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Why are you comparing peak watts of one card to the average of the other?Look at the efficiency of the cards. I can see why ppl are choosing Nvidia in the poll. Not only do they have the performance and ray tracing - but, the power efficiency is like night and day. Look at this site - in which the pos Rx 7600 is running at 200W! - for hardly any performance compared to the rest? While the RTX 4070 is sipping just over 200W!!!
https://www.pcgamer.com/amd-radeon-...-radeon-rx-7800-xt-benchmarks-and-performance
You only buy AMD if the price is low enough?!?
Peak power of one card vs the other. The 7600 performance vs 4070 - go compare. Then compare peak power of the 7600 of 200w vs the 4070 at 232W.Why are you comparing peak watts of one card to the average of the other?
Huh. For some reason I read the 4070 as just under 200. That's my bad.Peak power of one card vs the other. The 7600 performance vs 4070 - go compare. Then compare peak power of the 7600 of 200w vs the 4070 at 232W.
Performance/watt is awful on any of the AMD cards when you compare it to the Ada cards.
Don't worry about it. I just read through the article and thing that jumped out at me, is that the AMD cards use up so much power - even the lower tier cards. I think it's something AMD really needs to address. I suppose gamers don't care too much about power consumption - is it producing enough frames, is it delivering a good picture and with what features - and that's all fine and dandy, but 1) some ppl live in places where hydro/electricity is expensive; 2) more power/ probably more heat - and the higher tier AMD cards do get hot; 3) nvidia cards this gen - Ada- are really power efficient - and if the performance is relatively similar - then, I think they are a better product - just the prices are way too high - but, once they hit the used/2nd hand market - they will be a better buy when the prices are coming down/no taxes and you get the nvidia features, too. AMD cards are probably a so-so resale value - because of this - and they need to address a lot of things but I think tackling the power efficiency is at or near the top of the list.Huh. For some reason I read the 4070 as just under 200. That's my bad.
If I was a laptop-console-mobile-datacenter maker I would focus on this for small difference even in the mid level, but a single desktop user and those level (both are in the category easy to fit in case, cool, PSU) ?Look at the efficiency of the cards
That is true. While a 4070 might offer better perf/watt than a 7600, the former is also much more expensive.Same goes for almost all Nvidia card, you only buy an non 4090 card if the price is low enough, no one would buy a 4060 at a price close to the 4090
My point was the 7600 performance is crap but why such high power consumption for the low performance? One example.If I was a laptop-console-mobile-datacenter maker I would focus on this for small difference even in the mid level, but a single desktop user and those level (both are in the category easy to fit in case, cool, PSU) ?
200 or 250watt... would one know without looking at a program telling them ?
You only buy AMD if the price is low enough?!?
Same goes for almost all Nvidia card, you only buy an non 4090 card if the price is low enough, no one would buy a 4060 at a price close to the 4090
Does not need to be much cheaper because of the dollar value some buyer would put, many will put $0 on CUDA not using it and very low on RT because at that level of card will just assume RT will end up always at low only in game where RT is easy and those run well on AMD or off.yes, the Nvidia cards are overly expensive but at least you get features with it.
That also true of all non 4090 nvidia card, you only buy them to save money over that option. So yes you only but a 7700xt over a nice msi 4090 watercooled because it is cheaper, but it is not the only reason to buy it over a 16GB 4060TI it is cheaper and much faster. I am not sure why say you buy a faster 7700xt only because it is cheaper, make little sense, being faster is obviously also a reason.I said you'd only buy it if it is cheap
Better go get a 4090 then. I think I solved your looking for a GPU questionMy point was the 7600 performance is crap but why such high power consumption for the low performance? One example.
I said you'd only buy it if it is cheap - because the intangibles/features are sparse compared to nvidia - which has RT, DLSS, CUDA etc. etc. - yes, the Nvidia cards are overly expensive but at least you get features with it.
I don't have the 4090 on my gpu list (check my thread). I never said nvidia cards were affordable or cheap - at least, not the flagship cards.Better go get a 4090 then. I think I solved your looking for a GPU question
Some people are on strict budgets that these amd cards work better for.
But what is being said, if we look at the subject about the 7700xtI never said
Obvious upsell to 7800 XT is obvious. It's the 7900 XT all over again. Dafuq, AMD?I feel like if you are already paying $450 for a 7700XT, spend the extra $50 and get a 16GB card with more performance.
Some games run inherently better on AMD cards and you can always undervolt. Also, not everyone uses ray tracing.My point was the 7600 performance is crap but why such high power consumption for the low performance? One example.
I said you'd only buy it if it is cheap - because the intangibles/features are sparse compared to nvidia - which has RT, DLSS, CUDA etc. etc. - yes, the Nvidia cards are overly expensive but at least you get features with it.