no point in overclocking

S

smith94672

Limp Gawd
Joined
Jun 3, 2005
Messages
153
In the past, around the days of the original pentium, one was able to overclock the cpu to tolerable limits with typical motherboard and ram. Nothing else needed.

Nowadays, that's no longer the case. To overclock to a higher speed, you generally need a mobo, ram, and cooling fans that are relatively expensive. ( all due to greater heat accumulation and required adjustments to settings, compared to the past )

So what's the point of paying extra money to overclock ? With that additional money, you could have purchased a cpu of a higher stock speed AND have greater stability. Am I missing something here?
 
Don't you have to have that motherboard and ram anyways? You need these two items to build your system, but if you have overclocking in mind people will tend to spend a few extra bucks to get the "better" stuff anyways.
 
You don't need to buy expensive components to oc. You might get better results from more expensive parts but they certainly aren't mandatory. That's the whole beauty of oc'ing. You can buy cheaper parts and then oc them beyond the more expensive ones.
 
Sideroxylon said:
You don't need to buy expensive components to oc. You might get better results from more expensive parts but they certainly aren't mandatory. That's the whole beauty of oc'ing. You can buy cheaper parts and then oc them beyond the more expensive ones.
Click to expand...
agreed, see sig's
 
if I can buy a E6300 for $190 and OC it past the stock speed of a E6800 that costs over $900 then I can buy a lot of "extra stuff" and only need a good HSF to cool it some. That is the point. Well that and OCing is a sport now days too :D
 
I've recently come to the conclusion that whatever speed I can get on the stock cooler is good enough for me.

Why? Several reasons. #1 is cost. #2 is warranty. I'm not about to change the cooler on my eVGA 7900GS and voiding my lifetime warranty just for a few extra mhz.

What about cost? In some situations, cost may not be as much of an issue(the c2d 6300's are oc'ing like mad, haven't seen a processor like that in...forever), but for me it is. I'd have to spend ~$50 on good air, it looks like I'd reasonably need to upgrade my power supply($50-100, depending), and ram wouldn't hurt either($50-100). That's $150-250. I have a feeling that spending $150 to make my A64 3500+ go faster is kinda pointless when I could spend about the same on an opty 175.

It's absolutely not pointless. But I don't spend as much money on the hobby as I used to.
 
Sure for the average person that websurfs and plays solitaire there is no point in overclocking, but for people that play games and encode a lot overclocking pays off to an extent that is indescribable. The extra power makes each encode take far less time, while 10minutes faster might not seem like a lot, take that over 10 encodes and you get a lot of time back.
 
Just a small point. Removing the Stock cooler on an EVGA card does not void the warranty, neither does overclocking. That's only with EVGA of course.
 
Spewn said:
But I don't spend as much money on the hobby as I used to.
Click to expand...

Wow :eek: wish I could say that. I just sell off (at a loss of course) so I can buy some new toys :rolleyes: I do tend to stay one step behind. I can't see paying a grand for a cpu that will be < $400 this time next upgrade time :D
 
Cheap and pragmatic OCing is cool. E6300+entry level board such as DS3 of P5B Vanilla+DDR800 value RAM can allow a 400FSB @ 1:1 with the memory. So, you get roughly a 1000mhz OC on stock cooling and Vcore for a value system. What's wrong with that?
 
Since when is there anything wrong with pushing a piece of hardware past its factory limits?

I mean, I can build a nice E6300 based system for a resonable price. Why cut on my other parts to buy an E6400, when I could use the E6300 and push it to equal that of an E6400, but still have great hardware to back it up?
 
Sideroxylon said:
You don't need to buy expensive components to oc. You might get better results from more expensive parts but they certainly aren't mandatory. That's the whole beauty of oc'ing. You can buy cheaper parts and then oc them beyond the more expensive ones.
Click to expand...

thats the point !!! :D
 
also with these C2D's you can get some nice overclocks on the stock cooler, if I had a good aftermarket cooler I would push it to 3.4ghz...
 
Spewn said:
I've recently come to the conclusion that whatever speed I can get on the stock cooler is good enough for me.

Why? Several reasons. #1 is cost. #2 is warranty. I'm not about to change the cooler on my eVGA 7900GS and voiding my lifetime warranty just for a few extra mhz.

What about cost? In some situations, cost may not be as much of an issue(the c2d 6300's are oc'ing like mad, haven't seen a processor like that in...forever), but for me it is. I'd have to spend ~$50 on good air, it looks like I'd reasonably need to upgrade my power supply($50-100, depending), and ram wouldn't hurt either($50-100). That's $150-250. I have a feeling that spending $150 to make my A64 3500+ go faster is kinda pointless when I could spend about the same on an opty 175.

It's absolutely not pointless. But I don't spend as much money on the hobby as I used to.
Click to expand...


I feel the same way as you about the video card (I have the same card as you by the way, great card) . I am not going to jeopardize the lifetime warranty on the vid card by doing hardware modifications. However I will overclock the card as high as it will go using just the driver software, which is to say 625 MHZ GPU and 1640 MHz memory memory

For the CPU however it is a whole 'nother matter.

For the Intel Core 2 Duo it is most definitely worth it to overclock the $220 E6400 far beyond the performance of the $975 X6800. I only have $830 sunk into my entire system and I can slaughter any non-overclocked X6800.

I take exception to the original post that said the motherboards are real expensive. I have a Gigabyte GS965P-DS3 which was only $134. The 965 motherboards are expensive even the Intel stock boards that do not overclock at all. $135 is not a lot of dough in my opinion. The DS3 is a great motherboard even for people who choose not to overclock it is about as modern as you can get, can boot from any device, and is very easy to set up. Just my opinion of course but seems to be shared by many
 
smith94672 said:
In the past, around the days of the original pentium, one was able to overclock the cpu to tolerable limits with typical motherboard and ram. Nothing else needed.

Nowadays, that's no longer the case. To overclock to a higher speed, you generally need a mobo, ram, and cooling fans that are relatively expensive. ( all due to greater heat accumulation and required adjustments to settings, compared to the past )

So what's the point of paying extra money to overclock ? With that additional money, you could have purchased a cpu of a higher stock speed AND have greater stability. Am I missing something here?
Click to expand...

You have to look at the street prices of the Intel Core 2 Duo processors to make that decision.

The X6800 is 2930 MHz and costs $975 just for the CPU.

Therefore if you can get a lower priced C2D to clock as fast or faster than the X6800 you are ahead of the game wouldn't you agree?

I have a $225 E6400 chip (2130 MHz stock) overclocked to speeds far beyond the X6800. My entire system not just the CPU chip cost me $830 total. So it is definitely worthwhile to clock.

Not only that my system is much cooler running than the stock Intel cooler, by a lot, therefore I am not stressing the CPU as much in spite of the high clock speeds.

As for memory cost, even people who don't overclock may choose to buy fast memory like PC6400 because it performs better at stock CPU speeds.

Just my 2c you are welcome to your opinion of course.
 
Spewn said:
Why? Several reasons. #1 is cost. #2 is warranty. I'm not about to change the cooler on my eVGA 7900GS and voiding my lifetime warranty just for a few extra mhz.
Click to expand...

ur allowed to change stock cooler on evga cards and still maintain warrenty i believe. this is evga only though.
 
You don't need a ridiculously big air cooler to get amazing C2D overclocks. A $20 Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro will keep your temps in check better than the stock cooler, and not much worse than the ones that cost $50-75.

Same with the mobo, I had my DS3 up to 460x7 with a E6300 until my RAM crapped out. I should have gone with a E6400 but that's another story.
 
Because it's COOL .lol Look you either have to be into it or not ! Pushing the envelolpe
of your system will always be fun to those enthusiasts that are in the no (it's a hobby or
it's not ) simple.
 
Your not [H]ard if you don't do all of the following:

1) Overclock something.
2) Void a warranty somehow (See: Overclock something)
3) Fold.
4) Believe Kyle is the reincarnation of a computer god.
5) Watched and laughed at all Mormon/Scientology South Park episodes.
 
Overclocking is a fun hobby for many, so I guess that's one reason to do it.

For some of us it's free speed. Yep, I said it, free. I bought no extra cooling, cheapo ram, and a 105 dollar motherboard. I got my 6300 from 1.86GHz to 2.8GHz (possibly room to go further, but for now I'm fine.). My temps are fine and it's 100% stable. My $190 processor is now about the same as the $500 E6700 (the 6700 runs at 2.66 but has 4MB of cache. I'd say the extra Mhz plus bus speed on mine would make them darn close). How is that not a good reason to overclock?
 
My e6700 is running at 3.33Ghz, and will run at 3.5 if I want to let it run at 65c. Since the e6700 is the top C2D short of the way over-priced extreme CPU's, I had to OC to get more speed. And you must have more speed. Those protiens won't fold themselves. Well, they will, but we cant study them when they do...
 
Fun and to put off a new builds...

I'm still using my Northwood overclocked to 3.4GHz (from 2.8), PC3200 TCCD at PC4000 (just under), new X1950 AGP (620/720) and all on an old 875P chipset. It'll be another year before I need to do a new build. I can play most new(ish) games...

So, to respond to your original point, it is not only fun but also a money saver!!!
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top