SCSI Or Raptor?

[Th3KrawL3R]

Im thinking about upgrading to better drives...7200rpm not cutting it anymore. I already have a u160 PCI SCSI card so if I go SCSI all i need is a drive (15k probably). If I go for the raptors, i need to buy a card b/c my old mobo doesnt have sata. Which one would perform better, be more reliable, and feel "zippier"

 

[defakto]

might as well stick with the scsi if you've got the card for it already.

 

[draksia]

Which one would perform better, be more reliable, and feel "zippier"

SCSI, SCSI, and SCSI they only area it doesn't win is price but if you can remotely afford it is well worth it.

 

[tdg]

SCSI all the way around for sure. The Maxtor Atlas 15k series is, IMO, the best all around drive available.

 

[Th3KrawL3R]

really?...Ive heard really bad things bout Maxtor (my dad is in the enterprise storage market). Ive heard that Maxtors fail ALOT (like highest failure rate within 1 yr in the industry)

 

[Dark Ember]

really?...Ive heard really bad things bout Maxtor (my dad is in the enterprise storage market). Ive heard that Maxtors fail ALOT (like highest failure rate within 1 yr in the industry)

I actually work in reliability and test engineering at maxtor. From my experience, the new 15k atlas drives are pretty solid. I was actually planning on buying one in addition to my 15k.3 that I have right now.

 

[Ice Czar]

Im. Which one would perform better, be more reliable, and feel "zippier"

More RAM

what is this for? what are you doing?

 

[Th3KrawL3R]

This is for the occasional video edit, OS, Pshop..etc and yes...i do need more RAM

 

[unhappy_mage]

get the ram first and then the disks. the ram will make more difference (and probably cheaper too) and then you can decide if you want to upgrade. then go for it. get the maxtor 15k's unless you're worried about noise and then i dunno what. if your card does raid of any sort you could do raid1 or raid5 if you're worried about disks failing (to be honest i would be even if they are reliable). you may be able to add in an adaptec zcr raid solution if the card itself doesn't do it.

 

[Ice Czar]

agreed more RAM then SCSI

then a few more

 

[E4g1e]

really?...Ive heard really bad things bout Maxtor (my dad is in the enterprise storage market). Ive heard that Maxtors fail ALOT (like highest failure rate within 1 yr in the industry)

What you've heard was concerning Maxtor's IDE/ATA hard drives, with their relatively poor reliability records.

Maxtor's current SCSI hard drives, on the other hand, have been descended from Quantum's SCSI hard drives, thanks to Maxtor's acquisition of Quantum.

 

[UICompE02]

agreed more RAM then SCSI

then a few more

More RAM to hold you over until the end of the year, then get 3Gbps SAS controllers and drives (My current plan...)

What you've heard was concerning Maxtor's IDE/ATA hard drives, with their relatively poor reliability records.

This has been my experience, too. Maxtor's enterprise level SCSI drives are on par with Seagate and IBM/Hitachi SCSI drives in terms of reliability.

 

[unhappy_mage]

SAS? haven't heard of that...

then again, it says "scsi master" for a reason, right?

gigabits or gigaBytes? sounds awesome either way. I'm guessing pciE for the controllers?

 

[Ice Czar]

it stands for Special Serial Attached Air Service Storage

hold it Im getting confused

Its Serial Attached Storage, where either SATA or SCSI or both can be attached to the same controller\device
or
Special Air Service, where some rather nasty folks in Black Hoods, automatic weapons
and explosives show up and ruin your life, or direct a jet to do it

 

[Th3KrawL3R]

Is there a big noticeable difference between 10k drives and 15k drives?

 

[UICompE02]

SAS? haven't heard of that...

then again, it says "scsi master" for a reason, right?

gigabits or gigaBytes? sounds awesome either way. I'm guessing pciE for the controllers?

Yep, like Ice Czar says, Serial Attached Storage... But I'm specifically thinking of Serial Attached SCSI (I love acronyms within acronyms!) which is 3 gigabits per second (300 MegaBytes per second after encoding overhead is taken out )

They'll be available in PCI-X (which is all the way backwards compatible with the plain old 32-bit 33MHz PCI bus in most home systems) and PCI-Express versions (at least from LSI Logic)

 

[Ice Czar]

UICompE02 you doin any iSCSI?

 

[UICompE02]

UICompE02 you doin any iSCSI?

Nope... At least not now. I think our storage systems group (being spun off as a separate company this month, incidentally) may be doing something with it.

 

[black_b[ ]x]

what's a good choice for a gaming machine? Its tempting to go scsi, but I wouldnt need RAID, so I'd probably just get a single 37GB drive for OS/primary apps and another cheaper drive for mass storage. sounds like the benefit/cost ratio isn't going to be there.

Also, If I go scsi, how much louder are the 15k drives than the 10k? I'm going to try for a somewhat quiet system with watercooling.

 

[defakto]

There is a distinctive high pitched whine to alot of high rpm scsi drives, you can reduce some of the noise by using rubber standoffs to prevent the case from absorbing and amplifyng it though.

 

[HitmanZ]

Yeah there is a diff between scsi 15k's and 10 k's. 10k seems to suck while 15k have top notch performance. Well, at least my 2 scsi raid 0 suck.

 

[Poop]

really?...Ive heard really bad things bout Maxtor (my dad is in the enterprise storage market). Ive heard that Maxtors fail ALOT (like highest failure rate within 1 yr in the industry)

Those drives don't have a 1,000,000+ hour MTBF rating for nothing...

 

[Zuht]

In a lot of cases, the 15k drives are actually quieter than their 10k counterparts, simply because of FDB motors. Good example would be Seagate 15k.3 vs 10k.6, where the only 10k.6 drive to have FDB is the 146GB model, despite being released at the same time. That is changing though as almost everything is getting fluid bearings.