Widegamut monitors...

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sblantipodi

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Hi,
I want to use wide gamut only when using photoshop and bleder/maya/3dstudio,
is it possible to use standard RGB outside this program with all wide gamut monitors?

I will buy two monitors in two months or so.
I will buy an Eizo Foris FX2431 S-PVA
and an HP 2475W H-IPS.

How can I be sure that both monitors support standard sRGB mode (without the needs of configuring sRGB by myself) to avoid wide gamut oversaturated problem when using web or rgb program?

I want that both monitor let me choose when in WideGamut and when in sRGB in really few click, is this possible with both monitors?

Thanks.
 
... the NEC PA 241 does this with color space emulation.

You've started a long thread here with some very in depth answers given...i' d suggest you read them again.

But since your use is programming and some Photoshop & 3D, I'd suggest dump the wide gamut thing, its more of a problem than helps.
For true 30bit work you need an application that supports it (not PS nor most 3d apps) a gpu that outputs 30bit through display port (Fire GL, Quadros) and a 10 bit panel with display port...
No printer or 95% of monitors will see what you see, so what the point?

Get an SRGB 2490 or go cheap ZR24W and be done.
The Foris has inputs but is slow and has narrow viewing angles. Want deep blacks, get an EV233..
 
drtc said:
... the NEC PA 241 does this with color space emulation.

You've started a long thread here with some very in depth answers given...i' d suggest you read them again.

But since your use is programming and some Photoshop & 3D, I'd suggest dump the wide gamut thing, its more of a problem than helps.
For true 30bit work you need an application that supports it (not PS nor most 3d apps) a gpu that outputs 30bit through display port (Fire GL, Quadros) and a 10 bit panel with display port...
No printer or 95% of monitors will see what you see, so what the point?

Get an SRGB 2490 or go cheap ZR24W and be done.
The Foris has inputs but is slow and has narrow viewing angles. Want deep blacks, get an EV233..
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thanks for your suggestion but you don't answered my answer.
I haven't asked what monitor to choose here or what is the best for me, I have asked a precise answer.

Thanks.
 
you don't answered my answer.
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read my first sentence. High end monitors latest CG and PA series can emulate colorspaces quickly without fiddling all the rest. They even split screen with different colorspace.
is it possible to use standard RGB outside this program with all wide gamut monitors?
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not unless you manually change the icc profile and monitor settings each time. even then it will not work properly as most WG monitors do not emulate SRGB properly if at all (HP2475 in front of me does not) Dell 2711 Does have a good SRGB preset. Read the reviews and look at the CIE charts in SRGB both at Prad ,TFT and flatpanels.
 
drtc said:
read my first sentence. High end monitors latest CG and PA series can emulate colorspaces quickly without fiddling all the rest. They even split screen with different colorspace.
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yes but this monitors are out of my interest. :)

drtc said:
not unless you manually change the icc profile and monitor settings each time. even then it will not work properly as most WG monitors do not emulate SRGB properly if at all (HP2475 in front of me does not) Dell 2711 Does have a good SRGB preset. Read the reviews and look at the CIE charts in SRGB both at Prad ,TFT and flatpanels.
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reading reviews I noticed that HP2475W isn't really good in sRGB preset.
Is there some article that talks about Eizo Foris FX2431 sRGB preset?

Thanks.
 
Can someone please explain the difference between a wide gamut display versus a typical display?
 
sblantipodi said:
An interesting reading:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/monitors/display/samsung-sm-xl24-xl30_2.html#sect0
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However to expand upon that a bit it should be noted that wide gamut monitors go for as wide a gamut as they can with whatever technology they are using. They try to cover as much of the colour space as possible which in practice is usually a bit more than AdobeRGB these days.

Non wide gamut monitors aim to be roughly around sRGB, but that doesn't mean they do a good job. There is a misconception from many people that standard gamut monitors are all the same, and/or that they are all dead on the sRGB primaries. Not the case. Laptops, in particular, are often really bad. My laptop (MSI GX 640) has pretty pathetic coverage, like 64% of sRGB if memory serves correct.

Also while sRGB is a standard, in so far as most CRT monitors were close to it, and almost none ever exceeded it, it isn't a real standard like, say, x86 that people actually develop for. So using a standard gamut monitor doesn't get you things that look "right" or anything like that.

It mostly comes down to preference. With a wide gamut monitor, things will look more saturated. Some people like this, I do, to an extent though if they get too wide gamut it can be too much. With a standard gamut monitor, things are more subdued. With one like my laptop that misses it by a lot, they can be not all that saturated.

Finally, the most accurate sRGB comes from wide gamut monitors that you can calibrate the gamut down on. There are very few out there, only the high end NEC and Eizo, but they do exist. They can get a better matching than anything less on the market pretty much.

For now, it is just up to what you want. Maybe some time later we'll have some real standards in this and apps will all be calibrated, but right now you decide what looks good to you and go with it.
 
Sycraft said:
However to expand upon that a bit it should be noted that wide gamut monitors go for as wide a gamut as they can with whatever technology they are using. They try to cover as much of the colour space as possible which in practice is usually a bit more than AdobeRGB these days.

Non wide gamut monitors aim to be roughly around sRGB, but that doesn't mean they do a good job. There is a misconception from many people that standard gamut monitors are all the same, and/or that they are all dead on the sRGB primaries. Not the case. Laptops, in particular, are often really bad. My laptop (MSI GX 640) has pretty pathetic coverage, like 64% of sRGB if memory serves correct.

Also while sRGB is a standard, in so far as most CRT monitors were close to it, and almost none ever exceeded it, it isn't a real standard like, say, x86 that people actually develop for. So using a standard gamut monitor doesn't get you things that look "right" or anything like that.

It mostly comes down to preference. With a wide gamut monitor, things will look more saturated. Some people like this, I do, to an extent though if they get too wide gamut it can be too much. With a standard gamut monitor, things are more subdued. With one like my laptop that misses it by a lot, they can be not all that saturated.

Finally, the most accurate sRGB comes from wide gamut monitors that you can calibrate the gamut down on. There are very few out there, only the high end NEC and Eizo, but they do exist. They can get a better matching than anything less on the market pretty much.

For now, it is just up to what you want. Maybe some time later we'll have some real standards in this and apps will all be calibrated, but right now you decide what looks good to you and go with it.
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thanks for your interesting answer.
I read that LP2475 from HP got a sRGB emulation but it isn't so good, is there something like that also on Eizo Foris FX2431?
It should have it but I want to be sure.
 
What about Firefox for web browsing? It has support for ICC profiles. But I don't really know if it works that well... Maybe it only affectes images which are tagged to begin with, and those are extremely rare

Hmm, but I believe untagged images are considered sRGB.

Some one?
 
Jonte said:
What about Firefox for web browsing? It has support for ICC profiles. But I don't really know if it works that well... Maybe it only affectes images which are tagged to begin with, and those are extremely rare

Hmm, but I believe untagged images are considered sRGB.

Some one?
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Yes firefox support ICC but it support it only for images that specify the color space used.
My problem isn't in switching color space preset from wide gamut one to a better compliant sRGB, my problem is that if it is possible to achieve a good sRGB compliant color space without colorimeter by setting up some preset.
 
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