Windows Gets a 'Mini-Me'

Rich Tate

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C|Net has some initial information about the next version of Windows and it’s slimmer, more efficient kernel.

However, Microsoft has posted a video of a recent university lecture given by Distinguished Engineer Eric Traut in which he talks about, among other things, a new, slimmed down kernel known as MinWin that was created as part of the Windows 7 development process.
 
has hell frozen over? MS actually trying to improve their software instead of adding useless features and dummy warnings for idiots? why aren't they spending their time adding pretty graphics that are oh so important? whats going on here?
 
It sounds like this "MinWin" is still based around the same core code.

I seem to recall a few of years back, somewhere in the early days of Vista, a very low key revelation that MS had actually started a semi-experimental/Proof of concept side project to build a whole new OS core from scratch, with a just a small team of coders working completely outside the windows development infrastructure, which didn't reference or derive from any previous windows code at all.

They said at the time that it would be many years before it would ever become a retail product, if it ever did, certainly a couple of more Windows down the line, and I'm pretty sure "MinWin" is not it, but it sounded really interesting at the time, and I'm really curious as to how that's going, if it is still going. The project had a codename, possibly "Blue *something*" , but I can't remember what it was :(
 
It might have been "Singularity" I was thinking of, but it might not have been, I seem to recall the scope being a little more commercial, and a little less academic.
 
Singularity project

Looks like you were right the first time, but doesn't look like the MinWin.

Yeah, there's a good chance that it was singularity that I was thinking of, but I still have a feeling that it was something more imminently practical and less experimental.

Still, singularity is a cool project :)
 
Wasn't this the plan with Vista?

No Vista was always going to based on the same legacy codebase/kernel as XP/2k/NT/etc, but it was meant to have a bunch of managed code above Kernel level, it got ditched though.

Despite the small size, "MinWin" is the same derivative code that has been added to and futzed around with since windows was 8-bit.

It is however promising that MS have stripped it back that far, hopefully for the next OS the will do a real code clean up and re-write, instead of re-heating and re-writing existing stuff and hanging a few new bits off the old skeleton. :p
 
What is this author doing comparing the size of the core kernel of one OS at 25MB to an entire OS install at 4GB in another? Vista's core kernel is not 4GB, which is what this makes it sound like...
 
MS would be better off at the moment trying to optimize the kernel for vista instead of trying to write a new one...
 
Money quote from the computerworld article:

<i>The microkernel will be used only internally and won't, as Traut put it, be "productized." Instead, it will be the basis of all upcoming versions of Windows, including the next-generation edition now saddled with the code name Windows 7.</i>

Folks, you will not be seeing this small, optimized kernel. End of line.
 
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