Yonah Pricing

[meelk]

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=26062

 

[pxc]

Intel mobile CPUs are priced with the chipset included. The paragraph under the table hints at that ($25 extra for the Pro wireless miniPCI card), but Mike didn't note the included chipset above that.

Current model prices, for reference: http://www.intel.com/intel/finance/pricelist/

              Dothan*   Yonah DC**
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2.26GHz       $699
2.16GHz                 $664
2.13GHz       $485      
2GHz          $356      $447
1.86GHz       $303
1.83GHz                 $320
1.73GHz       $271
1.66GHz                 $266
1.66GHz LV              $340
1.6GHz        $268       
1.6GHz LV     $346
1.5GHz LV     $346      $310

* 533MHz versions, Aug '05 prices with 915/855 chipet and PRO Wireless 2915ABG, 1.5GHz/1.6GHz LV = 400MHz FSB
** 667MHz FSB, Jan '06 prices with 945M chipset and PRO Wireless 3945ABG

List prices don't mean much. It looks like dual core laptops will be around the same price as current Dothan models besides the "it's new" markup.

 

[xonik]

Sounds like a good pricing move, because I think few end users would accept a price increase for dual-core capability. It's my belief that users are much more concerned about battery life than performance--especially multi-threaded performance--therefore I would find a significant price jump to be hard to justify.

 

[Pongi]

* 533MHz versions, Aug '05 prices with 915/855 chipet and PRO Wireless 2915ABG, 1.5GHz/1.6GHz LV = 400MHz FSB
** 667MHz FSB, Jan '06 prices with 945M chipset and PRO Wireless 3945ABG

List prices don't mean much. It looks like dual core laptops will be around the same price as current Dothan models besides the "it's new" markup.

You mean to say Yonah will work with the 915/855 chipsets?

I wonder if this thing will work on the CT-479

 

[robberbaron]

You mean to say Yonah will work with the 915/855 chipsets?

I wonder if this thing will work on the CT-479

Single core Yonah. Dual core Yonah has a 667 FSB. It would be pretty weakened if ran on the 533FSB i915 chipset (if thats even possible, it might use the same dual core logic the Pentium D's have on the 945/955)

 

[Thorburn]

The 915 chipset would not support a dual core processor, only the 945 chipset has the necessary logic to cope with this.

 

[shoes]

oh man oh man i am totally gonna get in on some yonah action. or maybe i will just wait for conroe

 

[robberbaron]

The 915 chipset would not support a dual core processor, only the 945 chipset has the necessary logic to cope with this.

Well, Intel could have put the dual core logic inside the chip a la AMD and make it compatible with older chipsets, but they don't make money that way.

 

[pxc]

Well, Intel could have put the dual core logic inside the chip a la AMD and make it compatible with older chipsets, but they don't make money that way.

Changing the NB/CPU interface would require a totally new socket and separate chipset. I'd bet the cost of a radical switch would cost more than what appears to be held steady prices, as listed above.

One cool thing is that 65nm Yonahs will cost much less to manufacture than current 90nm Dothans. Yonah only has around 12 million more transistors than Dothan, but the die at 65nm gives over 1000 candidates per 300mm wafer. That's what will make Intel money, not the lack of an integrated north bridge.

 

[coldpower27]

Changing the NB/CPU interface would require a totally new socket and separate chipset. I'd bet the cost of a radical switch would cost more than what appears to be held steady prices, as listed above.

One cool thing is that 65nm Yonahs will cost much less to manufacture than current 90nm Dothans. Yonah only has around 12 million more transistors than Dothan, but the die at 65nm gives over 1000 candidates per 300mm wafer. That's what will make Intel money, not the lack of an integrated north bridge.

I dunno if that appears to be the case, while it is true the number of transistors hasn't increased much between Dothan and Yonah, the die size itself has increased rather then decreased, as even with 65nm process technology, Yonah is a Dual Core processor, and since the actual CPU core density is lower then that of cache, the actual die of Yonah is larger then Dothan in the end, candidate yield on a 300mm wafer on the 65nm process is about 687, based on the fact that Yonah has a 90.3mm2 die size. Not to mention the fact that the 65nm process is a 8 layer process vs the 7 layer one used for the 90nm node by Intel. However what will make money for Intel I believe, is the shift from Prescott-2M & Prescott, Smithfield to the 65nm derivatives Cedar Mill & Presler. Cedar Mill is a considerably tinier product then Prescott-2M, since it's a straight optical shrink. Presler is not, as the cache size has increased to 2MB per core. But still is quite a bit smaller then Smithfield.

 

[pxc]

based on the fact that Yonah has a 90.3mm2 die size.

Sometimes, like almost always, it's better to get information from a source other than theinq. 90mm^2 is the size of Merom, something that magee doesn't seem to get. Yonah will be much smaller than Dothan. Intel has shunk both SRAM and logic gates in 65nm from 90nm so it's impossible that Yonah will be the same size or larger than Dothan.