Overclocking noob needs help please...

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husker4life

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Im trying to overclock my athlon 64 3000 clawhammer to 2.2 ghz but i cant get thru 3dmark05 once before getting a blue screen. I figure if i cant get at least 2.2 theres no point in doing it at all. Here are my settings in the bios:

FSB 220x10=2200mhz
memory 220
cpu voltage 1.6
mem voltage 2.7
agp voltage 1.5
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Athlon 64 3000+@2.0ghz
Evga 6800GT 400/1100
Asus K8N-E Deluxe S754
1GB PC3200 XMS Corsair
Maxtor DiamondMax 10 300gb
Fortron Bluestorm 500w
Sony FW900 24 inch CRT :D
 
husker4life said:
Im trying to overclock my athlon 64 3000 clawhammer to 2.2 ghz but i cant get thru 3dmark05 once before getting a blue screen. I figure if i cant get at least 2.2 theres no point in doing it at all. Here are my settings in the bios:

FSB 220x10=2200mhz
memory 220
cpu voltage 1.6
mem voltage 2.7
agp voltage 1.5
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Athlon 64 3000+@2.0ghz
Evga 6800GT 400/1100
Asus K8N-E Deluxe S754
1GB PC3200 XMS Corsair
Maxtor DiamondMax 10 300gb
Fortron Bluestorm 500w
Sony FW900 24 inch CRT :D
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What are your other settings, like HTT, HT, ram timings, etc...
 
apcor said:
Are you prime 95 stable for an hour?
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I tryed prime 95 and my puter froze up within 1 minute. Mouse and keyboard wasnt working and cursor was stuck so i had to reboot system.
 
3d mark is really not a good way to test an OC. It will give you performance figures but wont indicate stability. It may not even be your cpu causing blue screens on 3d mark (could be your video card). just run p95 torture test and see how long it lasts.


husker4life said:
Ill try that and see what happens.
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Looks like you are going to have to take it step by step as in the OC stickys if you want to get to your goal. Id have a look at the temperature though. If they are too high the stickys wont matter much.
 
It has to be your RAM. Test it with Memtest. My RAM won't do 220 at all, but you can try by increasing your RAM voltage to 2.8 (or even 2.9) to make sure that it is stable. If that doesn't work, you should try 200 x 11. Your RAM timings are loose enough I believe.I would probably just run my RAM at 200 anyways at stock volts with tight timings, but run the CPU overvolted and overclocked.
 
belmicah said:
It has to be your RAM. Test it with Memtest. My RAM won't do 220 at all, but you can try by increasing your RAM voltage to 2.8 (or even 2.9) to make sure that it is stable. If that doesn't work, you should try 200 x 11. Your RAM timings are loose enough I believe.I would probably just run my RAM at 200 anyways at stock volts with tight timings, but run the CPU overvolted and overclocked.
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My max ram voltage is 2.7 and i cant get the multiplier above 10 thats the max setting in the bios. I dont think my bios has a FSB:RAM divider either, i looked for it couldnt find it.
 
apcor said:
Looks like you are going to have to take it step by step as in the OC stickys if you want to get to your goal. Id have a look at the temperature though. If they are too high the stickys wont matter much.
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I have an arctic cooler on the cpu so my temps are fine and i monitor them to make sure it doesnt go above 60c load.
 
husker, type in google tutorial overclocking, just do a google search its well worth it
 
husker4life said:
I dont think my bios has a FSB:RAM divider either, i looked for it couldnt find it.
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I wouldn't even bother then. Your RAM is obviously your problem. Just find the max of your RAM and set it there and call it good. If you're crashing during Prime thats bad. Does it at least spit out an error?

Run memtest and see if it makes at least 5 passes with no errors and go from there if you still want to overclock.
 
Yes, ram is the problem.

Look for anything to do with your Dram setting and change it from either

DDR400 to DDR333
or
200mhz to 166mhz
or
1:1 to 5:6...

I think those are the only names mobo manufacturers use for RAM dividers...
 
Snotrocket said:
I wouldn't even bother then. Your RAM is obviously your problem. Just find the max of your RAM and set it there and call it good. If you're crashing during Prime thats bad. Does it at least spit out an error?

Run memtest and see if it makes at least 5 passes with no errors and go from there if you still want to overclock.
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Prime 95 just freezes my system no error listed.
 
Arcygenical said:
Yes, ram is the problem.

Look for anything to do with your Dram setting and change it from either

DDR400 to DDR333
or
200mhz to 166mhz
or
1:1 to 5:6...

I think those are the only names mobo manufacturers use for RAM dividers...
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Memclock Value is that it? I can change to 200mhz, 266mhz, 333mhz, 400mhz, default is 200mhz.
 
I have the same ram, about 220 is all I got on stock timings. I lowered my ram divider to DDR333 to get my overclock. Timings at that setting are 3-3-3-7. Volts are stock since I run a 247 FSB, the ram runs at a little less the 200.
 
husker4life said:
Memclock Value is that it? I can change to 200mhz, 266mhz, 333mhz, 400mhz, default is 200mhz.
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Are you sure the default is not 400 for that ram...the is what DDR400 would mean.
 
Tae said:
Are you sure the default is not 400 for that ram...the is what DDR400 would mean.
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Yep your right default is 400 i changed it to 333mhz, here are my settings in cpu-z:
Cpu

Core speed-2200mhz
Multiplier- x10
Bus Speed-220mhz
HT Link-880mhz
Voltage-1.55v
Memory

Frequency-183.3mhz
FSB/DRAM-CPU/12
memory timing- 3-3-3-7

What do i have to change?
 
You say you already have those settings and it is still a problem?

I don't think it is the ram then.

Is this setting correct?...

HT=880mhz

I guessing you meant 800.
 
Tae said:
You say you already have those settings and it is still a problem?

I don't think it is the ram then.

Is this setting correct?...

HT=880mhz

I guessing you meant 800.
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No i raised the bus speed to 220mhz and lowered the ram to ddr333.
The HT is 880 according to cpu-z.
 
So not a Bios setting. Did you lower your HTT? (that is what my mb calls it). It either is a setting of 2x 3x 4x or 5x, but may also be a setting like in my bios defined as 1000, 800, 600, ect.

The HTT Link I think it is called. I had to lower mine to 800(4x).

"The HT is 880 according to cpu-z."

Probably means it is already set to 4x. 4x220 = 880.
 
Tae said:
So not a Bios setting. Did you lower your HTT? (that is what my mb calls it). It either is a setting of 2x 3x 4x or 5x, but may also be a setting like in my bios defined as 1000, 800, 600, ect.

The HTT Link I think it is called. I had to lower mine to 800(4x).

"The HT is 880 according to cpu-z."

Probably means it is already set to 4x. 4x220 = 880.
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I cant change the HT multiplier on this mobo only the cpu multiplier, and yes it must be set at 4x since 220x4=880. My question is setting the bus speed at 220mhzx10 and my memory at 183.3mhz(ddr333)give me fps increase or what? I thought the bus speed and memory should be the same speed.
 
If you can't change the multiplier past 10, or the HT, then set it at 210 x 10 with loose(r) timings on the RAM and call it good. You could try to use a software to overclock like ntune.
 
belmicah said:
If you can't change the multiplier past 10, or the HT, then set it at 210 x 10 with loose(r) timings on the RAM and call it good. You could try to use a software to overclock like ntune.
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I guess thats my only option and i dont want to lower my ram speed to increase to 2.2ghz doesnt seem right. I think the memory and mainboard i got stinks for overclocking i thought the xms series was good oh well. I appreciate everyones help thanks alot. ;)
 
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My question is setting the bus speed at 220mhzx10 and my memory at 183.3mhz(ddr333)give me fps increase or what? I thought the bus speed and memory should be the same speed.
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Not exactly. In the best situation your Ram speed and FSB (or HT) speed should be equal. This is hardly ever the case. You see, right now your CPU is running faster than stock, but your RAM is running slower than stock. 17% slower than stock to be exact (333/400 = .17). Chances are, your RAM speed is pretty much cancelling out the extra speed of your CPU. Raw processing, such as a benchmark will show positive results, but your gaming results will tell a different story. How do we fix this? Boost your FSB up to 240. With a CPU multiplier of 10x, a FSB of 240, your CPU speed will be 2400mhz. Apply the DDR333 divider, which will run your RAM will run at 83% of 240, or about 199... Right at stock.

The DDR333 divider that you chose allows your RAM to run at 83% of your FSB setting. Right now your FSB is set to 220, your DDR speed is sitting at 182mhz (about that at least). Up your FSB and you'll up your Ram speed AND your CPU speed, without going over your RAM's limit.

Your HTT speed IS at 880, which, as you said would indicate that your LDT multiplier (Lightning Data Transfer Multiplier, or the HTT multiplier) is equal to 4x (you're right 220 x 4 = 880).

So, as it stands, with the settings you displayed Prime95 still freezes? If your ram is at 182mhz... And prime isn't running... You either have a problem somewhere else, or Prime is being a bitch. Try Superpi 32M?

The XMS series RAM is really good... What mobo again (forgive my laziness to check if you posted it). It's running at 3-3-3-7... Which are really high. I bet once you get your stability issues sorted out... You'll be able to run them at 2.5-3-3-6... or so. I doubt you could get them any lower anyways.

Something else to consider if the above advice doesn't work is to drop the RAM speed to like, 100mhz (DDR200) using the 1:2 divider and see if you can do prime. You might be limited by something OTHER than the ram if Prime will still REFUSE to run.

Your first post says your Vcore (CPU voltage) is at like... 1.6. That voltage is pretty much reserved for higher overclocks... Make sure your temps are under control eh?
 
Arcygenical said:
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Not exactly. In the best situation your Ram speed and FSB (or HT) speed should be equal. This is hardly ever the case. You see, right now your CPU is running faster than stock, but your RAM is running slower than stock. 17% slower than stock to be exact (333/400 = .17). Chances are, your RAM speed is pretty much cancelling out the extra speed of your CPU. Raw processing, such as a benchmark will show positive results, but your gaming results will tell a different story. How do we fix this? Boost your FSB up to 240. With a CPU multiplier of 10x, a FSB of 240, your CPU speed will be 2400mhz. Apply the DDR333 divider, which will run your RAM will run at 83% of 240, or about 199... Right at stock.

The DDR333 divider that you chose allows your RAM to run at 83% of your FSB setting. Right now your FSB is set to 220, your DDR speed is sitting at 182mhz (about that at least). Up your FSB and you'll up your Ram speed AND your CPU speed, without going over your RAM's limit.

Your HTT speed IS at 880, which, as you said would indicate that your LDT multiplier (Lightning Data Transfer Multiplier, or the HTT multiplier) is equal to 4x (you're right 220 x 4 = 880).

So, as it stands, with the settings you displayed Prime95 still freezes? If your ram is at 182mhz... And prime isn't running... You either have a problem somewhere else, or Prime is being a bitch. Try Superpi 32M?

The XMS series RAM is really good... What mobo again (forgive my laziness to check if you posted it). It's running at 3-3-3-7... Which are really high. I bet once you get your stability issues sorted out... You'll be able to run them at 2.5-3-3-6... or so. I doubt you could get them any lower anyways.

Something else to consider if the above advice doesn't work is to drop the RAM speed to like, 100mhz (DDR200) using the 1:2 divider and see if you can do prime. You might be limited by something OTHER than the ram if Prime will still REFUSE to run.

Your first post says your Vcore (CPU voltage) is at like... 1.6. That voltage is pretty much reserved for higher overclocks... Make sure your temps are under control eh?
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First off thanks for the detailed info i appreciate that, i did try upping the FSB to 240 mhz and the computer refused to boot unfortunately. I had to pop out the battery on the motherboard to set it back to default so it would boot. This was at 1.55 vcore, is it a voltage issue causing it to crap out during the boot process and what voltage should i use if this is the case.

It ran fine at 2.2ghz at 1.55 vcore and the memory at ddr333(183.3mhz) i did try prime 95 for like 5 minutes (i know not nearly long enough) with no errors and the computer booted fine and seemed ok.

UPDATE
I tryed again to get 2.4ghz FSB at 240x10 with the memory set at ddr333(around 200mhz) with the vcore set at 1.6 and again 1.65 still craps out during boot sequence :mad:
 
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