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Overheating! Need new case! Please help

XTF said:
Do the screw holes match though?
> 14cm fans aren't standardized AFAIK.
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Reading the Corsair forums (do a search in the Case Forum area for Bitfenix) installing the top may require some Dremel action, but the front should take them. Depending on when your 600t was made it may or may not have a bracket that makes it a bit tricky to put a thicker front fan in there. Also, you may need to move your drive bays back.

The standard Corsair 200mm fans are 20mm thick, most other brands are 25mm and some of them are 30mm.

RE: 140mm fans - AFAIK they typically use a standard pattern or are designed to use 120mm standard hole patterns (Noctua 140mm are like this, for example).
 
Ok I understand that my whole setup is pretty much trash at the moment. The PSU I have now is pretty decent. It's a 550w and should hold its own till I get a better setup. I just don't understand the point of buying a low end case and a bad HSF will do for me. Basically as I've mentioned, I have a $300 budget and I want to buy stuff that will be used on my future build later. Simply saying the the Hyper 212 is too much for my bad CPU doesn't make sense since it will be used on my next build. Also buying a $50 or less case seems like a waste as it would most likely be replaced on my new build.

I would just like to get the most I can now so it's less I have to get later on you know? I'm not only trying to solve my overheating issue but also take a step torwards my next build and buying future proof stuff like a decent case.

Why would getting a good big case be a terrible idea for my bad parts? I do plan on replacing them. If this is truly a bad move then what's the best thing for me to do with a $300 budget?
 
I would suggest NZXT. Great quality and customer service. I own several cases, CM haf 932, Phantom, M59, Tt Chaser MK-1 and several others. My fav's are the full towers but if I had to let them all go and just keep one. It'll be tough between the phantom and MK-1. I highly recommend the Switch though. Lots of options and cooling possibilities and 3 colors (white, black and gun metal)
 
No, the Hyper 212 isn't better than the Corsair, it's on par or slightly worse. It also doesn't include LGA775 hold-down hardware, so it is incompatible with your current system. For these reasons you should not buy it. Period. I'm not suggesting you get a worse HSF, I'm suggesting you get one that will work.

With a quality 550w PSU I'd recommend you get a nice HSF like the Corsair, a cheaper case, and a new GPU. I ran dual 4890s on a Q6600 system and it ran 90% of what I can now, so a better GPU is not completely wasted and can be moved over when you rebuild. No reason to go full tower unless you think you'll end up with multi-GPU and lots of HDDs, otherwise you're just wasting space, airflow can actually be /better/ in smaller cases due to higher maintained pressure. I recommend a used Radeon 6950 2GB -- they're very powerful cards and can be had for $150 or so now. $35 for HSF, $150 for GPU, leaves you with about $120 for a nice case. There are tons of great optiions in that price range.
 
Hmm that does sound promising. I can't seem to find a 6950 for less than $230 though. As for the heatsink, I was talking about what Stratosrally was saying when he suggested the other PSU and HSF. I will strongly consider going that route on the corsair HSF though. I didn't know The hyper 212 doesn't come with the hardware for the LGA 775. Newegg says it supports the 775 so I guess I just assumed since it says it's compatible that it would work. Also the reviews on the 212 Werner very good as well.

Maybe getting a cheaper case, HSF, and a new GPU would be the best bet. Just to add to this...I think my 7950GT gave out today as well.
 
Maybe I misread the 212 page -- if it says 775 compatible it should be fine. I've been posting too much with little to no sleep lately.
 
Go with Lian Li cases, period. They are extremely built well, they are made out of aluminum with the exception of the Lancool series, and they have hands down one of the best simplistic, non-materialistic designs for cases besides Silverstone. Usually, the case that you choose will often be the object that you will notice the most. If you decide to get a case that just looks cool because it has tons of LED's, looks like a Gundam Wing design, you might get tired of it in a few months. Go with a simple look because a case is something you often have the most potential to re-use in future builds. There is no reason for you to buy one case this month and 6 months later, buy another one. Also, aluminum is very easy to modify unlike steel. Keep that in mind as well.
 
Fayt19 said:
Ok I understand that my whole setup is pretty much trash at the moment. The PSU I have now is pretty decent. It's a 550w and should hold its own till I get a better setup. I just don't understand the point of buying a low end case and a bad HSF will do for me. Basically as I've mentioned, I have a $300 budget and I want to buy stuff that will be used on my future build later. Simply saying the the Hyper 212 is too much for my bad CPU doesn't make sense since it will be used on my next build. Also buying a $50 or less case seems like a waste as it would most likely be replaced on my new build.

I would just like to get the most I can now so it's less I have to get later on you know? I'm not only trying to solve my overheating issue but also take a step torwards my next build and buying future proof stuff like a decent case.

Why would getting a good big case be a terrible idea for my bad parts? I do plan on replacing them. If this is truly a bad move then what's the best thing for me to do with a $300 budget?
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Sorry - I just gave my opinion which is what this thread asked for. I wasn't trying to cause a commotion - I just really haven't ever seen a thread where someone was planning on throwing a system that they just described as you did into a $200 case!

I'd do things in the order that I described because the best way for you to end up with a higher-perfoming system would be for you to make the one you have now work like it's supposed to and look decent - then down the road you pass it on to your wife & kids and buy yourself a whole new rig all at once. ;)

Just spend the bare minimum now - you said yourself that you only play Minecraft & LoL. Save up, watch the prices on higher-end components keep dropping like they always do - and by the time you have a decent budget there may even be something new out that you'd rather have than the Switch.

BTW - the Rosewill cooler isn't a "bad" HSF - just not an exciting looking one. It costs $12 (the same as 2 movie tickets, for example) and would have cooled your processor just fine. People tend to get carried away with these things.

I did respond to silent-circuit's post about how cheap the Corsair cooler was after rebate by agreeing that you may as well get it instead, it's a better deal after waiting however long for the rebate to come in...

Oh and my bad for missing the fact that you already had a 550W PSU, this thread is really starting to get confusing.


silent-circuit said:
No, the Hyper 212 isn't better than the Corsair, it's on par or slightly worse. It also doesn't include LGA775 hold-down hardware, so it is incompatible with your current system. For these reasons you should not buy it. Period. I'm not suggesting you get a worse HSF, I'm suggesting you get one that will work.

With a quality 550w PSU I'd recommend you get a nice HSF like the Corsair, a cheaper case, and a new GPU. I ran dual 4890s on a Q6600 system and it ran 90% of what I can now, so a better GPU is not completely wasted and can be moved over when you rebuild. No reason to go full tower unless you think you'll end up with multi-GPU and lots of HDDs, otherwise you're just wasting space, airflow can actually be /better/ in smaller cases due to higher maintained pressure. I recommend a used Radeon 6950 2GB -- they're very powerful cards and can be had for $150 or so now. $35 for HSF, $150 for GPU, leaves you with about $120 for a nice case. There are tons of great optiions in that price range.
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I must say I'm pretty much in agreement with silent-circuit here.

I'd even go out on a limb and recommend a particular case to you - the Corsair 300R. It has been scoring quite well in the reviews as far as how cool it runs at idle and under load and is currently only $69.99 with FREE shipping from NewEgg:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139011

Basically for about $100 total you can have a new case that comes with a couple fans and pick up a big new CPU cooler. I really think you'll like what these few changes will do for the performance and looks of the system.

You'd still have around $200 for a GPU or if your existing GPU is OK you can set this aside for the new system in your future.

Fayt19 said:
Hmm that does sound promising. I can't seem to find a 6950 for less than $230 though. As for the heatsink, I was talking about what Stratosrally was saying when he suggested the other PSU and HSF. I will strongly consider going that route on the corsair HSF though. I didn't know The hyper 212 doesn't come with the hardware for the LGA 775. Newegg says it supports the 775 so I guess I just assumed since it says it's compatible that it would work. Also the reviews on the 212 Werner very good as well.

Maybe getting a cheaper case, HSF, and a new GPU would be the best bet. Just to add to this...I think my 7950GT gave out today as well.
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Again, any stock or similar HSF or cooler is going to be miles better than the setup you have right now.

I'm almost in awe of whatever the heck you're doing with that "statue" (of what, exactly?) keeping pressure on the CPU because it has no thermal paste. I think we all deserve a picture of that posted here for all to see! :confused:

Jeez - and apologies again for the whole PSU thing! I didn't catch that you already had a 550W - you did mention in post #27 that you were thinking about getting a PSU and earlier in the same post you said you only paid $50 for the system.

What with the condition of the case & the HSF being so awful as you said, I guess I just naturaly thought the PSU was a plain silver box, probably some 300/350W no-name thing.



I usually read entire threads before I post, this time I didn't and look where it got me. I just went back and read it from the beginning before writing this reply and it gave me a headache.

I'll leave you guys to it and good luck!







P.S. This is all meant in the very best of humor... really :D:D:D
 
When I bought the system, it's always had heating problems. Then A few months later my 80mm fans broke because I dusted everything out and the fans started rubbing making a very obnoxious noise and I went all phsyco on them. At that same time I removed the HSF and cleaned off the crazy dust that was caked on it. I kind of knew that I had to replace the thermal paste on the CPU but it was too late so I left the old paste on. By doing that it must have left air pockets or something. One of the HSF clips which are plastic...bent when trying to reinstall it as well so I don't think it fully seated. While playing LoL i started to lag the longer I played to unplayable FPS. I reached down and applied pressure to the HSF and it was like magic...my FPS skyrocketed from me pushing down on it....so I wanted to find somehing heavy to put on top of he HSF and the only thing I could find was this plaque statue I got from PCSing from my old base. The base is made from solid marble and it weight about 10lbs easy.

Here is my sad current setup:



My videocard is not currently installed because it overheated last night and the fan died so im trying to figure out what to do with that now..
 
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Oh man... Get a new CPU heatsink and some fresh thermal paste on that thing first. I'd bet even the sub 10 dollar HSFs would be better then what you're rocking now. This guy is cheap and works quite well. Its just kinda fugly.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835200056

Then grab this for your Video Card.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186053

Then grab a pair of these for your exhaust, and you should be fine and dandy in that case for quite some time. These are nice ball bearing fans that will likely outlast all the other fans you have. they also have speed controllers so you can tune them to your listening pleasure.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835200027

All this is much cheaper then a new case and may actually solve your problems. I don't think a case would have done anything for you.
 
Spending $25 on a HSF for that card makes no sense... he could probably get a whole other Geforce 7950 for that.
 
stratosrally said:
I'm almost in awe of whatever the heck you're doing with that "statue" (of what, exactly?) keeping pressure on the CPU because it has no thermal paste. I think we all deserve a picture of that posted here for all to see! :confused:
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So I finally go offline for a few hours, wondering if you will do right by us... and:

BAM!

Fayt19 said:
When I bought the system, it's always had heating problems. Then A few months later my 80mm fans broke because I dusted everything out and the fans started rubbing making a very obnoxious noise and I went all phsyco on them. At that same time I removed the HSF and cleaned off the crazy dust that was caked on it. I kind of knew that I had to replace the thermal paste on the CPU but it was too late so I left the old paste on. By doing that it must have left air pockets or something. One of the HSF clips which are plastic...bent when trying to reinstall it as well so I don't think it fully seated. While playing LoL i started to lag the longer I played to unplayable FPS. I reached down and applied pressure to the HSF and it was like magic...my FPS skyrocketed from me pushing down on it....so I wanted to find somehing heavy to put on top of he HSF and the only thing I could find was this plaque statue I got from PCSing from my old base. The base is made from solid marble and it weight about 10lbs easy.

Here is my sad current setup:

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/3287/img2210la.jpg

My videocard is not currently installed because it overheated last night and the fan died so im trying to figure out what to do with that now..
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:eek::eek::eek: You certainly didn't disappoint! :eek::eek::eek:


You deserve another award statue for best creative use of an award statue.

OMFG.

Wow.

You, sir - are rocking way hard.

When you want better performance there's nothing that will stand in your way!

I thank you from the bottom of my heart for letting us see that...

:D:D:D


(Is that an old Dell case? It looks familiar - I worked production for them for 5yrs a long time ago)
 
Think it's an old Antec / Chieftech case. Not surprised if you saw it used by Dell, they OEM'd for a ton of different companies back in the day.
 
silent-circuit said:
Think it's an old Antec / Chieftech case. Not surprised if you saw it used by Dell, they OEM'd for a ton of different companies back in the day.
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It's those purple plastic fan clips that made me think of it...

I worked for them from 1996 to 2000, started out assembling Dimension desktops and by the time I left I was a process certification administrator for the laptop assemby line, training people and doing quality control.

I still have nightmares!
 
Do you live near Microcenter?
If you do, pick up an AMD board+processor combo. http://www.microcenter.com/specials/promotions/AMDbundlePROMO.html
The FX4100+GB GA-78LMT-S2P is a steal.

If you can get a good bundle deal on an i3 2100 and a board, that will perform slightly better, but you're probably not going to get one of those for less than $150 at best.

Pick up this A-Data 8GB DDR3 kit for $34.99. http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0361035

Pick up the Source 210 for $37.99.
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0378074

Reuse your current PSU, HD and optical.
Spend what you can on a GPU; spend the rest on it.
You should have around $120 left not counting taxes....

According to THG the graphics card in that range to get would either be a 6670 or a GT 440.
MC doesn't have a GT 440 with DDR5, only DDR3. In that case, the 6670 is a better buy. (If you can find a GT 440 with DDR5 for the same price, get that instead.) http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-2.html
This XFX one with 1GB of ram is $77.99. http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0364981

After taxes you'll be around your $300 mark and have a fairly new machine. Once you get more funds, grab a better PSU if you want. Antec VP-450 would be a good baseline at $35 @ Amazon. Hardware Secrets pulled 550 from that PSU....I'd say arguably it's the best PSU <$50. Corsair CX models are nice but they are notorious for having coil whine....so I don't recommend them anymore.

If you DON'T have a Microcenter nearby, keep an eye on NewEgg shell shockers, especially the first one that starts around 8AM. Usually at least once a week, there's a CPU/board/RAM/HD/case combo on there for $200-$250 ish. (AMD's are generally cheaper, but they've had i3 combos around $250-$300 IIRC.
 
Ok well LOTS of information to reply to and lots has happened in the last 5 hours.

First, my friend that sold me this computer for 50$ had a 7800GTX laying around and gave me it. I installed the new GPU, I bought some thermal paste and applied it to my CPU and fixed the clips on the HSF and correctly installed it.I turned the computer on and it booted up first try.

I checked the temperatures and the CPU now idles at 41c and the max ive seen it so far is 50c when i tested out the new GPU on Minecraft. This is obviously a HUGE improvement from the 80c IDLE the cpu was at before.

The GPU temperatures seem to be at 47c and hit a max of 61c in the game. This is also a big improvement from the 92c the 7950GT was hitting..

So NO MORE STATUE! Seems to be very stable now. The only problem now is that the case still has no fans...i dont think it even supports 120mm fans..only the 80mm fans. So I dont think I need a new HSF now.

The case I have i dont think is a Dell, it only supports 80mm fans so I should maybe upgrade it at least for a cheap case.

I just checked to see if there was a microcenter near by and the closest one is in Texas (I live in the middle of New Mexico) so that sucks..



So a couple of questions:

Is the 7800GTX good enough till I upgrade or would it be worth it to buy a HSF for the 7950GT?
Should I try and buy a new case now that the situation has changed a bit?
If I do get a case should I just get a cheap one? Maybe getting 2 cheap 80mm fans for my current case would be better?

As of now, my computer looks like it plays everything I need to...but my case is still trash and the issue needs to be addressed.
 
MacLeod said:
Gotta throw a shot in there for my 500R. Looks great, built great, plenty of features and tons of cooling options and its not too big.
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I spent a long time deciding on a case as heat is a huge annoyance for me and I got the white 500R and I love it. Its a good size, but has great flow and looks slick.
 
Use the 7800 till you upgrade.
I'd wait on the case until you upgrade too.
If your temps remain in check, don't bother with the fans. Just start saving your pennies for your upgrade.
 
Not at all worth spending money on either of those cards, particularly if all you play is Minecraft and LoL. Just drop a few settings and save yourself the cash toward your next upgrade. I doubt you'll notice a /huge/ difference between the two, but the 7800 is slower. Both are dog slow by today's standards though, but luckily both games you play are not very demanding.

I'd grab a $50-150 case you'll be happy with when you rebuild and call it a day for now. Maybe get a stronger GPU with the remainder of your budget if the 7800 doesn't cut it for you.
 
silent-circuit said:
Not at all worth spending money on either of those cards, particularly if all you play is Minecraft and LoL. Just drop a few settings and save yourself the cash toward your next upgrade. I doubt you'll notice a /huge/ difference between the two, but the 7800 is slower. Both are dog slow by today's standards though, but luckily both games you play are not very demanding.

I'd grab a $50-150 case you'll be happy with when you rebuild and call it a day for now. Maybe get a stronger GPU with the remainder of your budget if the 7800 doesn't cut it for you.
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I was thinking the same thing, I just needed to hear it from some other people. Thanks for the help. I think I will just grab a case that will be used for my next build. I tested LoL and minecraft and I can actually play both of the games on max settings. Heck the computer even let me play Skrim on low settings and it was playable. Not bad for a old card. I think everything has been addressed and basically just need to look around for a good case. Still not sure what case I'll end up choosing but in the end I know any case would be better then the one I have now >.<

Thanks again for all the help and helping me through all this craziness lol
 
Glad everything worked out for you - and in the best way possible, for free!

(well, you had to get thermal paste - but that was a given from the get-go...)

:cool:
 
Keep what you have...spend $0 on it other than something necessary to keep it running.
I would not upgrade or buy anything supported by what you have...you would be losing money in the end more than likely.

Fayt19 said:
I just checked to see if there was a microcenter near by and the closest one is in Texas (I live in the middle of New Mexico) so that sucks..
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Sign up for NewEgg emails, they email shell shocker previews every day between midnight and 2AM. Again keep an eye out for the bundle upgrade combo systems, those are usually the 1st deal and they usually end up on Monday or Tuesday. And again I've seen AMD combos for around $200-$250 and i3 2100 combos for around $250-$300 depending on the rest of the parts. Typically it's CPU, board, 4GB-8GB of ram, a HD and a case/PSU combo.

This past Tuesday 7/3 they had a Pentium G620/H61/4GB/500GB SuperCombo for $229 after $35 MIR....ideally you'd be much better with an i3 similar combo for around $50 more and those do pop up every few weeks. (but that'll give you an idea)
Yesterday it was an A6-3500/A55/4GB/500GB SuperCombo LE for $229 after $10 MIR....again, great combo, would definitely be an upgrade for you.
Typically the Intel ones are retail pack CPUs with the stock cooler; the AMD ones usually come with an OEM bare CPU but they throw in a small Thermaltake cooler with thermal paste pre-applied.

Typically the cheapest part of the combo is the PSU because it's included with the case and it's generally a no-name 400w or so but you can at least count on it in the meantime with the dedicated onboard video from the board itself (because onboard only plus devices you're probably only going to pull 200w if that). If I were you I'd save up and buy one of those when one comes around and you have the money. Add a good GPU and possibly upgrade the PSU and you have a solid budget gaming rig. Check THG's "best video card for the money" list when you're ready to buy to help you decide on what GPU to buy. (since those are updated every month)
 
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