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X800 Pro waterblock?

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Xylo

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Can anyone recommend a good waterblock for an X800 Pro graphics board?
There's a number of "generic" waterblocks, that I suppose would be decent?...But wouldn't a more "chipset-specific" block possibly be better?

Koolance seems to make a specific block,
http://www.koolance.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=29_46&products_id=175
...but extremely expensive (hell, half the price of the card itself!).

Innovatek makes one,
http://www.highspeedpc.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=CoolMaticX850
...but just as expensive.

Any others?...and I still have to check reviews on the two above... Maybe my best bet is just to go for a generic GPU block?
 
There is also the Aqua Computer AquagraFX 800/850 cooler and I think it's around $85. It fits both the ATi 800 and 850 cards and cools both memory and gpu. Very nice looking as well. :D
 
BioPort said:
dont buy the over-priced all-in-one gpu/ram coolers. you will get equal or better performance with a standard gpu block and ramsinks.

id reccommend the polarflo tt gpu with the poly top. http://www.frozencpu.com/ex-blc-202.html
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Well actually when you look at the material and machining that goes into a combo cooler the price doesn't seem to me to be all that out of line. I have seen that PolarFlo cooler before, but they seem strangely reticent to actually show what is under that semi-clear top. However, I do agree with you about the use of GPU blocks as I use an Aqua Computer TwinPlex on my pair of 6600 GT's that I'm currently putting together. A-C is also coming out with a new GPU SLI block that you can see here. You didn't specify what tube size you were using, but I gathered from your initial post that you were probably using a smaller tube size than the 1/2" one PolarFlo uses.
 
I am of the opinion that gpu+ram coolers are excessive. Graphics RAM really doesn't need the watercooling, and a good set of ramsinks properly attached will work just fine. The GPU only blocks tend to be less restrictive and do a much better job at cooling the core which is the most important part.

The best gpu only block imo is the Silverprop HL Fusion. It is set to only 1/2" barbs as they are actually machined out of the top.

TN already mentioned the AC gpu only blocks, the Swiftech mcw-50 is a nice block, as is the new acetal topped maze4 gpu.

Any of these blocks will serve you well and cool your x800 splendidly.
 
Danger Den Maze4 GPU works good too, I use it, i'm more then satisfied.

Go with the Silverprop though if you can, I hear many good things about it =)
 
But then again the AquagrATi X800/850 cooler looks pretty nice as well and fits either the 800 or 850 on either AGP or PCI-Express cards. Also for some reason resale value of Aqua Computer products seem to be pretty good. :D
 
Erasmus354 said:
I am of the opinion that gpu+ram coolers are excessive. Graphics RAM really doesn't need the watercooling, and a good set of ramsinks properly attached will work just fine. The GPU only blocks tend to be less restrictive and do a much better job at cooling the core which is the most important part.

The best gpu only block imo is the Silverprop HL Fusion. It is set to only 1/2" barbs as they are actually machined out of the top.

TN already mentioned the AC gpu only blocks, the Swiftech mcw-50 is a nice block, as is the new acetal topped maze4 gpu.

Any of these blocks will serve you well and cool your x800 splendidly.
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I have one of the full card Innovatek ones in my 8mm ID setup. The full coverage blocks aren't for systems that use 10mm ID or higher though, since they will restrict the flow quite a bit. Many also use anodized aluminum.

In my high flow 10mm ID setup, it's probably gonna be the acetal Maze 4, or the chrome one if I can talk myself into it. The good thing about ATI is that since they still use the 2 hole mounting pattern, many blocks will fit on it w/out needing a new mount. Like Erasmus and KrakenGuy said, the Silverprop Fusion is a great choice if you have a larger bore system.

What other components are you running already?
 
I dunno about all the restriction, but ramsinks aren't too cheap you know. A normal GPU block + ramsinks is pretty up there. It's certainly close to $85, even with the Maze4.
"There is also the Aqua Computer AquagraFX 800/850 cooler and I think it's around $85. It fits both the ATi 800 and 850 cards and cools both memory and gpu. Very nice looking as well."

myself I am planning Maze4 + sinks.
 
Erasmus354 said:
The best gpu only block imo is the Silverprop HL Fusion. It is set to only 1/2" barbs as they are actually machined out of the top.
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So, I was looking into this...I like it...Unfortunately, there appears to be only one distributor for North America (and they are in Canada - so not sure about shipping)...

http://www.criticool.com/2videoblocks.html

Their website, well, leaves something to be desired, but I am going to try and get in touch with them...
 
Top Nurse said:
But then again the AquagrATi X800/850 cooler looks pretty nice as well and fits either the 800 or 850 on either AGP or PCI-Express cards. Also for some reason resale value of Aqua Computer products seem to be pretty good. :D
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Perhaps I'm just blind, but I can't seem to find *any* reviews of this product?...anyone know of any?

Thanks!
 
Xylo said:
Perhaps I'm just blind, but I can't seem to find *any* reviews of this product?...anyone know of any?

Thanks!
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As Pooky said you will not really find any English reviews for Aqua Computer equipment. I think I saw one over in the UK for an AC kit, but IIRC it did not have any of the combo coolers in it. If you really want to know more just ask in the AC thread as there are several people who actually have them. :)
 
I was disappointed with the waterblocks available for the X800 family of cards. I was really interested in a high flow solution similar to the Danger Den NV-68 block which also cools the ram.

I went with the DD Acetal low profile maze-4. I just can't get into those ram sinks though.
compare_the_stock_to_DDen-vi.jpg
 
I'm using the ac x800/850 block on a x850xtpe. Its only been running for 2 days but nearly cut my temps in half. Temps dont come close to the 90c I was getting with the vaccuum cleaner like stock fan in the pic above.

P1030691.jpg




heres a link to my build .
link
 
cypher22 said:
I'm using the ac x800/850 block on a x850xtpe. Its only been running for 2 days but nearly cut my temps in half. Temps dont come close to the 90c I was getting with the vaccuum cleaner like stock fan in the pic above.

P1030691.jpg
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What is the silver box thing that the tubing is hooked up to?
 
fore1337 said:
I was disappointed with the waterblocks available for the X800 family of cards. I was really interested in a high flow solution similar to the Danger Den NV-68 block which also cools the ram.

I went with the DD Acetal low profile maze-4. I just can't get into those ram sinks though.
compare_the_stock_to_DDen-vi.jpg
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Did you have to use a prop of some type to keep the video card from bending over from the weight of the tubes?
 
TN, it looks like there is some type of support (appears to be a cut piece of tubing) holding the card up in the after picture...could someone confirm my eyesight? :D
 
cypher22 said:
I'm using the ac x800/850 block on a x850xtpe. Its only been running for 2 days but nearly cut my temps in half. Temps dont come close to the 90c I was getting with the vaccuum cleaner like stock fan in the pic above.
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Cut your temps in half from air cooling?...on just the card, I assume? You were getting 90c w/ the fan on the card?...
 
The most dramatic drop I noticed was with the video cooler. 90 load was the normal temp during games. With the cpu block I idle at 27-28 and load is 32-34. With a zalman fanr it was 32 idle/40 load . But you really start to notice the difference when increasing the voltage on the cpu. with 1.55v on air my cpu idle was 46-50(i never ran it like this for more than 10min), with water its 30.
 
cypher22 said:
The most dramatic drop I noticed was with the video cooler. 90 load was the normal temp during games. With the cpu block I idle at 27-28 and load is 32-34. With a zalman fanr it was 32 idle/40 load . But you really start to notice the difference when increasing the voltage on the cpu. with 1.55v on air my cpu idle was 46-50(i never ran it like this for more than 10min), with water its 30.
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Still a little confused as to what changes in temp you noticed w/ the GPU block...
 
My idle temps with the stock fan and artic silver5 were 50-53, with the x800 aqua cooler attached its idling at 35-40(35 with the ac on.....its 90 here today and the ac is off :( ).

Load temps stock were 89-90.

with watercooling load after 10 min was 46
 
PhateX1337 said:
TN, it looks like there is some type of support (appears to be a cut piece of tubing) holding the card up in the after picture...could someone confirm my eyesight? :D
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That's exactly what it is. I decided to take this precaution after creating a wicked bow in my 6800U. heh heh That's a spent piece of clearflex-60

//another view of the support tubing:

X850XT_on_H2026-vi.jpg


edit:
Update on temps: (Above Pic)
Running GPU @ 555mhz core (520 stock) my core temps under load were 39C
CPU core was 47C under full load.
 
That works :) I saw the same problem with my cards, but have been thinking of doing a cross brace instead.
 
Pooky said:
If there are any, they're going to be German. Check this one out: http://www.com-tra.de/shop/msidanvL...X800__X850_AAF-X800__X850_incl_Halterung.html It's only a little over 59 Euros, whihc translates to $72. I used that place to buy a tank from, and they shipped really fast (5 day shipping with DHL for about $26).
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1) Still can't find any reviews for the AquaGrati.. :( I don't mind Babelfish'ing a German one, even.


2) LICS ARKTICFREEZER-X800/X850 [AAF-X800/X850] (6mm/8mm fittings)
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babe...X800__X850_AAF-X800__X850_incl_Halterung.html

Interesting...never heard of LICS though...anyone know anything about them? (Or specifically this product?)
 
So here's the batch of more X800 specific cards (ie., chip & memory cooler) that I've found listed previously in this thread...

Innovatek Cool-Matic X850 (ATI X800/X850 AGP & PCIe) (8mm fittings)
http://www.webshop-innovatek.de/pri...3501/50142494350d3d711/50098896560ed7f01.html

Koolance VID-AT1-V06 (1/4", 6mm fittings)
http://www.koolance.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=175

Aqua Computer Aquagrati X800/850 (6mm/8mm fittings)
http://www.sharkacomputers.com/aqcoaqx8vgaw.html

LICS ARKTICFREEZER-X800/X850 [AAF-X800/X850] (6mm/8mm fittings)
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babe...X800__X850_AAF-X800__X850_incl_Halterung.html


Also, there's this new CoolerMaster block w/ provided RAM sinks...

CoolerMaster Va-AQUA VGA Water Block for ATI (RL-VAC-CNU1)
http://www.coolermaster.com/index.p...le=RL-VAC-CNU1Va-AQUA VGA Water Block for ATI


But:
1) Can't find much info. on almost any of them...at least none in English...and looking for reviews in German is tough...
2) I'll probably have a high-flow 1/2" set-up...I wonder how bad these would restrict that flow?
3) I wonder how much benefit is gained from cooling the RAM chips too? (Surprisingly, separate RAM sinks aren't *that* cheap either ($15-$20), so not sure if cost is a major consideration with respect to some of the above, after all.)


If I don't get one of these ATI specific coolers, I'll probably just end up doing the Silverprop Fusion internationally from Aus., I guess..
 
Just read that "GDDR-3 RAM which runs very cool, even at high speeds"...

hm...can anyone confirm/elaborate?
 
Fanatik said:
I have the silverprop sl and i love it. Got it from criticool though. Here is another site that has it too. I`ve never ordered from them so I can`t comment on their service but someone I know said they received their block pretty fast.
http://www.frozenmods.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=22&osCsid=cad55db154d07a920c43cbf345b17323
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!!...thanks for the URL!...I've e-mailed Criticool to no avail (when did you get your block from them?...their website seems extremely out-of-date and not well maintained).

Probably going to go place my order later...
 
Doh!...from frozenmods:
"Products are shipped directly from the manufacturer, Silverprop, which is located in Australia."

Well, in that case, I can just order directly from www.coolpc.com.au ...and pay basically the same amount...hurmmmm..
 
I got my SL block from criticool last year, in the fall I believe. They quickly ran out after i ordered mine. Never checked back if they got them in stock. They probably didn`t.
 
I've had the X800 cooler from Innovatek and the Maze4 from DangerDen.

The Maze4 has kept my temps around 40C with clocks up to 660 and high voltage.

My temps with the Innovatek were all around 50C. Sooo...... I strongly recommend the Danger Den variety.
 
Xylo said:
1) Still can't find any reviews for the AquaGrati.. :( I don't mind Babelfish'ing a German one, even.
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Ask Shoggy :)


Interesting...never heard of LICS though...anyone know anything about them? (Or specifically this product?)
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Hadn't heard of that company, but Germany is a real hot bed of watercooling companies. I think American companies ought to be paying attention to this fact as sooner or later they will be here in force...after they have had a falling out of the best designs in the sandbox. ;)
 
bubblethumper said:
I've had the X800 cooler from Innovatek and the Maze4 from DangerDen.

The Maze4 has kept my temps around 40C with clocks up to 660 and high voltage.

My temps with the Innovatek were all around 50C. Sooo...... I strongly recommend the Danger Den variety.
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Same day, same ambient temp, and all equipment the same?
 
Top Nurse said:
Same day, same ambient temp, and all equipment the same?
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I'm experiencing:

under full load 3D gaming:
GPU: 39C (max) Maze-4 Acetal
CPU: 42C (max) TDX

I like the maze-4 because I can throw it on something else later on.
 
fore1337 said:
I'm experiencing:

under full load 3D gaming:
GPU: 39C (max) Maze-4 Acetal
CPU: 42C (max) TDX

I like the maze-4 because I can throw it on something else later on.
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I like my Aqua Computer TwinPlex's for the same reason. :D

But at what ambient (room) temp were those figures from. Actually it is kind of pointless to compare temps if you are generating those numbers with your MB or GPU hardware sensors as the tolerance is such that 39C on your box and 46C on my box could in fact be the exact same temps.
 
Top Nurse said:
Same day, same ambient temp, and all equipment the same?
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Not same day, but same conditions (i.e. air conditioned room at 72F). GPU sensor in all cases

~40C Load:
Maze4 on Voltmodded X800Pro w/.5" diameter tubing on Liang DDC-12V pump + Black Ice Extreme Dual 120mm fan rad
Maze4 on Voltmodded X800XTPE w/.5" diameter tubing on Liang DDC-12v pump + Black Ice Extreme Dual 120mm fan rad
Maze4 on Voltmodded X800Pro w/.375" diameter tubing on Liang DDC-12v pump + Black Ice Extreme Single 120mm fan rad​

~50C Load:
Innovatek X800 Cooler on Voltmodded X800Pro w/.375" tubing on Liang DDC-12v pump + Black Ice Extreme Dual 120mm fan rad
Innovatek X800 Cooler on Voltmodded X800Pro w/8mm tubing on Koolance Exos​
 
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