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Questions about my setup

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soulsaver_8229

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hey yall i posted in memory forum as well about a minor question but let me start with my set up

MSI MS-6380E VIA kt266/333 chipset
AMD Atholon XP 2000+ running @ 2006.4 with umm....TT tornado i think? its a jet engine!
multiplier is 12.5 FSB is 160.5
1.584 V
Geil (2x 512) PC3200 Ram running @ 160.5FSB
timings 2 3 3 6

with that over with, im curious if i should take this farther or not? from what i hear my OC on the proc is rather rare on air, dunno tho, any advice yall give? not looking to upgrade anything to get any more just curious if i can tighten my timeings on ram any farther, and if those timeings are sweet or normal/avrage thanks to any help!! or any questions i can answer to help out more

soulsaver_8229
 
run a prog like cpuid and post what core you are running.

most likely, you could volt that thing up higher and get a better OC out of it, but nothing earth shattering.
 
Its a Tbred core forgot to post that, i hear barton is best for OC'in? my brother (whos a [H] memeber) owned this rig before me, he had it at 2.13 i had to declock it for Everquest to run, but dont play that any more, just trying to see what my limits are here, and if thats an ok set up as is......really wondering about my memory is 2 3 3 6 good timeings? compared to most? or do people running XP's get better?

soulsaver_8229
 
the reason that not many people get good OCs on 2000 procs is that there are a lot of them that use the palominio core, which just doesn't OC very well at all.

honestly, i would see what kind of OC you can get prime stable on the thing, taking core voltage up as high as 1.65

i doubt that it will be all that high, considering your chipset, but you might as well try to get your money's worth out of that good ram of your's.

as for you timings, a lot of people run with 11 as the last number, because that is really good on the NF 2 chipset, but you don't have that, so it shouldn't help.

if you can make 2-2-2-6 happen, that would be pretty sweet, just don't volt you memory too high trying to get it, since you should probably hang onto that stuff for your next upgrade.
 
thoroughbred is actually theoretically (and in practice remember thoroughbred-B?) better off overclocking then barton, heres the reason:
lets change the subject briefly to p4s to prove a point:
the p4 extreme edition, it has 2 mb of l3 cache along with the northwoods standard 512kb
what gets higher freqs, stock northwood or extreme edition (if your too lazy, northwood)
why?
three reasons
1. more cache = more heat
2. more cache obviously requires more transistors, more transitiors mean you have a higher chance of that one transitor thats going to stop you from getting that 1 mhz or whatever more
3. more cache also means higher power requirments

back to athlons,barton is actually a thoroughbred core with extra cache bolted on, almost literaly.. if you look at x-rays of the two cores you will see what i mean. barton gets verry little gains by haveing 512 kb (the architecture isnt really dependant on cache which is actually its downfall)

a desktop barton will not neccisarily overclock better then what you have, you would need to get a mobile barton, the mobile 2600 and the 35 watt 2400 gets good results.. 2500's again and again stop at 2.4 ghz

consitering your not running a nforce-2 motherboard and still get freqs that high im willing to bet its a good overclocking cpu, get a new mobo and i wouldnt be surprised if you got 2.2-2.4 ghz
 
Yeah i was thinking of upgrading mobo, but dunno which route to take, what options to look at, i dont really see a performence upgrade with PCI express, stata150, and ive been impressed by this msi board its a lovely piece of cake, since i said i got this board/proc from my brother, hes ran it for a while and its been stable all this time he had no complants, just im the type that id have to get some personal feedback about a product before buying it i guess, worried imma dig right into a new one and it wont work the same =/ and thanks to all of your advice ill keep that in mind

another question is, could i get my timings down to 2-2-2-6 if i ran this in duel channel mode? not offered on this mobo but i have duel channel mem......and i was also thinking of going Abit as mobo, any thoughts between MSI and Abit?


soulsaver_8229
 
the abit NF7-S rev 2 is a pretty sweet socket A board.

i used to have one, and it was much more pleasant to work with than my current DFI.

running memory dual channel makes it harder to hit tight timings like 2-2-2-6, and harder to hit high memory speeds, but has bandwidth gains of it's own. so it's always a balancing act of whatever conbination of timings, speed and single vs dual channel that will get you the best performance for what YOU do with YOUR computer.

i honestly would suggest keeping the ram in good shape (again, by not volting it too high while trying to overclock) and saving up for an athlon 64 system.
 
yeah id like to get a 64, Winnie is new core Newcastle is old? which is best to use, and which soccet should i go for? the 737? <---forgot or 939?
and ill look into that Abit board


soulsaver_8229
 
i would suggest reading some reviews on the subject to get some general knowledge on the subject, and then posting some more specific questions using fresh threads in this section and the CPU section.

the two socket standards are socket 754 and socket 939.

winchester and clawhammer are the two newest cores, and newcastle is somewhat older.

for myself, i will be looking for socket 939, strained silicon and 90 nm process if i can upgrade before next year.

if you don't understand why i would ever look for such things, then you REALLY need to read some more hardware reviews before you start shopping around.
 
i do read up on curent hardware and reviews, but i kinda stick to what i have knowing more about, its just id rather not make a move with out hearing real world feedback not just some "standards" made in a lab somewhere which isnt near my houseing conditions, weather, my use and abuse, thats why i posted here, to see other peoples real world experinces and based on that make a move on upgradeing, i want to stay with AMD, i like the underdog and i like the fact they have great stable procs great for overclocking, plus all around cheaper somewhat.....

anyhoo, from your last post DFI you seem to think im a n00b and for that reason i shouldnt post or maybe know what im talking about before posting? well we all have to start somewhere my friend, no one becomes a computer geni overnight :p but thanks for your advice i will be looking towards 939 winnie 64 im sure :)
 
soulsaver_8229 said:
anyhoo, from your last post DFI you seem to think im a n00b and for that reason i shouldnt post or maybe know what im talking about before posting? well we all have to start somewhere my friend, no one becomes a computer geni overnight :p but thanks for your advice i will be looking towards 939 winnie 64 im sure :)
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of course people who are new to overclocking have a right to post, and they have as much of a right as anyone else to expect a fair and helpfull answer.

however, when you ask such a wide open question, it tends to indicate that you have most likely not done all that much research of your own.

had you posted something along the lines of "i like the features of the abit AX8 motherboard, and wonder how it might overclock in combination with a winchester 3200 processor?" or "has anyone found any 3800 processors using a clawhammer core, instead of a a newcastle?" then i would have either not posted, since i do not currently run a64, or referred you to what a friend of mine has gotten and first hand comments on what it too to make it happen.

as it is, you post indicated to me (rightly or wrongly) that you should probably do some reading of your own, and i therefore suggested that you do so.
 
i have read many articles about it, not so much about 64's but about XP's ive been a lurker on [H] for about 2 years, and no i dont know that much about oc'ing cause i hear people talking about flashing their bios, doing pencil mods, and so on, main thing im used to is upping the fsb and volt to the core, but with all that said, im comfortable where i am at, i was just merly asking if my setup is ok, and such but i will take your information DFI and go with it, i do plan on reading more about 64's and mobo's that are getting good reviews and ask around, thanks for your information

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