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What is a cluster???

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Hey there...I was wondering...I THINK I know what a cluster is but I don't wanna sound more of an idiot by saying it wrong so just tell me...and how would one go about making one? I've googled it but too much unrelated stuff comes up...THANX
C'YA ?:-D

P.S.: I remember seeing this on TechTV some time ago but I don't know what show or episode or what
 
Google worked quite nicely for me. This was number 6 on the first page.
 
If you read his post you would clearly see that he said he already used google.
 
Originally posted by 133
If you read his post you would clearly see that he said he already used google.
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If you read my post I said I found it quite easily using google.
 
Originally posted by emorphien
I don't believe he even knows the website URL for google.
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That's why I typed it out for him. One thing to learn on these forums. When someone asks a question that is easily solved by google....and they mention they used google. It's either a lie, or they are beyond computer illiteracy.
 
Originally posted by djnes
That's why I typed it out for him. One thing to learn on these forums. When someone asks a question that is easily solved by google....and they mention they used google. It's either a lie, or they are beyond computer illiteracy.
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Indeed, but of course Metal_head here has proven to this forum repeatedly that he's not the brightest star in the sky.
 
it could be quite possible to just ANSWER the question...


a cluster is a group of computers that are used together to perform a common task.

for example: Computation. See SETI@Home, folding@home, that prime number business... etc.

There are also fail-over clusters. Basically, if one system dies, another system in the fail-over cluster will take over in a matter of a few seconds. Completely transparent to the end users, and nearly transparent network wise (IP address, MAC Address, etc)

Then you have load balancing clusters. Basically, these machines have whatever loads they are working on spread out onto multiple machines. Take a HUGE website for example. Imagine if 1 webserver had to handle ALL of Microsoft.com's traffic. It would literally die a flaming death. So, they load balance it. When one machine reaches it's load limit, all further requests are sent to another machine (Or randomly chosen initially, so everything is even)


Then you have the infamous beowulf cluster. See slashdot for those.
 
Originally posted by emorphien
Indeed, but of course Metal_head here has proven to this forum repeatedly that he's not the brightest star in the sky.
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so...sigged :D
 
Originally posted by KaosDG
it could be quite possible to just ANSWER the question...


a cluster is a group of computers that are used together to perform a common task.

for example: Computation. See SETI@Home, folding@home, that prime number business... etc.

There are also fail-over clusters. Basically, if one system dies, another system in the fail-over cluster will take over in a matter of a few seconds. Completely transparent to the end users, and nearly transparent network wise (IP address, MAC Address, etc)

Then you have load balancing clusters. Basically, these machines have whatever loads they are working on spread out onto multiple machines. Take a HUGE website for example. Imagine if 1 webserver had to handle ALL of Microsoft.com's traffic. It would literally die a flaming death. So, they load balance it. When one machine reaches it's load limit, all further requests are sent to another machine (Or randomly chosen initially, so everything is even)


Then you have the infamous beowulf cluster. See slashdot for those.
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Thanks for an informative reply, KaosDG. A nice summary.

And to the rest:
Even if this particular individual (Metallica_Band) is terribly annoying to you, remember that others read these threads too. This thread and others like it give the impression that the [H] forums are filled with condesending pricks, and dissuades new people from participating.
 
Originally posted by KaosDG
it could be quite possible to just ANSWER the question...


a cluster is a group of computers that are used together to perform a common task.
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Bah. Didn't even think about that. I guess that seemed too obvious to me. I figured he was talking about disk clusters.
 
Originally posted by jpmkm
Bah. Didn't even think about that. I guess that seemed too obvious to me. I figured he was talking about disk clusters.
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i thought he was talking about some kind of breakfast cereal...its hard to answer a question when he asks such a generic term. no wonder he couldnt find it on google, he probabily got 10,000,000,000,000,000 results
 
It's not that we are making a bad impression for other users. It's the fact that SEVERAL times a day, EVERY day, Metallica_Band_Napster_Fans creates a post asking the meaning of some simple, singular term. Something he could go to google and answer himself, without asking others to do his ass-wiping. This is not a computer newbie AOL forums where people come to ask questions like, what is a monitor, etc. This is an advanced computing forum with a reputation around the web as having the best and the brightest of the DIY'ers crowd.
 
Originally posted by djnes
It's not that we are making a bad impression for other users. It's the fact that SEVERAL times a day, EVERY day, Metallica_Band_Napster_Fans creates a post asking the meaning of some simple, singular term. Something he could go to google and answer himself, without asking others to do his ass-wiping. This is not a computer newbie AOL forums where people come to ask questions like, what is a monitor, etc. This is an advanced computing forum with a reputation around the web as having the best and the brightest of the DIY'ers crowd.
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So ignore him. Hell, there's even an ignore feature that will do it automagically for you. Frankly, I rarely even notice the "[H] attitude", but my g/f was reading this thread over my shoulder and commented on how the [H] forum has gone downhill (she used to hang out in the sex forum when it was around, and no I did not meet her there ;) ).

Agreed that this is a place with a lot of DIY knowledge to offer. Also agreed that some people take advantage of this ("Please do my homework for me!" posts). But reading this thread would make any noob nervous about asking questions here.
 
Originally posted by djnes
It's not that we are making a bad impression for other users. It's the fact that SEVERAL times a day, EVERY day, Metallica_Band_Napster_Fans creates a post asking the meaning of some simple, singular term. Something he could go to google and answer himself, without asking others to do his ass-wiping. This is not a computer newbie AOL forums where people come to ask questions like, what is a monitor, etc. This is an advanced computing forum with a reputation around the web as having the best and the brightest of the DIY'ers crowd.
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and a cluster is a simple thing? not really...

Imagine how the Apple forum feels... he's in there daily asking ridiculous (damn near incomprehensible) stuff. (and the most recent foray could have been simply answered by visiting apples website)

But still, if it's a simple answer, then post it.
Honestly whenever I ask a question (very rarely as of late) I almost expect getting a shit load of Google responses. Most of the time the direct explanation of things and how they work is what people seek, maybe not just a simple "what is it?" answer.

The first part of my answer is typical of a google result... but I actually explained what a cluster does... so in a community sense (which is what this is, right?) you'd get a better answer here than just by searching on google. Not to mention that if Metallica_Band isn't the brightest, how would he understand the more technical results that google is going to throw out?

Seriously though... if this place is full of the best and brightest DIY'ers, then act like it. Right now it just seems like the lot of us can't be bothered with the simple crap anymore.
 
There's time when I feel the same way Kaos... but I know some of us are getting up with Metal_head doing it repeatedly. over. and over. and over. And what's worse is he'll get a straight answer and doesn't even seem to hear it.
 
First off if it's a simple question linking to a google result should be simple enough, that's what I do. This is a forums to ask questions related to computer hardware, no matter how simple they are. Sure this may be an advanced forum, but we shouldn't shun people trying to learn.

And honestly what can't be found in google. I mean if you know how to search, even half assed, you can get the result on the first page or two for nearly ANY QUESTION IN THE WORLD. If you knew everything google linked to your head would explode, so don't expect everyone else to know what google knows.

On the flip side I do see the merits of bashing him for asking simple questions over and over, but still at least be constructive about it. He'll get tired of clicking on google result links and maybe, just maybe he will learn for himself.

Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; you have fed him for a lifetime.
 
Originally posted by Phoenix86

Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; you have fed him for a lifetime.
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True. But you don't teach a man to fish by beating him about the head with the fishing pole.
 
Originally posted by KaosDG
True. But you don't teach a man to fish by beating him about the head with the fishing pole.
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I totally agree. Thats why I said "at least be constructive about it. He'll get tired of clicking on google result links and maybe, just maybe he will learn for himself."

So teach him by example, if he doesn't know how to search he could learn by posting google search results. That way he would see the search, the results, and hopefull be able to do that himself later.

In all fairness he could learn how to pose questions better, given the crowd he's posting to, so -some- of this is warranted. Besides, he was given a correct answer on the third post, before he was berated about google. Of course there are more than one def. of a cluster, so he got the second correct answer in your post...
 
Originally posted by Phoenix86
Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; you have fed him for a lifetime.
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Amen to that. That is the perfect saying. If people get in the habit of doing things for themselves, life gets easier for everyone.
 
The cluster I was thinking about had to do something with "hooking up" 2 or more computers and something about sharing CPU speed or something...I can't quite remember...hard to google something when I can't remember all the details...I'm not even quite sure if the above even DESCRIBES what a cluster mean...could be a whole different word or something...


BTW...The only pppl that actually tried to answer my question was Kaos and Jpmkm (peetabix tried but I got a broken linky:()...so thanx you guys...as for the rest of you who go into threads and start flamming, you should stay out of thread that you don't want to answer...if it's too easy a question for you then answer it or stay away...there is no need for insults and there is no room for ppl that enjoy going around and insulting ppl and his/her questions in this forum...so why don't you ppl (the ones that didn't even attempt to answer my question and just wanted to insult me/myquestion(s) ) just stop posting in this thread...or is my question too hard a question for you to answer???
 
A popular type of cluster is the beowulf cluster. I never understood why people think beowulf clusters are so cool since you usually have to have software written specifically to take advantage of it. Beowulf clusters typically are used for parallel processing applications. Another type of cluster is the mosix cluster, and the open variation of it, openmosix. Mosix clusters can be used as more of a general load-balancing type of cluster. If one computer is busy, then it offloads processes to other computers. There many other clustering technologies and topologies, but these two should get you started. There is also a good linux clustering howto floating around that has a lot of good information.
Originally posted by Metallica_Band
or is my question too hard a question for you to answer???
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It was quite vague and it seemed like such a simple question that we couldn't understand why you couldn't find anything on google. Searching for 'computer cluster' with google brought up several good links. I don't think they meant to be asses; it's just really easy to find this information.
 
Originally posted by Metallica_Band
BTW...The only pppl that actually tried to answer my question was Kaos and Jpmkm (peetabix tried but I got a broken linky:()...so thanx you guys...as for the rest of you who go into threads and start flamming, you should stay out of thread that you don't want to answer...if it's too easy a question for you then answer it or stay away...there is no need for insults and there is no room for ppl that enjoy going around and insulting ppl and his/her questions in this forum...so why don't you ppl (the ones that didn't even attempt to answer my question and just wanted to insult me/myquestion(s) ) just stop posting in this thread...or is my question too hard a question for you to answer???
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It was not a question that was "too easy". It's the fact that you create so many threads asking question that you should be able to answer yourself, with a little work. That's the problem that has so many people ticked....the fact you are too lazy to do anything yourself. Most of the people in the IT world learn on their own....by doing on their own, and researching on their own. Constantly requiring hand holding is a good way to get no where.
 
Originally posted by jpmkm
It was quite vague and it seemed like such a simple question that we couldn't understand why you couldn't find anything on google.
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That is NO EXCUSE to be turds and start flaming...I tried "cluster" "PC cluster" and "beowulf cluster" but either got too much unrelated stuff or I got links about clusters but it got TOO technical...I just tried "computer cluster" and I DID find some websites that helpped...thanx...this forum needs more ppl/posters like you...;)
 
Originally posted by Metallica_Band
...as for the rest of you who go into threads and start flamming, you should stay out of thread that you don't want to answer...if it's too easy a question for you then answer it or stay away...there is no need for insults and there is no room for ppl that enjoy going around and insulting ppl and his/her questions in this forum...so why don't you ppl (the ones that didn't even attempt to answer my question and just wanted to insult me/myquestion(s) ) just stop posting in this thread...or is my question too hard a question for you to answer???
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The closest think in this thread to a flame is the brightest star comment. Otherwise you could learn something from the posts that didn't answer your question, because there was valid, usefull information there to. YOU are choosing to ignore what they said because it didn't give you what you want. This is a public forum, don't expect to hear what you want because we are going to share what WE think about it, as long as it's on topic...

If you have a problem with flamming or insults bring it to a mod or admin, but I seiously doubt anything in this thread is against the rules.
 
Originally posted by Phoenix86
The closest think in this thread to a flame is the brightest star comment. Otherwise you could learn something from the posts that didn't answer your question, because there was valid, usefull information there to. YOU are choosing to ignore what they said because it didn't give you what you want. This is a public forum, don't expect to hear what you want because we are going to share what WE think about it, as long as it's on topic...

If you have a problem with flamming or insults bring it to a mod or admin, but I seiously doubt anything in this thread is against the rules.
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Here here....well said.
 
Originally posted by Phoenix86
The closest think in this thread to a flame is the brightest star comment. Otherwise you could learn something from the posts that didn't answer your question, because there was valid, usefull information there to. YOU are choosing to ignore what they said because it didn't give you what you want. This is a public forum, don't expect to hear what you want because we are going to share what WE think about it, as long as it's on topic...

If you have a problem with flamming or insults bring it to a mod or admin, but I seiously doubt anything in this thread is against the rules.
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it's because of people like you that this message board has the ignore feature. I'm honestly glad for this feature, as well.

Honestly, I came in this thread looking for information myself... So, by attempting to prove the point that this kind of thread wastes space, you yourselves wasted a ton of space.

This little debate is on the verge of thread crapping... That isn't against the rules, but then again, it isn't exactly a good way to make friends with the thread starter.

Also remember, this is a forum to talk about COMPUTER STUFF. So, why are you being such turds about it? Lets talk about computers. I honestly think that Metallica_Band could have recieved some much more informed and intelligent replies in a different forum, such as the OS forum or the SMP forum.

Back on topic, there is also a cluster option for Windows 2000 Advanced Server. That might be just a bit different from other clusters, though. I think it's more network related.
 
Originally posted by ’m‚³‚ñ
Back on topic, there is also a cluster option for Windows 2000 Advanced Server. That might be just a bit different from other clusters, though. I think it's more network related.
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Does anyone actually use windows for clustering? That kinda seems like trying to drive in a screw with a hammer.
 
Originally posted by jpmkm
Does anyone actually use windows for clustering? That kinda seems like trying to drive in a screw with a hammer.
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Not computational clustering. But I've done plenty of fail over clusters with them. BEcause we all know, windows is bound to fail. :D
 
Originally posted by KaosDG
Not computational clustering. But I've done plenty of fail over clusters with them. BEcause we all know, windows is bound to fail. :D
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Well, it's more of an overload sharing type of thing instead of a sharing sharing from what I remember. It's also a fail over. Since it's Advanced Server, it's probably for networking only. Like DNS server clustering.
 
(If a mod edited this post already then my bad...I can't remember if I posted this or not...I thought I posted this before but it doesn't show up now...just delete/edit this again if you edited it out once before)

Originally posted by Phoenix86
If you have a problem with flamming or insults bring it to a mod or admin
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First off when I have a problem I don't go crying and whining to a higher athority and have them settle it...I at least TRY to settle it myself before tattling...I'm not a rat like some other ppl are!!!

Originally posted by Phoenix86
The closest think in this thread to a flame is the brightest star comment. Otherwise you could learn something from the posts that didn't answer your question, because there was valid, usefull information there to.
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OH!!! I would enjoy for you to explain to me how the following quotes are something to "learn from", "valid", and "useful"!!! They are mean, rude, uncalled for, and childish...they should either post nice comments and answer the question OR not post AT ALL!!!

Originally posted by emorphien
I don't believe he even knows the website URL for google.
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Originally posted by djnes
That's why I typed it out for him. One thing to learn on these forums. When someone asks a question that is easily solved by google....and they mention they used google. It's either a lie, or they are beyond computer illiteracy.
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Originally posted by emorphien
Indeed, but of course Metal_head here has proven to this forum repeatedly that he's not the brightest star in the sky.
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Originally posted by djnes
It's not that we are making a bad impression for other users. It's the fact that SEVERAL times a day, EVERY day, Metallica_Band_Napster_Fans creates a post asking the meaning of some simple, singular term. Something he could go to google and answer himself, without asking others to do his ass-wiping. This is not a computer newbie AOL forums where people come to ask questions like, what is a monitor, etc. This is an advanced computing forum with a reputation around the web as having the best and the brightest of the DIY'ers crowd.
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Originally posted by Iconz
Regardless, I think you have enough information in this thread to answer your question.
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wow, and I was trying to calm this thread down...:rolleyes:

Metallica_Band, Simply put you were getting answers & information on how to find the information yourself. I'm not about to respond to WHY each of the posters posted what they did, take that up with them.

’m‚³‚ñ, sorry you feel that way. Try reading my other posts, I'm not trying to heat this up. In fact I asked people to be more constructive if they were not going to directly answer the question by providing him a way to doing it himself instead of saying "google.com"

So back to the topic. I don't think there is any support for windows computational clusters, just load balancing/fail over as ’m‚³‚ñ said. I have not worked with the load balancing aspect, but the fail over works nicely. And yes, all machines fail, windows just ups that factor a bit. :D

Metallica_Band, are you looking to build a cluster or just getting info?
 
Originally posted by Phoenix86
Metallica_Band, are you looking to build a cluster or just getting info?
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Well...I was TRYING to get info...looks like that's not going so well tho:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:I can see that you might be trying to calm things down a bit...I wish it was calmer too
 
...out of control, off topic, and headed nowhere fast.

A suggestion - If you don't think a thread is worth a reply.....don't post.

If you have nothing of value to contribute to a thread......don't post.

B.B.S.

Words of wisdom from IceCzar - fellow Mod:
Ice Czar wrote on 02-19-2004 04:23 PM:

This is a runaway thread at this point, irregardless of the assumed ease of this question or its original ambiguity, the attitude (generally) adopted was disappointing. While Metallica_Band may need to develop some skills in posing a question (they do often seem niave* at first glance) Ive found that they are generally vaild questions, as in this case.

The efforts to change Metallica_Band's posting style were at best heavy handed, and at worst, bashing.

Metallica_Band, while that is regrettable, you should have refrained from the "turd" comment

*I mean this in the true sense of the word: "marked by or showing unaffected simplicity and lack of guile or worldly experience"

This forum isnt just for the elite, though we like to think of ourselves it that fashion :p, there are alot more readers than posters, and that is in part because of this attitude, I cannot personally address why Metalica_Band has that style, but always assume that poster maybe employing a 2nd language, are quite young, or simply are members of a different culture (and that includes both foreign & domestic) they donot have to conform to our "norm"

Windows 2000 Server Distributed Systems Guide Glossary
A group of independent computer systems known as nodes or hosts, that work together as a single system to ensure that mission-critical applications and resources remain available to clients. A server cluster is the type of cluster that the Cluster service implements. Network Load Balancing provides a software solution for clustering multiple computers running Windows 2000 Server that provides networked services over the Internet and private intranets

Beowulf ClusterA network of relatively inexpensive computers (including PCs), potentially using different processors and hardware architectures, united by GNU/Linux and special system-level software into a massively parallel computing system, so that all of the computers work as one computer. A good cheap way to have a supercomputer

my first return question would have been filesystem or supercomputer?
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