x700 pricing and performance hints

[rancor]

http://www.clubic.com/n/n13751.html

Quid of the prices of Radeon X700XT and X700 Pro Published the 26/08/2004 per Vincent ATI Chip logoLe site HKEPC published a document which reveals some details on the prices of next graphic solutions ATI. Apparently, the new charts Radeon X700XT will be sold to the neighbourhoods of 299 - 249$ (250 - 205 euros HT). A entry version of range Radeon X700 Pro sold 199$ (150 euros HT) would be also envisaged, its specifications are not yet known. For recall, the X700XT would have should offer performances 3d ranging between those offered by Radeon X800 and those d'un Radeon X600. For recall, the X700XT will have eight pixels pipelines, that is to say the double of current Radeon 9600 & X600. The frequencies of operation of the charts will be higher than 400 MHz, and after the tests carried out on the first prototypes, the X700XT would reach the 7000 points under 3DMark 2003. The X700XT will be launched on September 15, it will come to compete with GeForce 6600.

Site is in French translation up above.

so the x700's are going to range from 200-300 bucks two version, and they won't perform as good as the nv43 (6600 plain and 6600 GT which cost 100-200 bucks)

 

[Arseface]

So - a PCI 9800xt more or less?

Looks reasonable. I hope that r500 comes out at the next graphics refresh - I want to see new stuff !

 

[rancor]

So - a PCI 9800xt more or less?

Looks reasonable. I hope that r500 comes out at the next graphics refresh - I want to see new stuff !

pretty much but if what they are saying is true thats not good for ATi.... they really need something a bit cheaper and a bit faster to compete with nV and this is where they will get most of thier sales :/

Oh yeah the cards have a 128 bit memory interface so not exactly like the 9800xt

 

[swatX]

pretty much but if what they are saying is true thats not good for ATi.... they really need something a bit cheaper and a bit faster to compete with nV and this is where they will get most of thier sales :/

Oh yeah the cards have a 128 bit memory interface so not exactly like the 9800xt

also i believe that r420 and r500 are just an extension of r300/r350 Ati will make new architecture for r600 i think.

 

[rancor]

also i believe that r420 and r500 are just an extension of r300/r350 Ati will make new architecture for r600 i think.

well its not just the architecture, they need a better speed/price ratio, nV is beating them this round in every catagory except the hightest end cards where you can't find an xt pe if your life depended on it.

 

[ZenOps]

Too early to call a winner in the X700 vs 6600 race, if that is indeed the proper race.

The X600 has already won this round, it has no competition from Nvidia, other than the AGP and PCIE bridged 5700/5750 which never really saw the light of day. Nvidia didn't show up for the X600 fight, not many people talked about it, as there was nothing to compare.

ATi was awfully quiet about the X600, perhaps they are planning on retiring it early or maybe pushing for use in laptops... The latter seems more likely to me as I've already seen the specs for the Acer Aspire 1800 (17 inch / 915chipset / X600)

 

[galapogos]

Well, it looks like the 9800 mobile part, which is also based on the X800 core but with 8 pixel pipelines, 4 vertex pipelines and 256bit memory bus. Those performed in between a 9700Pro and a 9800Pro in most cases, and were clocked <400MHz IIRC. With a higher clock and 2 extra vertex pipelines, 7000 3DMark03 doesn't seem too far fetched.

 

[rancor]

they should be able to clock the x700 alot more then 400mhz if the 6600 is getting up to 500......

 

[Bad_Boy]

The X600 has already won this round, it has no competition from Nvidia

GeForce 6600/6800GT?

 

[Merlin45]

6 vertex pipes seems rather far fetched to me, because if this part ships at 500mhz as we suspect for the xt version, they will have a ~$200 mid range card with more vertex processing power than their $400 x800pro. If this is true and ATI can get their act together on openGL this card could become very popular in proffesional 3d applications (where vertex processing speed is very important) I expect the x700 to ship with 5 vertex pipes at the most, plus apps are hardly vertex limited anyways, so it makes even less sense to have 6 vertex pipes when you only have 8 pixel pipes.

 

[^eMpTy^]

So - a PCI 9800xt more or less?

Looks reasonable. I hope that r500 comes out at the next graphics refresh - I want to see new stuff !

r500 isn't due out till next summer-ish...and it'll probably look a lot like an nv40...PS3 etc...

 

[^eMpTy^]

6 vertex pipes seems rather far fetched to me, because if this part ships at 500mhz as we suspect for the xt version, they will have a ~$200 mid range card with more vertex processing power than their $400 x800pro. If this is true and ATI can get their act together on openGL this card could become very popular in proffesional 3d applications (where vertex processing speed is very important) I expect the x700 to ship with 5 vertex pipes at the most, plus apps are hardly vertex limited anyways, so it makes even less sense to have 6 vertex pipes when you only have 8 pixel pipes.

I don't understand the whole 6 vertex engines either...and I think the card is going to be $300...so I think this is intended to compete with the 6800NU...but who knows

 

[ZenOps]

Nvidia is already late... I don't think anyone will try to compare an X600 to a 6800 non-ultra (they are completely different classes of chips) There is also no doubt the X600 beats up a 5700.

By the time Nvidia launches their 6600, which I'm assuming was at one time originally meant to go head to head with the X600 (and beat it into the ground, if the paper specs are any indicator) Ati will have their X700 out.

It's not doing Nvidia much good to say that the 6600 is 2.5x faster than an X600 in Doom 3 (the current advertising) as the X600 is pretty well already on the cusp of its doubled pipeline refresh the X700. Once again, ATi will probably wait as long as they can before releasing the X700 (to give maximum time for the excellent 9700/9800 and overpriced/short supply X800 to sell) waiting maybe a week after the official 6600 launch.

 

[galapogos]

Well, the X600 is just a rehash of the 9600XT, which was a rehash of the 9600Pro, so if nvidia wanted it could repackage a 5700U and call it a 6500 or something. I guess it doesn't really need to. What good is a X600 when a 9600XT performs about the same? AFAIK they're almost identical other than clockspeeds. ATI is doing their famous renaming stunt again, much like the 9100/8500 and the 9200/9000 debacle. Besides, the 5900XT is more than enough competition for the X600 in the <$200 market segment.

 

[^eMpTy^]

Nvidia is already late... I don't think anyone will try to compare an X600 to a 6800 non-ultra (they are completely different classes of chips) There is also no doubt the X600 beats up a 5700.

By the time Nvidia launches their 6600, which I'm assuming was at one time originally meant to go head to head with the X600 (and beat it into the ground, if the paper specs are any indicator) Ati will have their X700 out.

It's not doing Nvidia much good to say that the 6600 is 2.5x faster than an X600 in Doom 3 (the current advertising) as the X600 is pretty well already on the cusp of its doubled pipeline refresh the X700. Once again, ATi will probably wait as long as they can before releasing the X700 (to give maximum time for the excellent 9700/9800 to sell) waiting maybe a week after the official 6600 launch.

The 6600GT is 500Mhz/1Ghz...and the x700 is about that...given the per-clock performance of the x800s and the 6800s...I'm guessing the 6600GT will be a touch faster...but the 6 vertex engine thing kinda throws it...so it should be a good matchup...

 

[Merlin45]

I don't understand the whole 6 vertex engines either...and I think the card is going to be $300...so I think this is intended to compete with the 6800NU...but who knows

even if it goes against the 6800NU, the vertex pipes are overkill:
6800NU, 5pipe x 325mhz = 1625 Mverts/second
x700, 6pipe x 500mhz = 3000 Mverts/second
6600gt 3pipe x 500mhz = 1500 Mverts/second
none of these cards are vertex bound, 6 vertex pipes seems like overkill and a waste of die space on a mainstream card, where die space is at a premium. If it is 6 pipes I expect we will se a fireGL card based on this VPU.

 

[Merlin45]

Well, the X600 is just a rehash of the 9600XT, which was a rehash of the 9600Pro, so if nvidia wanted it could repackage a 5700U and call it a 6500 or something. I guess it doesn't really need to. What good is a X600 when a 9600XT performs about the same? AFAIK they're almost identical other than clockspeeds. ATI is doing their famous renaming stunt again, much like the 9100/8500 and the 9200/9000 debacle. Besides, the 5900XT is more than enough competition for the X600 in the <$200 market segment.

the X600xt is a PCI-e 9600xt and no one has ever masqueraded it as anything else. it has a different name because it is a (slighty) different chip.

 

[onetwo]

You can't even buy a retail X600. If you're talking strictly OEM, the $199 6800LE trounces it.

For $250-300 as the article states, the X700XT isn't that good of a deal. The 6600GT is faster at a lower price.

 

[^eMpTy^]

You can't even buy a retail X600. If you're talking strictly OEM, the $199 6800LE trounces it.

For $250-300 as the article states, the X700XT isn't that good of a deal. The 6600GT is faster at a lower price.

Information on the x700 seems to conflict...I've seen several places that it will be $300...but I've also seen several places that it will directly compete with the 6600GT...which is $200...