I downloaded some freeware AV program and voila a lot of trojan horses was found. Hell even spy sweeper found much more than my commercial Norman Antivirus! And when Norman Antivirus actually manage to find a virus or trojan horse 50 % of the time it can´t delete it!!
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Norman Antivirus sucks!!
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For freeware try AVG Free Edition. I've been using it for the past 5 day and I already love it. It is a hell of alot better then nortan antivirus. It uses less system resources and from what I've been reading it detects viruses better then most commercial software.
Well i hope that helps you.
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yep, that's what i use too. i like it
also, for your spyware/malware/adware needs, USE SPYBOT S&D.
it's just the industry leader. oh yeah. and it's totally free.
www.safer-networking.net
EDITED: for spelling.
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I second that seconded AVG recommendation. I got rid of my Norton AV and switched over to AVG and online scanning (courtesy of Trendmicro.com).
When I saw this thread I thought you misspelled Norton...never heard of a Norman AV.
When I saw this thread I thought you misspelled Norton...never heard of a Norman AV.
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when you are ready to invest in security software
(recommended if your an occassional tourist on the darkside)
NOD32
TDS-3, Process Guard, Port Explorer & WormGuard
provide the core aps of my security
your runing a firewall I presume?
(recommended if your an occassional tourist on the darkside)
NOD32
TDS-3, Process Guard, Port Explorer & WormGuard
provide the core aps of my security
your runing a firewall I presume?
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I also thought the name was a misspelled Norton since I had never heard of Norman AntiVirus, but they have been in business since 1984...
http://www.norman.com/about_norman.shtml
http://www.norman.com/about_norman.shtml
Yes Norton has a pretty good reputation really but they aren´t on the piedestal anymore?
Anyway I started using AVG 2-3 days ago and now also run Kasperskys. So currently I run 3 antivirus programs and one firewall (that at least seems to work fine also Norman).
And since I run AVG noone of these finds any trojans or virus anymore so you are absolutely right.
Got a lot of Trojan Horses and other crap on my computer.
How does Trojan Horses differ from viruses btw? How dangerous are they?
But AVG I noticed wasn´t all freeware. For the latest version (7) there was only a free evaluation version. So what differs from version 6 to 7?
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http://www.anti-trojan-software-reviews.com/what-is-a-trojan.htm
because there is the potential for a brain to be involved instead of just an automated routine, they are generally considered the most serious security breech
next thing you know your spaming viagra to half the internet
really is funny to see some of the posts here. norton is good whether you realize it or not. the biggest problem most of you have is your personal end using habits. this is where most of your viral infestions are coming from. if you had just a bit of prevention you would make any program more effective.
the first rule on how to maintain protection is avoid viruses and threats. this is your first fault and has caused you to become program paranoid.
second rule you need to realize what a trojan is. which goes to the first rule. a war was won for a reason. think about it.
the first rule on how to maintain protection is avoid viruses and threats. this is your first fault and has caused you to become program paranoid.
second rule you need to realize what a trojan is. which goes to the first rule. a war was won for a reason. think about it.
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the complaint is about norman
which isnt all that bad as far as detection goes
most AV scanners do a poor job against trojans
(historically, they are getting better)
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Eset NOD32 > 24 passes / 3 fails
Symantec Norton Anti Virus > 22 passes / 6 fails
Norman > 22 passes / 10 fails
The Virus Bulletin 100% Award is probably the most widely competed "qualification" among Anti Virus Companies
(they submit for testing)
The VB 100% logo is awarded to anti-virus products that:
Detect all In the Wild viruses during both on-demand and on-access scanning in Virus Bulletin's comparative tests.
Generate no false positives when scanning a set of clean files.
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Habits go along way towards security, but there are those that choose to conduct their security studies with risky behavior by visiting blackhat sites
(best done on a single boxen isolated from any LAN) and others that trial alot of freeware (and sometimes it is compromised)
I happen to fall into both catagories, and yet have not been infected since I adopted my current security protocol over 2 years ago.
Scanners
NOD32 (Widely considered the best AV going, more VB100% awards than any other progarm)
TDS3
Execution Protection\Patches
WormGuard
HTAstop (freeware)
DSOstop (freeware)
WSH Anti-Polymorphism Patch (freeware)
AnalogX Script Defender (freeware)
Monitors\firewalls
PortExplorer
Kerio (freeware)
Taskinfo 2003
RegistryProt (freeware)
Filters
SpyBlocker
Proxomitron (freeware)
Spyware Removal
AdAware (freeware)
SpyBot Search and Destroy (freeware)
HijackThis (freeware)
Checksum
Filehecker (freeware)
Haxial Hash (freeware)
Local Host Proxy
Naviscope (freeware)
Security Checklist W2K
depending on what its role is that may include)
install Service Pack and hotfixes
close the vulnerable NetBIOS ports and cleanup bindings
Cofigure IPSec
Retrict access to LSA info
disable unecessary services
disable Guest account
setup my user account
rename Administrator account
create fake Administrator account (disabled)
enable network lockout of the true Administrator account
Limit the number of logon accounts
Remove the "Everyone" group and replace with "Authenticated Users" shares
disable HTML in e-mail
disable ActiveX
rename shscrap.dll to shscrapold;
install DSOstop
Unhide File extensions, protected files, all files and folders
disable default shares
Enable Encrypted File System
Encrypt the Temp Directory
setup to clear the paging file at shutdown
lockdown the registry
disabling or limiting WHS\VB\Java\Java Scripts (install HTAstop, Script Defender)
disable dumpfile creation
remove insecure subsystems (OS/2 and POSIX)
protect or remove: arp.exe \ at.exe \ cacls.exe \ cmd.exe \ Command.com \ cscript.exe \ debug.exe \ edit.com \ edlin.exe \ finger.exe \ ftp.exe \ pconfig.exe \ Issync.exe \ nbtstat.exe \ net.exe \ Net1.exe \ netstat.exe \ netsh.exe \ nslookup.exe \ ping.exe \ posix.exe \ qbasic.exe \ rcp.exe \ regedit.exe \ regedt32.exe \ regini.exe \ rexec.exe \ rsh.exe \ route.exe \ Runas.exe \ runonce.exe \ telnet.exe \ tftp.exe \ tracert.exe \ Tlntsvr.exe \ wscript.exe \ xcopy.exe
remove the .reg file association from the registry editor
Install and schedual trojan scanner, anti virus and intrusion detection
Install and configure Worm Guard and WHS Anti Polymorphisim patch
configure security policy control
enable auditing (logon, object, privilege, account management, policy, system)
set permissions on the security event log
set account lockout policy
assign user rights
set security options
Test
Run Baseline Security Analyzer (freeware)
Run NessusWX (freeware)
>connect to the internet
Do a remote Port Scan
all depending on how paranoid Im am that day
Security Linkfarm Badly in need of an update
ice, if you READ my post its commentary is about viral infection and the general program paranoia. it is not about norman's free-isp-anitvirus-utility. careful with your corrections.
there is one thing i remember that helen keller said and it has always stuck with me. security is a false belief that man created. i may have said it wrong...but either way it is part of the paradigm.
there is one thing i remember that helen keller said and it has always stuck with me. security is a false belief that man created. i may have said it wrong...but either way it is part of the paradigm.
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Ice Czar
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I did read your post, and since there wasnt much slamin of norton
assumed you where addressing the original, the remainder of my post directly addressed the
to which my response in a nut shell is, nothing ventured nothing gained, I shall not be a wallflower
However appropriate measures should be taken
(especialy employing Win32) if one chooses to walk on the wild side, I am not so naive as to think Im secure, the only secure computer is one thats turned off, encased in cement and guarded by a 19 year old with a rifle
It is truely unfortunate that the soapbox is no longer with the forums or we could take up the finer points of philosophical ruminations like beleif structures and reality
> edit
Pros and cons for admins on visiting hacker sites
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http://ct.com.com/click?q=16-T_njI4clVIRDbfgxirle43OHqTUd
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assumed you where addressing the original, the remainder of my post directly addressed the
to which my response in a nut shell is, nothing ventured nothing gained, I shall not be a wallflower
However appropriate measures should be taken
(especialy employing Win32) if one chooses to walk on the wild side, I am not so naive as to think Im secure, the only secure computer is one thats turned off, encased in cement and guarded by a 19 year old with a rifle
It is truely unfortunate that the soapbox is no longer with the forums or we could take up the finer points of philosophical ruminations like beleif structures and reality
> edit
Pros and cons for admins on visiting hacker sites
alt
http://ct.com.com/click?q=16-T_njI4clVIRDbfgxirle43OHqTUd
may require membership (TechRepublic) which is free
oqvist, comments was not against norton as much as it was for it. i commented that for all in here that if they realize it or not it is good, although a cost. i find it funny when many users have multiple redundant software because of paranoia of viruses and hackers. there is a proper method when using computers. many do not realize this. most do not recongnize that the end user is usally the root of the problem. i did understand your affirmations, your address about norton confused me.
nothing is impregnable......
nothing is impregnable......
I use Nod32, except on my "high risk" darkside rig. (I'm smart enough to have a machine dedicated to the purpose of going places where others fear to tread.) On that rig, I use a very stripped down incarnation of Win98Lite. It is so barebones, that there is little to attack. If the black hats get it, I'll notice right away because the entire rig will run on a Zip disk. It does have ZA and AVG, though. Unfortunately, Nod32 isn't compatible with it.
But didn´t you read either the topic title or Ice Czars reply to your post?
It´s not about Norton it´s Norman! It´s a totally different AV program!
And if you got a broadband connection like I do you aren´t safe just because you aren´t visiting the dark side that is for sure. You do get viruses no matter what sooner or later.
oqvist, your not reading my posts. read the very fist one and think just a little it will come to you. hint: do not selectively read. read it all the way through.
virus infections has nothign to do with broadband. it has to do with the very fact that you have and use a computer. broadband is just one of the means of transmission. it is your very method of usage and knowledge that can prevent infection.
virus infections has nothign to do with broadband. it has to do with the very fact that you have and use a computer. broadband is just one of the means of transmission. it is your very method of usage and knowledge that can prevent infection.
Well now you didn´t read my post again!
here is your qoute:
"really is funny to see some of the posts here. norton is good whether you realize it or not. the biggest problem most of you have is your personal end using habits. this is where most of your viral infestions are coming from. if you had just a bit of prevention you would make any program more effective.
the first rule on how to maintain protection is avoid viruses and threats. this is your first fault and has caused you to become program paranoid.
second rule you need to realize what a trojan is. which goes to the first rule. a war was won for a reason. think about it."
NOOOOORRRRRMMMAAAAAAAAN! not NNNOOOOOORRRRRTOOOON!
Ýes your habits do affect the risk of being infected. Like being connected to the internet regardless of user habits!
So you think you are safe without any AV programs or Spy sweepers? If you just stick to checking your mailbox which in itself is quite risky
So I don´t understand why you try to be smart? Broadband isn´t as safe as using a modem. With a modem you get a separate IP-number each time and you aren´t connected at all time.
You have absolutely no idea what fault I have made except connecting my computer to an internet connection if that in any way may be considered a misstake
Yes I know it´s risky business that is why I use AV programs and firewalles to reduce the risks
The formula:Originally posted by m³ñ
I've wanted to run Win from a zip disk for the longest time, but my zip disk holds important information and is a part of my LAN, so I can't really use it as such.
1) El cheap-o, but good rig. My Asus P5A is the bomb! I run a K6-III 400...OC'd to the max...whatever that is....550-600?
2) Zip drives...Now the lan is happy. Isolate this machine as much as you can, though.
1) little HD...say, a 4.3...I have a couple of Fujitsu ones in my rig.
Get and tweak Win98Lite, but keep notebook. It will take awhile to strip out everything that can be stripped out, but you can get it really lean. Get Firebird, ZA, AVG, hide your IP, and you are all set!
(If you are old, you need Winamp, so you can listen to Diana Krall.)
Originally posted by mosin
The formula:
1) El cheap-o, but good rig. My Asus P5A is the bomb! I run a K6-III 400...OC'd to the max...whatever that is....550-600?
2) Zip drives...Now the lan is happy. Isolate this machine as much as you can, though.
1) little HD...say, a 4.3...I have a couple of Fujitsu ones in my rig.
Get and tweak Win98Lite, but keep notebook. It will take awhile to strip out everything that can be stripped out, but you can get it really lean. Get Firebird, ZA, AVG, hide your IP, and you are all set!
(If you are old, you need Winamp, so you can listen to Diana Krall.)
This might be an interesting adventure... I'm going to have to get another ZIP drive before I try this though... Would I need a ZIP 100 drive or ZIP 250?
LMAO @ the winamp comment.
what you said
me:
me again:
what i said to ice:
i normally do not use quotes. i think it is pretentious. i assume that everyone reads all the commentary of others and see the collective argument. the web site was provided and even a google will tell of the application-which i did see. im not getting smart. i am saying that when you point a finger three are pointing back at you.
since i am not in person to explain my statement to you, this can be understood; your view of my commentary. so do not think i am getting smart. my tone with you was not as your tone with me. im giving you more credit than you are giving yourself.
my philosophical statement has more to deal with the medical idea of universal contamination (this is a osha concept). you have to consider everything is infected. so now we go back to my statements of prevention, etc........
me:
commenting on the usage (extreme, paranoid, and conservative), personal experience, and knowledge
me again:
this is in relation to your comment on NORTON anti virus. it is good if you realize it or not.
what i said to ice:
i normally do not use quotes. i think it is pretentious. i assume that everyone reads all the commentary of others and see the collective argument. the web site was provided and even a google will tell of the application-which i did see. im not getting smart. i am saying that when you point a finger three are pointing back at you.
since i am not in person to explain my statement to you, this can be understood; your view of my commentary. so do not think i am getting smart. my tone with you was not as your tone with me. im giving you more credit than you are giving yourself.
my philosophical statement has more to deal with the medical idea of universal contamination (this is a osha concept). you have to consider everything is infected. so now we go back to my statements of prevention, etc........
A 100 will do fine. You should be able to pick one up for $10-15.Originally posted by m³ñ
This might be an interesting adventure... I'm going to have to get another ZIP drive before I try this though... Would I need a ZIP 100 drive or ZIP 250?
LMAO @ the winamp comment.
By the way, I like Diana Krall...Alanis Morrisette, too. There's something about having women sing to me...even crazy, mad ones, like Tori Amos.
Now some admin will give me the handle "[H]ard's weirdo"
Originally posted by mosin
A 100 will do fine. You should be able to pick one up for $10-15.
By the way, I like Diana Krall...Alanis Morrisette, too. There's something about having women sing to me...even crazy, mad ones, like Tori Amos.
Now some admin will give the the handle "[H]ard's weirdo"
Haha. I might convert a box to run off the Zip drive, and to share it, but I don't know how those files are going to stay... Perhaps, I could put them in a different location (haven't thought about that yet).
I've seen some zip 100 drives local, but they've been expensive ($100+).
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Ice Czar
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Originally posted by mosin
By the way, I like Diana Krall...Alanis Morrisette, too. There's something about having women sing to me...even crazy, mad ones, like Tori Amos.
Now some admin will give the the handle "[H]ard's weirdo"
I'll counter with Charlotte Church's Rendition of Lakme's Flower Duet
now who's weird
if the commentary follows directly, Id agree, if not...
or if there is any room for confusion,
this is a pretty fast forum (more so in [G]H),
so you cant count on everyone reading all the posts
Yeah, you are pretty weird alright. That's for sure.
I'll have to think over that Charlotte Church comment while I'm listening to Jim Kweskin's Jug Band.
Charlotte Church sings well, especially considering that she is only seventeen years old.
I apologize for hijacking the thread. It won't happen again...for awhile.
I'll give you one for free, complete with a Zip disk. You pay actual UPS shipping. Maybe you can send me some CD-R blanks, or something..or not...whatever. PM me.