They aren't selling the Surface below the cost of production, quite different from the XBox.
When you factor in total investment of the Device/RD/Marketing.. OH yes they are.
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They aren't selling the Surface below the cost of production, quite different from the XBox.
The lack of integrated broadband It is a pretty common complaint but one that to me isn't an issue as a I several tablets and laptops that I use so a MiFi ends up being more practical plus each time I buy a device I don't have a $100 added to the cost of the unit.
Another thing to carry but it also saves on battery on the device and it's easily shared among devices.
The Surface Pro is but one of a growing number of x86 hybrid devices on the market and many of these hybrids are of the folding keyboard dock nature like several OEMs already have out on the market. I think it made sense for Microsoft to come up with a more unique design.
I do see where you're coming from though as I like the folding keyboard dock design concept better then the Surface's stand. The negative of the folding dock design is that you end up with another piece that can be inconvenient when you're moving around and simply want a tablet.
Same here. Hoping Haswell will make battery life more of a moot point.lol! i like this observation. i for one love the idea of the surface, and plan on buying one if they fix some issues with this one with the haswell refresh. if not, i will find a similar samsung or whatever alternative that does do those things.
So far, so good. I couldn't get her to use One-note on the convertible tablet PC I gave her, but she fired it right up on the pro and is taking hand-written notes in her Cellular Biology class and is recording vids of class and pics in OneNote.
For the 20 million Post-secondary students out there, it would be silly to not have one of these.
Amen, and IMO the RT did damage, because the average Joe just remembers the Microsoft Surface commercial and people's comments about it, and doesn't have a clue what makes the RT and Pro such very different devices.I guess 400k isn't a bad number. Imagine how many Microsoft would have sold by now if they would have skipped the lame Surface RT and just sold the Pro from the start?
That is completely wrong!It's all about the thickness and weight.
It's all about the thickness and weight.
Surely there are more considerations involved in the purchase of a device than how thick it is or how much it weighs. To only consider those factors may leave a lot of relevant information off the table in a purchase decision.
At the price point that MS can and will be able to come down to for bulk purchases, I imagine we are going to see millions of them in schools soon, be it k12 or post secondary.
Completely doable.Try to open that excel spreadsheet your prof just sent you on your school portal AND modify and save it on an iPad.
That is completely wrong!
The correct formula is Length times Diameter plus Weight over Girth divided by Angle of the tip squared. ((L*D)+(W/G))/(A^2) is what matters, not just thickness and weight!
Sorry if I seem defensive.
Try to open that excel spreadsheet your prof just sent you on your school portal AND modify and save it on an iPad.
You've never used an iPad before, haven't you?
I guess 400k isn't a bad number. Imagine how many Microsoft would have sold by now if they would have skipped the lame Surface RT and just sold the Pro from the start?
Surely there are more considerations involved in the purchase of a device than how thick it is or how much it weighs. To only consider those factors may leave a lot of relevant information off the table in a purchase decision.
How much is generally spent advertising a $1k PC? I doubt its anywhere near the tens or hundreds of millions Microsoft spent on creepy breakdancing office workers and schoolgirls playing round the clock everywhere
MS lost money if only 400k units assuming that's even accurate, I'm always leery of big round numbers. And in any case sales have flatlined since, visibility and buzz have dropped off a cliff
The problem is that most normal people don't know it can do more and don't even understand why it exists.
Most normal people do not even get the difference between an ARM and X86 CPU. And that in the end is a shortcoming MS needs to address.
Even if you need access to the full range of Office features, you can still do that on an iPad.
It would have been far less of a shortcoming if they would have done the job right and made Windows RT an "actual" OS and not Windows Phone made bigger which is really what Windows RT is.
Windows RT IS NOT Windows. A super super tiny sub-set does not make Windows RT Windows.Nope, Windows RT is an implementation of COM, it is a true subset of Windows 8. In fact, Metro apps are nothing more than plain old desktop apps, believe it or not. There's a new add on from Startdock that shows the point quite nicely:
Yes I know that this is an add on but it's a 7MB install that looks to simply break the sand boxing and add a windowing frame to Metro apps, which apparently are just frameless desktop apps like any number of desktop apps.
I'll leave the debate about why Microsoft sand boxed Metro apps as much to others. I'm simply pointing out that Windows RT and Metro apps from a technical standpoint are nothing more than plain old Windows and COM apps.
Windows RT IS NOT Windows. A super super tiny sub-set does not make Windows RT Windows.
Windows RT and Windows Phone are the same kernel. In theory Windows RT and WP8 should be (very thick) blood brothers.
Good because it made Windows a lot more modular. Bad because their goal is one code base for everything, and unfortunately a kernel for a server, a kernel for a desktop, a kernel for a gaming machine, a kernel for a tablet and a kernel for a phone are all very different entities.
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I remember, but the difference between then and now is the code-base was vastly different for each platform which is why Microsoft has consistently dropped support for most of the hardware platforms.people seem to forget that Windows has for a long time run on architectures besides x86/x64 such as Alpha, MIPS and Itanium.
They are close but not exactly the same, WP8 is also COM based but unlike Windows RT or full Windows on ARM, it doesn't have the desktop for instance.
People are complaining mostly the UI on the desktop in Windows 8 and Windows Server 2012, which is just flipping switches and has nothing to do with the kernel. Generally people have been positive about the performance and back end features of the two. While Windows Phone 8 has small market share performance and stability don't seem to be issues facing the product, no more than any other phone OS.
Obviously this is very inaccurate because nobody is buying the tablet. It's reception would be considered all but horrible.On tablets the UI seems to be much better received.
Uhh what? Windows on ARM is all RT period. There is no actual "Windows Desktop".
With that statement there really is no point in continuing as it's pretty obvious you don't understand the basic capabilities of Windows RT.
FortMajor he knew what you meant he's just playing semantics games and youre better off not wasting your time.
The closed locked down nature of RT where sideloading and jailbreaking are seen by MS as threats give us a glimpse of the trajectory they have in mind for Metro and x86 Windows, de-emphasizing the desktop a little more each version so ideally it would be completely locked down just like theyve demonstrated with Xbox, etc. Thats why if we don't object now then theyd have every excuse to say "well nobody complained so they like this" later on.
Is it really that much conspiracy theory?Are you a conspiracy theorist? No, the X86 version of windows is not nor will ever be completely locked down. The enterprise desktop is still and will always be critical to Microsoft's bottom line.
Your attempt at extrapolation is entirely misguided and off the wall. Please, quit with the obvious "opinions" and come up with something based in fact for once.
Is it really that much conspiracy theory?
Tons of companies are now selling Tablets and laptops (and desktops) that are almost impossible to uninstall Windows 8 and install an operating system of your choice and systems are being bricked as a result. Some are bricked instantly if any attempt to install is made.
Microsoft's XBox 4 is rumored to be 100% cloud orientated/mandated and will not allow you to sell a game once you're done playing with it; which would effectively kill the game exchange market.
Monopoly as an Industry Trend. I love it.That just follows an industry trend, no conspiracy there.
Monopoly as an Industry Trend. I love it.
What monopoly?
You wouldn't buy an iPhone to run Android on it, don't buy a Surface to run Linux. If you want to run Linux then buy a Linux tablet. It's not that hard of a concept to grasp.
These are not just tablets that this is happening to. This also affects laptops where it is far more common to install multiple/differing operating systems (since you can't buy just any ole laptop you want without Windows)