Suggestions Wanted, And Possible Overkill?

Tytalus

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I'm (still) trying to finalize my specs for a new PC (yay for new builds!) I haven't been an OCer in the past but I want to try my hand at it with a buddy over a beer-filled weekend building a new PC.... but I'm a bit short on knowledge to finish up the pseudo-spending spree. This is meant to be a gamer rig, non-SLI/CF with serious updates to my old spec (Athlon 64 3800+ w/ 2GB RAM and a Radeon 9800 256MB), which is 2 years old. There will be no salvage from an old PC--this is all new parts, as I describe below....

(I tried to truncate the entries a bit, but left enough in so it could still be recognized what I am interested in)
- GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 Motherboard
- Intel Core 2 Duo E6600
- G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) (CL4)
- SAPPHIRE 100177L Radeon X1950XTX 512MB GDDR4 PCI-E x16 CrossFire-Ready
- Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 320GB 7200 RPM SATA (Perp. Tech)

....this gets me to around $1200, and I want to keep it under $1500 (under $1400 would be a nice bonus, but not necessary).

Two questions based on the items above:

1. Is the video card over the top? (I'm guessing not, but can never be too sure) It's currently the most expensive piece in the entire setup, and that just feels "weird", for lack of a better term. Not sure why it's making my hairs stand up all funky but some reassurance or insight wouldn't hurt at this point!

2. I listed my current$ vs. cap$ up above, and there should be sufficient space to fit in a power supply, a case (windowed seems to be the direction I'm leaning, for obvious cosmetic reasons) and I'll probably need a good heat sink to replace the stock one (and $5 for the AS5 =] ) The case and power supply seem to be the biggest points of contention between me and the guy who's tossing suggestions my way--every time I find a case it's too expensive because it comes with a crappy PS, and every time he finds a nice bare-bones one it's over-budget because it's TOO cosmetic and doesn't leave enough in the budget for a good PS and the other accessories. The video card I have listed is going to require 30A on the +12V, and with these newer PS' out there I'm having a difficult time understanding some of the 'splitting' involved, and how that changes whether or not the PS is what will be required for the video card. (Finally the question) Suggestions/recommendations/personal experiences on a PS and Case?

3. (the hidden bonus or 'X' factor) I have a $150 gift card for Circuit City that doesn't add in to my final total above.... that I can use !!IF!! I can find something at Circuit City that fits in with this setup. (I spent over an hour walking through tonight and didn't come up with anything except a DVD Writer, but didn't buy it since I still can't decide what color the case should be)

Ideally I want to finish up my Newegg cart and get this ordered so it can be here by next Friday at the latest. Asking for suggestions isn't something that comes easy to me--I prefer to do my own research, and after browsing over the power supply FAQ's and reading through spec after spec I decided to defer this to the forum jockeys in the hopes that someone can sway me one way or another.

Thanks for any advice provided!
 
1) I'd wait for dx10 cards. The 8800GTX/GTS is due out within a week or so. Here's more info on it:
http://dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4812
http://dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4450
http://dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4441
*more links within those articles

What games do you play and at what resolution/settings? You may not need the most expensive card out there, but its always a nice thing to have :p Though, I'd wait wait for the 8800GTS still. If anything, it'll push current prices down.

2) This is a popular case because it has nice airflow, a window, and is tool-less, all for about $50 (+ tax and shipping):
$50 - COOLER MASTER Centurion 5 CAC-T05-WW Black/Silver w/ Side Window

As for PSU... the nvidia dx10 cards will require a minimum of about 500W. 30A requirement on the +12v rail... on a multi-rail psu, add the amperages up. If one rail is lower, it is most likely the one for the mobo/cpu, while the peripherals will be powered off the other rail. This XClio should suffice, but you could certainly get one of the other recommended PSUs (link). This one is on that list under "cheap but good" lol:
$50 - XClio GOODPOWER 500W ATX 500W

But I'd go for something like this for a high end gaming rig:
$105 - OCZ GameXStream OCZ600GXSSLI ATX12V 600W ($120 - $15MIR)


Newegg cart:
$315 - Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz
$140 - GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 Socket T (LGA 775) Intel P965 Express
$210 - G.SKILL 2GB (2x1GB) DDR2-800 F2-6400CL5D-2GBNQ
$206 - eVGA 256-P2-N584-AR Geforce 7900GT 256MB ($226 - $20MIR)
$105 - OCZ GameXStream OCZ600GXSSLI ATX12V 600W ($120 - $15MIR)
$95 - Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS 320GB 7200RPM SATA300 16MB Cache
$55 - Scythe SCNJ-1100P 120mm CPU HSF
$50 - Cooler Master Centurion 5 CAC-T05-WW Black/Silver w/ Side Window
$31 - NEC 18X DVD±R DVD Burner 7170A-0B
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$1207 + tax and shipping (after rebates)... which should come out to $1400 after tax/shipping before rebates.

Use the eVGA Step Up program to upgrade to a DX10 card within 90 days (8800GTX or 8800GTS).
 
enginurd said:
1) What games do you play and at what resolution/settings? You may not need the most expensive card out there, but its always a nice thing to have :p Though, I'd wait wait for the 8800GTS still. If anything, it'll push current prices down.

I play World of Warcraft often, but I am also in to Counter-Strike (which already runs at 100+FPS on my current computer). This is mostly a WoW machine, but I also do Sim City 4 (+expansion), AoE III, Warcraft III (+expansion).... that's about 99% of my daily processing on the machine, it stays shut off when I'm at work or not using it. I run on a Viewsonic VX924 19" @ 1280x1024.... I'm still deathly afraid of widescreen for some unknown reason. :)



enginurd said:
But I'd go for something like this for a high end gaming rig:
$105 - OCZ GameXStream OCZ600GXSSLI ATX12V 600W ($120 - $15MIR)

I took a look at this one last night.... so long as the rails are powerful enough it makes sense, and it's about the right price. $120 seems about the max I'd want to spend on a PS... I know they are important, but anything over $100 seems "expensive".



enginurd said:
Newegg cart:
$315 - Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz
$140 - GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 Socket T (LGA 775) Intel P965 Express
$210 - G.SKILL 2GB (2x1GB) DDR2-800 F2-6400CL5D-2GBNQ
$206 - eVGA 256-P2-N584-AR Geforce 7900GT 256MB ($226 - $20MIR)
$105 - OCZ GameXStream OCZ600GXSSLI ATX12V 600W ($120 - $15MIR)
$95 - Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS 320GB 7200RPM SATA300 16MB Cache
$55 - Scythe SCNJ-1100P 120mm CPU HSF
$50 - Cooler Master Centurion 5 CAC-T05-WW Black/Silver w/ Side Window
$31 - NEC 18X DVD±R DVD Burner 7170A-0B
============
$1207 + tax and shipping (after rebates)... which should come out to $1400 after tax/shipping before rebates.

Use the eVGA Step Up program to upgrade to a DX10 card within 90 days (8800GTX or 8800GTS).

Some thoughts on this:

- I noticed you put in the Scythe Ninja--unfortunately I'm blind in this area, so I only read reviews (heavily from Newegg) and a lot of people seem unhappy with theirs, or they found it incredibly difficult to fit in a case/on a motherboard/somewhere inside of their computer. Based on the case you selected and the mobo I am going with will it have issues?

- I noticed you also recommended an NVidia card. I've only ever used ATI or (way back in the day) Matrox. Around the GeForce2 cards I ended up upgrading and went with an ATI card back when Catalyst was just being introduced. Is this the time for me to switch? I've always liked ATI and I've only had small, non-related issues with ATI cards over the years (both the 8500 64MB and 9800 256MB both worked very well, made by ATI... and the X1600 512MB [all AGP] I bought [and returned] to see if I was having a video card issue worked great as well.) I don't mind going the NVidia route, but I've read some great things about the ATI cards. The one thing that intrigues me is the eVGA DX10 upgrade stuff.... when I get a quick break here at work I'll definitely take a peek at that and see if it changes my mind!

Thanks for the great info!
 
You're only running at 1280x1024, so a 7900GT would be fine for current games. Both ATI and NVIDIA have great cards out right now. ATI does have the highest performing single card, but they currently consume more power than the NVIDIA cards. The prices are basically an indication of performance. It really all depends on your price range for the vidcard:
$400 X1950XTX
$300 7950GT
$250 X1900XT or GT
$200 7900GT or X1800XT
$125 7600GT

I think the new dx10 cards will be quite expensive, probably starting at $400 if we're lucky. On the other hand, it will take a while before dx10 games hit mainstream, aside from crysis. However, they will outperform the current cards even in dx9 games.

As for widescreen monitors, they're great if the game you're playing supports it. I know CS:S supports it, which offers a wider viewing angle (16:10) over standard portrait (4:3). There's a 19" Acer for only $185, and a BenQ 20" for $260 (even less when its on sale). Though, you already have a 19" standard, so stick with that for now, unless you want to spend more for an upgrade.

The Scythe Ninja fits nicely in an Antec Super Lanboy, which is 8.3" wide. The Centurion 5 is only 8" wide. The Ninja Plus is 150mm (~6" tall), leaving 2" for mobo/socket/mobo.plate+standoffs. I think it will fit fine. If you're worried about it, you could get the Zalman CNPS9500. Its only 125mm tall (~5") and also quiet:
$50 - ZALMAN CNPS9500
 
I decided to hold off purchasing a video card entirely until next week.... to see what availability/pricing comes down to, and if local shops will have it at the same price online shops will have the 8800's at. If the price is below +$50 then I'll use my CC gift card to "save" cash (I don't need anything else at CC, so anything I can use it on there is "free cash", for lack of a better term).

My cart is pretty close to complete like this:

$313 - Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz LGA 775 Processor Model BX80557E6600
$210 - G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Standard System Memory Model F2-6400CL5D-2GBNQ
$160 - PC Power & Cooling Silencer 610 EPS12V EPS12V 610W Continuous @ 40°C Power Supply
$140 - GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 Socket T (LGA 775) Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard
$95 - Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS (Perpendicular Recording Technology) 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
$55 - COOLER MASTER Centurion RC-534-KWN1-GP Black Aluminum front panel & Mesh bezel, SECC chassis ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
$50 - Scythe SCNJ-1100P 120mm CPU Cooling Fan
$6 - Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound
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$1035.92 + $33.10 S&H = $1,069.02 w/out video card

I'm going to post a link to this thread over on the Case boards so I can get some quick input to make sure input/flow will be sufficient, and maybe get a suggestion for a fan to purchase that won't put me over $1100 shipped.

Thanks for the help and if you have any info about the case I settled on please let me know! It's the only thing I'm still concerned about!
 
A quick bump, and a request for additional cases that would compliment this setup nicely. I'm also a huge fan of the color blue if there's any single women out there, or anyone who has blue-related suggestions! :)
 
EQTakeOffense said:
CircuitCity has a 1950xtx online that you can apply you gift card for.

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/ATI-...99000044/oid/161544/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do
If he gets charged tax, it'll most likely come out to around same price as this x1950xtx:
$380 - SAPPHIRE 100177L Radeon X1950XTX 512MB GDDR4 ($400 - $20MIR)

I'd use the CC gift card during black friday instead. It doesn't expire right? you could save it for when you need a new HDTV or HD DVD player (or BR player).
 
My original intention was to use the gift card for those purposes.... just decided against it (I already have a 50" Sony WS LCD and an HD-up converting 5-disc for my living room). I was thinking a decent sound system, but my neighbors are #%&*#&#&#% (that's being gracious) so any noise that manages to escape the area I live in constitutes a knock on my door.

I'd LOVE to be able to pick up a video card with the gift card.... but you're pretty much right, I could just get the Sapphire one and save the gift card at that point.

I placed the order last night and some of the stuff is already set to ship on Monday, and I'm expecting to head up to my buddy's place on Friday to drink/build/OC. What I was thinking: on Friday see if Circuit City has any of the 8800's yet (doubtful). If they do manage to have one, apply it towards the card--even if they are charging $100 more.... I was an Ops MIT for Circuit City before I got my "real job" so I can just call up the Tech Mgr from my old store and have him price match it for me over the phone, sell it to me out of the store down the street from me and pick it up there at the cheaper price. (Already spoke with him this weekend, he's down for matching me for online prices on anything I want).

That's Plan A.... Plan B is to drive up to my buddy's place (2 hour hike) and along the way if I see any large computer stores pop in and see if they have 8800's available. Worst-case is I drop cash for it and save the gift card for a rainy day (or as suggested, Black Friday). I already have a Black Friday group ready to hit up Circuit City (assuming the ad has anything I'd be interested in) so maybe the card will just go towards that. Of course wanting the 8800 has blown my $1500 figure completely out of the water (the order I placed last night was $1120.xx, tax included).... it was such a beautiful idea until I decided to get power hungry. *SIGH* The life of an enthusiast. :)

I'll end up posting my final specs for the E6600 whenever I get the pieces put together and OC it a bit. Also I got a bunch of blue fans so it's gonna' end up being a huge glowing ball of LED-blue beauty (and probably loud as all get-out). So long as I get over 3.0GHz with the processor I'm considering this entire build a "success"... brownie points for hitting 3.2GHz and 3.4GHz (which I realize is probably unlikely, but I like to set some unrealistic goals anyways).

Oh, the final build (since I didn't post the actual, final cart yet):


Item(s) shipped from CA Tracking Number:
$-49.99 1 DISCOUNT FOR COMBO #11918 GIFT
$49.99 - 1 UBISOFT Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter - OEM
$209.99 - 1 G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Standard System Memory Model F2-6400CL5D-2GBNQ - Retail

Item(s) shipped from NJ Tracking Number:
$312.99 - 1 Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz LGA 775 Processor Model BX80557E6600 - Retail
$146.99 - 1 GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 Socket T (LGA 775) Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
$53.99 - 1 Scythe SCNJ-1100P 120mm CPU Cooling Fan - Retail
$94.99 - 1 Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS (Perpendicular Recording Technology) 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
$28.99 - 1 SAMSUNG 18X DVD±R DVD Burner With 12X DVD-RAM Write Black E-IDE/ATAPI Model SH-S182D - OEM
$5.99 - 1 Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM
$54.99 - 1 COOLER MASTER Centurion RC-534-KWN1-GP Black Aluminum front panel & Mesh bezel, SECC chassis ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail

Item(s) shipped from TN Tracking Number:
$18.98 - 2 Thermaltake Thunderblade A1926 120mm Sleeve Blue LED Light Cooling Fan - Retail
$159.99 - 1 PC Power & Cooling Silencer 610 EPS12V EPS12V 610W Continuous @ 40°C Power Supply - Retail
 
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