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Shuttle + RAID
- Thread starter codeflux
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looking at his sig i'd say it looks more like it's going to be raid0.
either way, if you have a quick look at the shuttle website you would find your answer:
http://www.shuttle.com/hq/product/barebone/SB81P/SB81P.asp
http://www.shuttle.com/hq/product/barebone/feature.asp?B_id=23
http://www.shuttle.com/hq/product/barebone/SN95G5/SN95G5.asp
http://www.shuttle.com/hq/product/barebone/feature.asp?B_id=34
my suggestion? the socket 939, but then i don't have to foot the bill
either way, if you have a quick look at the shuttle website you would find your answer:
http://www.shuttle.com/hq/product/barebone/SB81P/SB81P.asp
http://www.shuttle.com/hq/product/barebone/feature.asp?B_id=23
http://www.shuttle.com/hq/product/barebone/SN95G5/SN95G5.asp
http://www.shuttle.com/hq/product/barebone/feature.asp?B_id=34
my suggestion? the socket 939, but then i don't have to foot the bill
codeflux said:
1. Research and read the reviews, and then rethink your comments. I myself had 2 Raptors in RAID0, I ran some benchmarks, compared to other sites, and have since broken my array. Perhaps you'd like to start your research here:
http://www.geekpc.net/raid.htm
Then you can read the Anandtech article I linked to. So before you feel the need to correct a few people, you might want to find out if your right first or not.
While i agree with the statement that RAID0 is "useless to most people", i am willing to argue that for those who need lots of speed for "sustained" disk acess, it can be quite useful. For NLE (video), a nicely set up RAID 0 is the "poor man's" raptor. It allows you to use slower, cheaper drives and still maintain the performance of "premium" drives.
But for gaming or office use, it's of no "real world" benefit.
But for gaming or office use, it's of no "real world" benefit.
Are you people high?!... Check out my RAID0 benchies with 2 raptors on IC7-G, Promise RAID controller, and 3+GHz box (can't remember what it was at the time):
http://codeflux.com/mods/raid0bench/
You cannot get that performance on non-RAID'ed setup.
When is that new shuttle coming out? I could use 3 hard drives - 2x400 & 1x74/raptor
http://codeflux.com/mods/raid0bench/
You cannot get that performance on non-RAID'ed setup.
When is that new shuttle coming out? I could use 3 hard drives - 2x400 & 1x74/raptor
codeflux said:
Step back from the PC, and catch a deep breathe.
Next, read online the difference between a synthetic benchmark and a real world test.
Thirdly, call up Anand from Anandtech and tell him he's wrong.
Damn man, this topic has been beaten to death on the forums...the RAID0 fad is over...deal with it.
whatever, dude. IN MY CASE: no raid0 = slow, raid0 = fast. try running some benchies yourself. try working with movies or huge graphics for a while, where it begins to thrash your box. try loading huge maps in UT2k4. try it without RAID0, and then with RAID0. then try to talk to me about how RAID0 gives you no real performance gain. bleh.
/me disregarding any more comments about RAID from now on.
so, does anyone know when SB81P is coming out?
/me disregarding any more comments about RAID from now on.
so, does anyone know when SB81P is coming out?
codeflux said:
Are you absolutely serious? Your going to argue with proven fact? When do you laugh and say just kidding? The site I linked for you...WAS MY SITE OF MY TESTS. Read the Anandtech article....read it good...read it again. It offers NO real world performance. There is nothing in this world that screams ignorance than arguing with proven facts. Let the myth die...PLEASE. Continuing to post false information like the stuff your saying is only hurting the forums. People who don't know any better (you) might read this and still think RAID0 is a good idea. How about the 50% reduction in MTBF? Crawl out from the rock your under, do some reading, then come back and post with your knew found knowledge. A little reading and learning never hurt anyone...try it.
I dont use it for any other then games. Raid 0 worked great for me because it got me loaded into games before anyone else. I am always the 1st person loaded in every game. You dont think this helps but in BF1942 I can capture a flag before the other team spawns.
Yes the price for RAID is a little high compaired to what it dose for me but none the less it works.
Also i am a warez freak. Host lots of crap and i know when i have 8 users downloading from me RAID plays a big part there
Yes the price for RAID is a little high compaired to what it dose for me but none the less it works.
Also i am a warez freak. Host lots of crap and i know when i have 8 users downloading from me RAID plays a big part there
CooLSpoT said:
I think your completely missing what RAID actually is, and instead believing some of the marketing crap some people on here spout about RAID. Do a search on RAID0 and read up on the million other threads about it. It's dead and gone. If you want to keep running it, I'd avise you backup your data now and often. Your gaining nothing in real world performance. We've done the testing to nauseating levels. As I said, if you want to keep using it, fine...just don't sit there and argue with proven, tested, re-tested, and beaten to death facts. If you don't want to trust the online articles, pick up the latest Max PC. The myth has been "busted".
you know, try using kazaa, emule, and soulseek, all at the same time, downloading 50 files each. big files. then add to that an ftp server, letting people download. then add to that regular desktop use. then tell me that raid0 is useless.
STOP TRYING TO PUSH *YOUR* AGENDA ON *ME*.
STOP TRYING TO PUSH *YOUR* AGENDA ON *ME*.
codeflux said:
None of that has anything to do with RAID. Seriously, man, if you want to debate with me, please arm yourself with some knowledge and understanding first.
I don't have an agenda with your system....I do feel I have a duty to provide information and knowledge, and when I see someone such as yourself confused and misguided, I'm going to point it out. Do yourself a favor, and do some reading on your own time. The more false information you post, the more your credibility takes a crap. As I've stated before, look around, read all the other threads about RAID0. I've spent weeks running tests...and compared my results to other members on here. It's been [H]ardlabeled and FACT.
^^^^
Stupid flamewar. Let other people buy what they want to. I don't need dual processors for most of the things I do, but I like having them. Did I waste my money? Some may say yes, others may say no. Just leave it alone; going about saying it's your "duty" to inform the world makes you seem like the misguided one.
Stupid flamewar. Let other people buy what they want to. I don't need dual processors for most of the things I do, but I like having them. Did I waste my money? Some may say yes, others may say no. Just leave it alone; going about saying it's your "duty" to inform the world makes you seem like the misguided one.
Subliminal
Limp Gawd
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Actually, as an innocent bystander, I think that it's good to have debates like this. Someone can come on here and do a search on raid0 and read about how fast it is, even if it really isn't. Then they go and waste their money on something that won't benefit them. Now, if someone was to come on and read this thread, they'd know that, at the very least, they'd still have some researching to do.
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Subliminal said:
You hit right on the problem with codeflux. He wants to argue and debate despite being wrong. The psychological community calls it ignorance. What he doesn't realize is if he puts down the attitude, takes some tmie to read, he'll learn something and be better off than before. Your absolutely right about friendly debates. Sometimes even both people learn.
Some people just can't admit or accept being wrong from time to time. It's a damn shame because too many people like codeflux are doing that now on here. We get some good laughs about them in GenMay, but that's about it. Oh well. I'll just sit back and wait until I see him post a thread asking how to recover data from a dead array.
There's nothing more said than watching someone try to argue against fact. Makes us laugh.
codeflux said:
Yo, i totally agree with you. RAID 0 is not useless, I've built 3 top-end systems from the ground up, always first with standard configs [i.e. no RAID 0] and the use of single drives is dead slow. Once I implemented RAID 0 configs I always noticed the difference, I personally don't care about another review sites claims anymore because in the real world, my world, the world where I play games, edit videos, mix up tracks and compile some real work, RAID 0 makes a world of a difference. If you can't acknowledge that, just rest in ignorance and keep on jamming on your teeny little RAID 1 configs hoping that redundancy will save your butt when a power surge wipes out both your drives. lol
New age HDD are made with a high MTBF, so the chance of failure in the olden days with the use of RAID0 would have potentially been much higher and thus not worth it. Today however this is not much of an issue. My RAID 0 configurations only EVER failed once, and that's when i disassembled them to sell off the drives after upgrading to some new ones every few years. [video takes space!]
For you gaming bunnies, stick to your non-RAID0 configs, but don't preach to the people that actually use their hardware that RAID0 is a waste. Anand does some good articles, but on this topic I wholly disagree with Anand and Storagereview regarding their RAID0 articles.
d3m0n5 said:For you gaming bunnies, stick to your non-RAID0 configs, but don't preach to the people that actually use their hardware that RAID0 is a waste. Anand does some good articles, but on this topic I wholly disagree with Anand and Storagereview regarding their RAID0 articles.
I'm going to add your name to the joke forum in genMay where we're laughing at people who argue with fact and disagree with two of the most knowledgeable and respected sites. WOW!
Since you feel your experience as one person means the world, I'll tell you I've done the testing myself and have found that Anand and StorageReview are absolutely correct. My fiancee doesn't professional multimedia creation, and using some of her functions, I still couldn't get a better performance. I'll agree with you on the gaming part....but just WOW...arguing with fact is just...WOW....can't come up with a better word. You guys are giving us some good laughs...thank you!
djnes said:
lol
don't worry about laughing at my expense. It's my job to educate ppl like you. I'm just saddened that you seem to trust everything you read in every net article. At least you tried to do some homework [or so you say]. If you've ever done any journalism you'll also learn that any article has to be taken with a grain of salt. Sites like Anand and HardOCP are great, I highly recommend them to anyone, but everything published isn't always the 100% truth or 100% accurate. We could start talking about what kind of jobs we hold, penis lengths and that, I or you indeed may know more than me or you, but I'll just leave this thread untouched after this cuz I know a flamewar is a waste of my time.
Then again, maybe you're one of those bunnies that read a few reviews from sites like tomshardware or anand, thinks they're the sh*t, and go and buy the latest and greatest graphics card because the scores in some shitty bench say it's # times faster than that crappy card you bought from the last review.
d3m0n5 said:lol
don't worry about laughing at my expense. It's my job to educate ppl like you. I'm just saddened that you seem to trust everything you read in every net article. At least you tried to do some homework [or so you say]. If you've ever done any journalism you'll also learn that any article has to be taken with a grain of salt. Sites like Anand and HardOCP are great, I highly recommend them to anyone, but everything published isn't always the 100% truth or 100% accurate. We could start talking about what kind of jobs we hold, penis lengths and that, I or you indeed may know more than me or you, but I'll just leave this thread untouched after this cuz I know a flamewar is a waste of my time.
Then again, maybe you're one of those bunnies that read a few reviews from sites like tomshardware or anand, thinks they're the sh*t, and go and buy the latest and greatest graphics card because the scores in some shitty bench say it's # times faster than that crappy card you bought from the last review.
I agree with what you said about taking things with a grain of salt. I myself didn't believe it either. That's why I spent 3 weeks doing testing one 2 different systems, with different drives. Quite a few other long time, regular users on here did the same. I used Norton ghost to keep the images prinstine, and I have to say it was a very thorough test. I have a degree in the sciences, so I know a little something about experimentation and repeatability. When my results matched the other members here, and the results of those web sites, it becmoes labelled fact. It is a fact, whether you want to believe it or not.
I could chose your route and throw some flames, refer to you as a noob, questino the intelligence of someone you don't know...but I won't.
Your going to sit and argue with me, many other members on here, HardOCP.com, Anandtech.com, StorageReview.com, and MaximumPC, then well I just feel sorry for you.
Also, please don't spread bullshit about your job being to educate me. The only thing you've taught me is how ignorant some people can be in their failures to ever admit being wrong. The facts are out there. You can choose to agree with fact, or look stupid arguing against them. The choice is yours. Now, instead of dragging this pointless argument, either drop it, or take it up via PM.
Subliminal
Limp Gawd
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Question: If raid0 is worthless, why was it even ever put into production?
Subliminal said:
Excellent question. It's another of the many examples of a feature that is enabled / created because it was possible....not really necessary. Why do Nvidia Nforce2 chipsets tout dual channel support when it adds very very little to the memory performance? Why is ATA133 touted over ATA100? Does it make it faster? Nope. Is 8x AGP any faster than 4x AGP? Not really. Is SATA any faster than ATA100/133? Not really.
It's all about marketing...if you make people THINK it's faster, you have a sale. This is where the people fall who still believe in RAID0. They bought the marketing hype, when fact and testing proved it to be nothing more than hype. It's all about what you make the customers think...not what you actually do.
bumped into this thread. you people are still arguing about this? wow... how underwhelming.
ok, to reiterate. all sites that denounce usefullness of raid0 are right. for DESKTOP USES, that is. i do not consider my use of my computer as such - i use it as a WORKSTATION. i am running MASSIVE downloads and uploads. i use photoshop extensively. i edit videos and mp3s. i do a lot of stuff that goes beyond the most broad definitions of desktop uses. so, as i said before: stop pushing your agenda on me.
you gamers stick to single drive systems. i will stick to my striped raptors, thank you very much. "now, why don't you all just fade away..."
ok, to reiterate. all sites that denounce usefullness of raid0 are right. for DESKTOP USES, that is. i do not consider my use of my computer as such - i use it as a WORKSTATION. i am running MASSIVE downloads and uploads. i use photoshop extensively. i edit videos and mp3s. i do a lot of stuff that goes beyond the most broad definitions of desktop uses. so, as i said before: stop pushing your agenda on me.
you gamers stick to single drive systems. i will stick to my striped raptors, thank you very much. "now, why don't you all just fade away..."