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X800 XTPE Crashing

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Apologenetic

Limp Gawd
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When ever I play games, 2D, 3D whatever, my games crash to desktop after a few minutes. I took off the stock cooler and put som AS5 under there but it still happends. My idels are 30c and my top active is 50c. I ran ATi tool to check the temps right after a crash. They are always at 50c... always. Is there a trigger or saftey lock somewhere that closes apps at 50c for the X800's? Because that's exactly what's happening. Ideas, suggestions?... Oh, and I put my comp in my window for cooler ambent temps (I live in CT) but it still gets to 50c active.
 
Apologenetic said:
When ever I play games, 2D, 3D whatever, my games crash to desktop after a few minutes. I took off the stock cooler and put som AS5 under there but it still happends. My idels are 30c and my top active is 50c. I ran ATi tool to check the temps right after a crash. They are always at 50c... always. Is there a trigger or saftey lock somewhere that closes apps at 50c for the X800's? Because that's exactly what's happening. Ideas, suggestions?... Oh, and I put my comp in my window for cooler ambent temps (I live in CT) but it still gets to 50c active.
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if it does that its nothing to do with you x800.
 
you sure, cause it is always at 50c when a game crashes, BTW everything is stock clocks, CPU too, oh, and I'm using Cats 4.10
 
Tried reinstalling your video card drivers?

Tried turning off VPU Recover and Fast Writes in the CCC?
 
The fact that the card is running at 50C has nothing to do with it, and it's nothing more then a coincidence that that's what the temp is always sitting at when it crashes.....50C is nothing though.

I would recommend doing a clean re-install of your Catalyst drivers, as well as making sure you've got VPU recover disabled....as I could hardly ever boot up with it enabled, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was somehow at least a partial culprit.

50C is actually a very nice load temp, but once you get this all cleared up I'd recommend trying out rthdribl. Run it and stretch the window out so that it's taking up almost the entire screen. Check your temps after about a half hour.....THAT is your max load temp, a lot of games won't take it quite as high as rthdribl.

Also, please let us know what you're using to monitor your temps on the card. The only reason I ask is because with my 9800XT the temperature sensor was not right ON the core. Rivatuner reported the temp directly from teh sensor....and the overdrive screen in your control panel simply takes that temp and adds on about 20C, to "compensate" for the fact that it's not right on the core.

It doesn't really matter which method you use, as long as you let us know, because 50C reported by rivatuner on my 9800XT would have meant it was actually closer to 70C. I wanna do a bit of checking up though and see if the X800's have the same "issue" with the temp sensor that the r360 did.
 
X800's temp readings are correct in the control panel. 50C is an awesome temp for it being under load. You are having some driver issues with either your OS or Vid card....
 
Ok, I tried 4.8, 4.9hot, and 4.10, all crash games but only 4.10 crashes to desktop instead of the whole system. But I'm finding more that it's not always at 50c it's lower when it crashes sometimes. I tried turning off the VGU recover stuff... doesn't help. I'm using ATITool 0.0.22 to monitor temps... I ran that ball program for a half hour but my max on that only got to 54c, just a 2 minute run of ATITool's "Find Max Core" gets me to 58/59c. Thanks for all the suggestions so far. The temps also dropped, it's getting colder outside, 27ide, 47load( hehe)
 
Disable Fast Writes in the SMARTGART tab? Have you run www.memtest86.com to rule out your system RAM? I've had a flaky stick of RAM give me your symptoms too.
 
I'll try the memtest next, but yea, just got done testing out Fast-Re-rewrites off in BattleField: Vietnam. It was going good for the longest time yet but it still crashed at 55c.
 
had the same problem.. Went away after i used a Driver cleaner thru safemode. Got rid of all kind of old stuff i had hanging around.. Lots of things i thought i unistalled but they where still there. Cleaned them out. Installed fresh drivers. Everything is great now.. Can even overclock better.
 
Dachshund said:
had the same problem.. Went away after i used a Driver cleaner thru safemode. Got rid of all kind of old stuff i had hanging around.. Lots of things i thought i unistalled but they where still there. Cleaned them out. Installed fresh drivers. Everything is great now.. Can even overclock better.
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Good to hear that worked out for someone.....Apologenetic, did you do the installs and uninstalls using the process I linked you to (using safe mode and driver cleaner each time) when you tried out the new drivers? Also, might be a shot in the dark, but you've updated and ran all your programs like Adaware, Spybot S&D, Norton etc.....right? You'd be amazed what spyware can do, and I'd still make sure you're all up to date and cleaned out before doing any more hardware checks.

Your max load temps of 58-59C are still quite acceptable, and nothing to worry about, as I've seen numerous people running hotter X800's then that with no issues.
 
try a fresh install of windows, and rule about other instability issues - make sure your system can run Memtest and Prime95 for 24 hours each, 0 errors
 
EnderW said:
try a fresh install of windows, and rule about other instability issues - make sure your system can run Memtest and Prime95 for 24 hours each, 0 errors
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Waste of time IMO......easier to test with Prime95 and Memtest and such ahead of time to rule out any hardware issues. After the hardware has checked out I'd run through teh whoel spyware/virus/defrag session and see if anything changes. Even if nothing is rectified by any of the scanning/cleaning/testing I still wouldn't really say a fresh install of XP is necessary, but it can be used as an absolute last resort.
 
Go to Start->Run->type dxdiag->press Enter. Now click the Save All Information... button and save it some place you remember. Now open it up and look for your video card. Make sure that the driver pack the computer is using ends in the same digits. Sorry I can't show an example I'm at my college library and they have this system on lockdown.
 
cornelious0_0 said:
Waste of time IMO......easier to test with Prime95 and Memtest and such ahead of time to rule out any hardware issues. After the hardware has checked out I'd run through teh whoel spyware/virus/defrag session and see if anything changes. Even if nothing is rectified by any of the scanning/cleaning/testing I still wouldn't really say a fresh install of XP is necessary, but it can be used as an absolute last resort.
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Yes, a fresh install can be time consuming, depending on how much you have to reinstall and how you have your system partitioned/setup.

But sometimes you spend more time asking questions, searching, downloading/running cleaner programs, defragging, scanning, etc then it would take to just reformat - once again, highly dependent on how your system is setup. And reformatting is guaranteed to clean your system out completely.

And I agree, that you should run Prime95 and Memtest first, before doing anything else.
 
I'll side with you on that one......for me it takes no time at all to get back up and running....I have bout 18 different programs installed for benching/testing my system, and twice that many programs for everyday use, so it does take awhile....but to get back to the point where the comp is operational takes really no time. So people are deathly afraid of formatting and I can understand why.

I would (I'll say it again) still recommend doing as much hardware checks/diagnostics before formatting, but if your rig itself checks out then the format MIGHT be a "quick fix" I guess you coudl call it. :p
 
One thing I forgot to mention is using Norton Ghost backups

I like to keep a drive image of a completely clean system, with just the core things - Windows updates, chipset drivers, dx9, video/sound drivers, etc saved on another partition, that way after formatting, you can just use the image to restore your system, and it takes much less time then completely reinstalling.

It's also a good idea to make an image of your system with everything installed running just perfect (if you ever get there) so that if you screw something up, you can restore that perfect image.

And make sure you install your OS seperate from your games and storage partitions.
 
EnderW said:
One thing I forgot to mention is using Norton Ghost backups

I like to keep a drive image of a completely clean system, with just the core things - Windows updates, chipset drivers, dx9, video/sound drivers, etc saved on another partition, that way after formatting, you can just use the image to restore your system, and it takes much less time then completely reinstalling.

It's also a good idea to make an image of your system with everything installed running just perfect (if you ever get there) so that if you screw something up, you can restore that perfect image.

And make sure you install your OS seperate from your games and storage partitions.
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Maybe if i had the space I would be ghosting, but sadly I don't have that leisure....stupid 80GG. :(

For XP, I've always just installed it on the same partition as everything else. I could quite easily setup a seperate 2GB partition for it if I was actually going to see any real gains. Worth my time?
 
I'd have to advise against giving it such a low amount of space. I did the same with an old machine with 2000 on it. All was well at first but with updates and some programs insisting on being installed on c:\ I ran outta of space and into problems. Programs like partition magic will let you adjust sizes whenever you want but its kinda risky doing that to your data. If you really want windows seperate, I'd give it alot of breathing room. FWIW.
 
cornelious0_0 said:
Maybe if i had the space I would be ghosting, but sadly I don't have that leisure....stupid 80GG. :(

For XP, I've always just installed it on the same partition as everything else. I could quite easily setup a seperate 2GB partition for it if I was actually going to see any real gains. Worth my time?
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I would recommend a 7-10GB partition for XP and your normal apps, depending on the number and size of your other programs. Another partition for your games and a third for storage (pics, movies, music, etc).

Compared to a one partition setup, this has several advantages:

1) You only have to format your system partition when reinstalling Windows.

2) Defragging is faster, b/c you only have to defrag the system partition.

3) It helps keep everything organized, and keeps all the Windows junk seperate.

4) There will be a slight increase in performance, if your system partition is the first partition you make, because your entire OS will be on the outer edge of your HDD.

5) When you goto My Computer, it looks like you have a lot of hard drives ;)
 
Currently I have my C: partition with everything installed on it, and my D: Partition on the same drive for storing downloads. Could I not just create a third partition of about 5GB to just install windows on? I don't see why I couldn't leave my games and programs on C: and have a seperate 5GB partition at the beginning of the disk for windows. If I did that then I would only ever have to format that 5GB partition correct? I could format it, and as soon as the install of XP is finished my computer SHOULD boot back up normally right? I think I'm a little confused here as to what (OS, programs, games, drivers) to have on the smaller windows partition and what technically CAN stay on my larger partition I'm using now. Maybe I think something will work when it won't I dunno, please let me know.....
 
ok, I did try doing the clean-up and reinstall from that thread but it doesn't help. I ran Memtest all night and I woke up with no problems... I haven't thought to use adawae or norton yet because I'm on a brand new build... but I'll run them now and let ya know what happends...
 
Check your power supply and make sure it isn't dying, check to see if you are running the most recent system BIOS for your mobo, and make sure all the fans in your system are working properly. If the problem still persists, try taking out any unnecessary hardware components (like sound cards, nic cards, anything plugged into any external ports, etc.). If you have an extra cpu, videocard, or memory compatible with your motherboard, try swapping them with your current stuff one at a time to make sure it isn't a hardware issue.
 
Did you do a clean install of the OS? Did you downclock your overclock(s) to retail level? Did you try with VPU disabled? Did you try with AGP 3.0 disabled in BIOS? Are you getting good airflow to your video card?
 
Mr Mean said:
Did you do a clean install of the OS? Did you downclock your overclock(s) to retail level? Did you try with VPU disabled? Did you try with AGP 3.0 disabled in BIOS? Are you getting good airflow to your video card?
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Like I said ealier, everything is running at stock. Air flow is fine (look at temps in earlier posts) Anyway, update: I ran Adaware and found a bunch of objects, weird, i thought I was really good at not getting that stuff, well just goes to show you, don't let anyone else go on you comp when your not there. Anyway I've been playing BattleField: Vietnam for 2 hours and no glitches, this is good news. I'll contiunue to bench test but I think I'm home free. I'll let you know if the problem returns, Thanks for all the help all.
 
Hehe, looks like my spyware hunch came through then eh? ;)

Good stuff, give me a shout if you have anymore questions....I'm always around to help ppl out.
 
cornelious0_0 said:
Hehe, looks like my spyware hunch came through then eh? ;)

Good stuff, give me a shout if you have anymore questions....I'm always around to help ppl out.
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Good job. Spyware is getting worse all the time. I've had several friends who had probs with their computer, I ran Ad Aware and it always found something. And in some cases it would find over 1000 objects.

And check out this partition guide.
 
I ran memtest86 and come out clean but after persisting problems and failure in other test like prime95 even at all stock speeds, I'm gunna blame this one on the Memory modules. I think I'm going to go with OCZ next time. Seem to be the most stable among MSI neo2-ers.
 
Apologenetic said:
I think I'm going to go with OCZ next time. Seem to be the most stable among MSI neo2-ers.
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They sure do.....and the board IS quite finicky about a few things from what I've seen.
 
Finiky is right, I just tried the same old RAM in two new slots and now it looks fine. Well see...
 
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