis to you, you will get geometry issues even on the 2d desktop, apps, etc too. So it's not just that the game engine's FoV is not mapped as if it was a poster you had cut out and stuck to your screen. Even if the game was a 2d side scroller, the geometry would be warped.
Some games can compensate for the fun house mirror effect, distortion, as best they are able to with FoV warping with mixed results, but that does nothing for the 2d desktop and other interface's geometry and imagery, and it doesn't help vs. non-uniformity issues on different panel types. It would be better if the pixels were all on axis where you were seated in the first place imo, but you are correct that it wouldn't fix all of the FoV related distortion that occurs in those types of games that have a horizon/perspective lines.
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Oh I'm definitely unimpressed with the HDR but I'm not at all unhappy with the game as a whole. I was just telling it like it is. Again the graphics in Helldivers 2 in general are pretty subpar compared to other major releases, but it's not really a game where you are going to be fixated on the graphics in the first place since you'll just be having a blast shooting things up with friends.
For me the curvature is a total non-issue for desktop use. While the CRG9 I had was only I think 1500R or something, I got used to it and then a regular flat monitor looked as it was convex until your brain adapts to it again. Trying the G9 and G95NC in store the extra curvature was fine to me, preferable to the 1500R of the CRG9.
I actually saw the LG Flex 42" set to 800R curve in a store in Japan while on holiday and it looked pretty nice to me but wasn't showing any desktop style stuff. Would love to see a further iteration of that, one that doesn't cost an arm and a leg.
When those 45" 5120x2160 ultrawides come out next year, I hope they also take another stab at the manually adjustable curve thing as that was a nice way to tailor it to your preference.
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For that tool on GitHub, which profile should we use? Not sure I understand which "nits" level we should use? The max brightness on the monitor is only 50 so how does he have 55 & 80 on the profile? Please explain to a noob.
Also, what is the latest firmware on the monitor? I have 1004.1 but the website shows both that and a 1005.3?
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Likely due to oddities with nVidia and DSC. Switch to 8-bit colour and make sure your connected to HDMi 2 or 3 on the monitor and then see if you can make it work.
RTings noted these sorta oddities as well.
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/samsung/odyssey-neo-g9-g95nc-s57cg95#test_10393
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This thing is YUUUUUUGE!!!
I have the 49" OLED G9 and I was shocked how absolutely gargantuan the box was. This must have been ridiculous. Looks good!
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Its an awesome command center! I just need a 5090 for native 240hz for FPS
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I like it a lot! First hour I wanted to send it back then it grew on me.
120hz is costing me kills in halo infinite and bf2042....but that's what the aw32 4k240 oled is for.
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I stepped some eye candy down in BF2042 and halo infinite and gameplay is much improved!
After a day of use my opinion is this display is Fucking Awesome! And will only get better with better gpus and DP 2.1
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It's hard going from curved to flat. The flat looks like it curving away from you.
How do you feel it compares to the AW otherwise, image quality, response times etc?
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After reducing some eye candy, my average fps are up to 110-120 and it's been super snappy in BF2042 and Halo Infinite..... it would be super nice if Nvidia and Samsung could get off their asses and up the HDMI 2.1 support to at least 200hz though so we have some VRR and vsync overhead
I think its an amazing display, contrast is great, colors pop and its plenty bright....currently there is nothing else out there like it, but 2025 looks like it will bring some nice competitors.
Viewing angles don't bother me, and the AG coating is not bad at all.
For pure FPS I would choose the 4k240 oleds, but if you want to have a little bit of fun its great to rotate this into the mix.
I can't wait to play dragons dogma 2 on this!
For work productivity, its a mind blowing luxury.
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Is it really? I thought RE engine games was one of the most optimized there is.
Yeah its pretty bad. 4080 for 4K/30. They aren't clarifying if that includes RT but I'm guessing not based on the fact that the consoles struggle to run the game at like 24FPS with super low dynamic res and no RT.
Trying to run it on this monitor with a 4090 will = like 16FPS lol. DLSS3 will bring that up to 28 while feeling pretty laggy. Hope I'm wrong though.
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Guys, just updated the firmware to the latest one yesterday (1005.3) and installed the latest drivers today (551.86) and for some weird reason, any game I play in full-screen mode just shows up as black/blank screen! If I use Windowed mode it seems to work fine. This was with Adaptive Sync "ON." If I turn it off, everything works normally. This is odd and has never happened before. Can anyone else replicate this issue or let me know of a solution?
l88bastard nice you got one (finally)! What settings are you using?
l88bastard nice you got one (finally)! What settings are you using?
Why not running it in 4k@240hz instead?
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I'm running Eco mode of all things....I dunno haha I think it looks good. Normal response time, 1004.1 firmware and 551.61 drivers
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I am connected via HDMI which does not allow that....besides I have an alienware 4k240 oled for that
Is this some weird HDMI limitation with last gen Nvidia cards as my 3090 can do 4K@240 hz over both HDMI and DP?
You should update it just to be safe. I'm not sure which update fixed the issue with them just perma never waking up from standby. I updated mine within the first 5 minutes since my friend still had it on 1004
Use a USB extension cable and just hang it over the back permanently for when you need to plug in a thumb drive for any future updates. That way you don't have to sit there doing gymnastics with the back trying to insert a thumb drive.
Use a USB extension cable and just hang it over the back permanently for when you need to plug in a thumb drive for any future updates. That way you don't have to sit there doing gymnastics with the back trying to insert a thumb drive.
Local dimming on low. Whyyyyyyyyy
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One of the reviews I watched said low was the best....I dunno...seems ok....I haven't tweaked much
Nah high gives you way more contrast.
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That sucks. I guess the transition to fully open world isn't really suited for RE engine. Oh well I just hope this game has some sweet HDR at least, don't really care too much about being able to hit 240fps in a game like this as I would be more than happy with just getting around 80-100 with FG.