X1800 vs. 7800

theseeker said:
I was about to buy 2 7800 GTX's to replace my 2 6800 Ultras and I came upon a review,http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/games-2005_9.html
and since I play COD2 and BIA2, I am reconsidering ATI. Any thoughts?
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I would say get the X1800XT, you can get it for $489 at Newegg, the 2 GTX's are gonna cost you close to if not more than $1000 after taxes and shipping costs. If you want SLi setup the get 2 7800GT's like I have they will run you about $600. :p
 
X1800's seem technologically superior, but the 7800's are unmatched in brute power.

I'd say go with whichever is cheaper, they're both so close in performance it won't matter too much.
 
You will get a better warranty, better motherboard, and better performance in a broad range of games with SLI over Crossfire and you can save a buck or 2. SLI 7800GT's for $600 is the best bang for the buck dual card solution.
 
YmkFX said:
X1800's seem technologically superior, but the 7800's are unmatched in brute power.

I'd say go with whichever is cheaper, they're both so close in performance it won't matter too much.
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How?
What "technology" advantage does it have, other than HDR+AA
 
PRIME1 said:
You will get a better warranty, better motherboard, and better performance in a broad range of games with SLI over Crossfire and you can save a buck or 2. SLI 7800GT's for $600 is the best bang for the buck dual card solution.
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Thanks for your reply. I am on the fence at this point. Obviously, the CrossFire MB's are unstable, but even though I own Nvidia, I have always preferred ATI for the visual and performance. In the case of warranty, I really do not take that into account as I rebuild my system every 6-8 months. What I like about the potential of CF is that "supposedly" you do not have to replace both of the video cards at the same time to upgrade.
Nvidia has owned the market for quite a while, but I have a strong feeling that ATI will come back in a strong way.
 
Yeah, maybe the X1900 CrossFire will kick ass. If you don't need a system now and can wait, I would.

However, you make a good point. CrossFire motherboards are just not there yet. I just built my rig, so I'm not going to worry about CrossFire until late next year for my Vista build.

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theseeker said:
Thanks for your reply. I am on the fence at this point. Obviously, the CrossFire MB's are unstable, but even though I own Nvidia, I have always preferred ATI for the visual and performance. In the case of warranty, I really do not take that into account as I rebuild my system every 6-8 months. What I like about the potential of CF is that "supposedly" you do not have to replace both of the video cards at the same time to upgrade.
Nvidia has owned the market for quite a while, but I have a strong feeling that ATI will come back in a strong way.
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For a single card solution you can't beat the X1800XT at $489, that is what I would do if I wanted a single card setup. Good Luck!!
 
chinesepiratefood said:
How?
What "technology" advantage does it have, other than HDR+AA
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I've been an nVidia guy for my last 3 cards and it would be nice to not have to choose between HDR or AA. If I had PCIe, I probably would have gone for ATI this round (as I should've when 9x000 and the FX series were SotA).
 
Id go with the dual 7800gtx's if you want the most powerful setup on the market that will last you a long time.

However if you want a damn powerful card thats a bit cheaper just go with the ATi.

If you can afford it, dual GTX's all the way :)
 
J-M-E said:
Id go with the dual 7800gtx's if you want the most powerful setup on the market that will last you a long time.

However if you want a damn powerful card thats a bit cheaper just go with the ATi.

If you can afford it, dual GTX's all the way :)
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If youre talking about the 7800gtx 512MB version than the x1800xt is not "a bit cheaper". Its ~ 50% cheaper and you cant even find 7800gtx 512mb instock to buy. ($750 vs. as low as $500)

If your talking about the 7800gtx 256mb, the x1800xt is faster and has more features for ~10-20% more money. I really like crossfire 8xAA preformance.

I think ATi has some work to do with Crossfire, but its coming long nicely. The Asus crossfire mobo looks stable and fast and crossfire seems to match SLI on the preformance side.

That said, if youre buying dual video cards you might want to wait one more generation to jump on crossfire until they perfect it some more. As a single card the x1800xt looks great. x1900xt is coming and crossfire will be more mature by then.
 
I would purchase 2 7800gts they are basically just as fast as 2 7800gtx in sli cost is about 600.00 bucks and will put a single 1800xt to shame.
 
7800gt put X1800 to shame? I ran a single for a few weeks and scored an easy 10k with barely any overclocking. When I got two X1800s in crossfire, I scored an easy 15k bone stock just slapping the card in. I'm not sure where people get the info that the crossfire motherboards are unstable, I am using the RDX200 and I can see where you can have a tough time setting it up, but once up, it's smooth sailing. I had a tough time coming from the Intel camp and see'ing all those pages and pages of mem timings.. Ugh.. :confused: .. With the help of OCZ though, I found my way without that much trouble. The DFI board is prob the most finicky of the bunch, but works when setup correctly.

this is my score with BONE stock cards no water cooling no overdrive utility, just plug in and run a benchie..

3dmark05 score
 
nice score :)

just keep your 6800ultras or buy 1 x1800xt and then wait for dx10 + vista...youll be fine until then
 
Doomeous said:
7800gt put X1800 to shame? I ran a single for a few weeks and scored an easy 10k with barely any overclocking. When I got two X1800s in crossfire, I scored an easy 15k bone stock just slapping the card in. I'm not sure where people get the info that the crossfire motherboards are unstable, I am using the RDX200 and I can see where you can have a tough time setting it up, but once up, it's smooth sailing. I had a tough time coming from the Intel camp and see'ing all those pages and pages of mem timings.. Ugh.. :confused: .. With the help of OCZ though, I found my way without that much trouble. The DFI board is prob the most finicky of the bunch, but works when setup correctly.

this is my score with BONE stock cards no water cooling no overdrive utility, just plug in and run a benchie..

3dmark05 score
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Nice score, but I thought we were talking about real world apps. Of course the poster above you was comparing 2 GTs to 1 XT, so I will give your rebuttal partial credit.
 
dang............xl and gtx are the same in pure speed. but once AA and AF ar eon the xl does really bad....half of XT. owell i still want the xl and overclocked. im playing cod2 on the x800 xt and as u can see from the x850xtpe results its not so pretty.something in the newergeneration that must help it alot.
 
7800GT SLI is currently the best value in high-end graphics [if there ever IS a value in high-end graphics]. If you get an X1800XT, you could also get the BIOS flash that boosts it up to 700/800 clocks. At a guess, I would say it will perform comparably to an SLI 7800GT setup. Maybe a tad slower. But it'll be cheaper.

I have an XT and am going to do the BIOS flash later tonight. People have been able to break 10K on 3dMark05 with the flash, but a 7800GT SLI setup scores something like 11K. So it's a tad slower in 3dMark, but who really cares about that anyway. If you have the money, go with an SLI 7800GT setup.
 
Bona Fide said:
7800GT SLI is currently the best value in high-end graphics [if there ever IS a value in high-end graphics]. If you get an X1800XT, you could also get the BIOS flash that boosts it up to 700/800 clocks. At a guess, I would say it will perform comparably to an SLI 7800GT setup. Maybe a tad slower. But it'll be cheaper.

I have an XT and am going to do the BIOS flash later tonight. People have been able to break 10K on 3dMark05 with the flash, but a 7800GT SLI setup scores something like 11K. So it's a tad slower in 3dMark, but who really cares about that anyway. If you have the money, go with an SLI 7800GT setup.
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But the 1800XT can be had for $489, the 7800GT SLI setup will be around $700 with the mobo. Quite a price difference there for a modest speed increase.
 
Thanks for all of the replies. A friend of mine brought over a 7800 gtx 256 to do some comparison testing and we saw some interesting results. In COD2 the 6800 ultras in SLI provide better eye candy, but in AOE3 the 7800 crushed it hands down. Then we tried BIA2 and we did not see much difference, then we ran MOH Pacific and the 7800 smoked the 6800's in SLI. Unfortunately, I don't know any one that has the new Radeon.
Still pondering my next move.
 
theseeker said:
Thanks for all of the replies. A friend of mine brought over a 7800 gtx 256 to do some comparison testing and we saw some interesting results. In COD2 the 6800 ultras in SLI provide better eye candy, but in AOE3 the 7800 crushed it hands down. Then we tried BIA2 and we did not see much difference, then we ran MOH Pacific and the 7800 smoked the 6800's in SLI. Unfortunately, I don't know any one that has the new Radeon.
Still pondering my next move.
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I had a 7800GT for a few months before selling it to a friend and buying the X1800XT. Let me tell you, it's not a night-day difference, but it's more than noticeable. I have a 19" LCD, so I'm limited to 1280x1024. But with the GT, I could play COD2 at 12x10 with only 2xAA and 2xAF. With the XT I can play with 4xAA and 8xAF and still stay above 40fps easily. I haven't tried AOE or BIA2, but COD2 is one of the more graphically demanding games and the XT can definitely take care of business.
 
Bona Fide said:
I had a 7800GT for a few months before selling it to a friend and buying the X1800XT. Let me tell you, it's not a night-day difference, but it's more than noticeable. I have a 19" LCD, so I'm limited to 1280x1024. But with the GT, I could play COD2 at 12x10 with only 2xAA and 2xAF. With the XT I can play with 4xAA and 8xAF and still stay above 40fps easily. I haven't tried AOE or BIA2, but COD2 is one of the more graphically demanding games and the XT can definitely take care of business.
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I am currently playing my games in 1920 x 1200, which is why I am leaning towards the Nvidia SLI configuration as COD2 can take advantage of SLI. I just wish I could get 2 X1800 in SLI.
 
theseeker said:
I am currently playing my games in 1920 x 1200, which is why I am leaning towards the Nvidia SLI configuration as COD2 can take advantage of SLI. I just wish I could get 2 X1800 in SLI.
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Crossfire? ;)
 
theseeker said:
Good answer, but I dont want to change my MB until I see better stability with the Xfire MB's.
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Fair enough. The A8R-MVP looks like a solid performer, without the sacrifice of instability.
 
Bona Fide said:
Fair enough. The A8R-MVP looks like a solid performer, without the sacrifice of instability.
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That MB looks good, but I still need to see conclusive results in order to change from Nvidia to Ati. After all, that is a wholesale change.
 
killerD said:
But the 1800XT can be had for $489, the 7800GT SLI setup will be around $700 with the mobo. Quite a price difference there for a modest speed increase.
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7800gt's are hitting sub 300

You can still get the EVGA 7800gt + mobo for 329. Buy two, Sell both mobos. and it ends up costing under 500 for both
 
Once again, it is not about the $$, it is about the performance gain. I have gathered much info on the topic and from what I ascertained, the most I can hope for is about a 17-20% gain by ditching the 6800's and buying 2 7800 GTX's. I am still not sure if it is worth it, PC's and 3DMark may recognize fps, but can the human eye?
 
theseeker said:
Once again, it is not about the $$, it is about the performance gain. I have gathered much info on the topic and from what I ascertained, the most I can hope for is about a 17-20% gain by ditching the 6800's and buying 2 7800 GTX's. I am still not sure if it is worth it, PC's and 3DMark may recognize fps, but can the human eye?
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The human eye renders the world at 24fps. Anything slower and you'll notice the stutter. Anything faster, and it won't really matter. I like to make sure my fps are consistently above 50, so they have some room to fall in a graphically-intense situation.
 
Bona Fide said:
The human eye renders the world at 24fps. Anything slower and you'll notice the stutter. Anything faster, and it won't really matter. I like to make sure my fps are consistently above 50, so they have some room to fall in a graphically-intense situation.
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That was the point by my previous comment, as stated in economics, dimishing returns.
In the words of Elton John, where to now St. Peter? Maybe I should just stay with what I have and wait for the net gen of video cards? Fortunately, I will not have to wait long!
 
Bona Fide said:
The human eye renders the world at 24fps. Anything slower and you'll notice the stutter. Anything faster, and it won't really matter. I like to make sure my fps are consistently above 50, so they have some room to fall in a graphically-intense situation.
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Then how come I can tell the difference between 100 fps and 30 on CS :confused:
 
i dont think its the human eye that has hte problem..........its the slow down when ur trying to shoot or run away from being shot at..........in a game.
 
I sold the 6800's and bought a pair of ASUS TOP 7800 GTX's, words cannot express my satisfaction!
 
lozaning said:
congrats, hope you have a lot of fun
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Thanks, I am. The temps are about 6 degrees lower than the 6800's registered.
The eye candy factor is unreal, I am seeing things that I never saw before. However, that could be attributed to the Scotch! In any event, I am quite happy with the results.
 
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