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New machine on AS5

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kwmarc

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Just picked up my athlon64 3400+ yesterday, and i got the machine up and running and am noticing that the cpu idle temp is around 37-40C and the load temp is around 47-49C. As i stated in the post this cpu is running on AS5 with the standard AMD HSF. I realize that this isnt a horribly hot temp by any means but i would think that it could be a little bit cooler. I put about a little more than a grain of rice size glop of AS5 on the center of the cpu and thoroughly cleaning the bottom of the coppen HSF with rubbing alcohol.

The machine has been burning in for the last 24 hours and i am still getting the same temps. Could AS5 need a little more time to burn in, or should i take the cpu and remove some excess AS5 or just leave it alone? Btw, the case is a CoolerMaster Praetorian case and its ambient temp is solid at 29C.
 
I'd leave it there, let it burn in for a day more or so. Run some benches to test out components and see if your temps are better then. Even though they aren't all that bad right now I'd say. Especially since the a64's run a bit hot if I'm not mistaken.
 
My A64's 10C cooler than that and still running 50mhz faster, I'd make sure the as5's had time to burn in.
 
As per AS's website, AS5 takes 200hrs to burn in (@ load).

run some SiSoftware Sandra CPU-burn in goodness overnight.
 
maybe a new HSF would help too

try the zalman CNPS7000Cu - works with Socket 754 and 940
 
But still, i *should* be around 34-36C idle and around 40-44C at load. After doing some wav to mp3 conversation, some TFC, and some 3dmark im hitting 50C. Isnt that a little high?

When i put the AS5 on i put a little more than a grain of rice worth in the middle of the cpu. Then i put the HSF on. Should i have spread the AS5 around? I thought you just dab it in the middle and it evens itself out during burn in?
 
Make sure you let it cool to room temperature occasionally, it doesn't burn in right unless it goes through a few heat/cooling cycles.
 
Originally posted by kwmarc
But still, i *should* be around 34-36C idle and around 40-44C at load. After doing some wav to mp3 conversation, some TFC, and some 3dmark im hitting 50C. Isnt that a little high?

When i put the AS5 on i put a little more than a grain of rice worth in the middle of the cpu. Then i put the HSF on. Should i have spread the AS5 around? I thought you just dab it in the middle and it evens itself out during burn in?
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idk, i always thought spread it around..?
 
It’s difficult if not impossible to accurately compare temperatures between two different systems. Have a look at this example. Even though the example was done with an Intel CPU, the method for measuring the core temperature is the same method used with the Athlon 64. Using the same CPU and the same heatsink, there was a 14C difference in CPU temperature between two different motherboards. The only valid temperature comparisons are before and after temps used to track modifications or changes to the cooling apparatus in the same system.

Colin Thompson
Arctic Silver, Inc.
 
what is yor room temp? i ask cause your ambient seems really hot to me. try cable management.
 
Originally posted by Mr. Thompson
It’s difficult if not impossible to accurately compare temperatures between two different systems. Have a look at this example. Even though the example was done with an Intel CPU, the method for measuring the core temperature is the same method used with the Athlon 64. Using the same CPU and the same heatsink, there was a 14C difference in CPU temperature between two different motherboards. The only valid temperature comparisons are before and after temps used to track modifications or changes to the cooling apparatus in the same system.

Colin Thompson
Arctic Silver, Inc.
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wow, for a company rep, you sure have posted alot in these forums (2539 times to be exact) - you sure your not using up company time for this? :p
 
the room temp is on the warm side, but the temp inside is the best that i can do. I have routed the cables the best way possible and thats as low as i can get with a machine powered by a 430watt antec pws, athlon64 3400+, Asus radeon 9800XT. Those components draw quite a bit of power and give off tons of heat, but i guess thats the price i pay. As far as cooling from the case goes i have a coolermaster praetorian case. Came with 2 80mm coolermaster fans in the front, 1 80mm at the top, and 1 80mm fan in the back. Im just hoping the AS5 needs more time to burn in, :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by kwmarc
the room temp is on the warm side, but the temp inside is the best that i can do. I have routed the cables the best way possible and thats as low as i can get with a machine powered by a 430watt antec pws, athlon64 3400+, Asus radeon 9800XT. Those components draw quite a bit of power and give off tons of heat, but i guess thats the price i pay. As far as cooling from the case goes i have a coolermaster praetorian case. Came with 2 80mm coolermaster fans in the front, 1 80mm at the top, and 1 80mm fan in the back. Im just hoping the AS5 needs more time to burn in, :rolleyes:
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you should mod that case, put 1 120mm in front, 1 120mm on top, and at least 1 92mm back, with 1-2 120mm on side, THAT would have some great airflow, without the loudass noise from fans like the smartfan 2
 
Originally posted by kllrnohj
wow, for a company rep, you sure have posted alot in these forums (2539 times to be exact) - you sure your not using up company time for this? :p
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LOL, I have worked for Arctic Silver for a little under a year now. If you could turn back the forum time machine, you would find lots of posts on volt mods, pelts, etc. I would like to think the quality of my posts in forums like the [H] is one of the reasons Arctic Silver hired me. ;)

Colin
 
Just for reference I have an A64 3400+ on an ASUS K8V Deluxe running at stock speeds and the stock HSF and AS5. The AS5 took a few days of full heat cycles (running under load then cooling down to room temps). The AS5 manual states that the compound needs around 200 hours of full load heat cycles to become fully effective. Give it time. At first only my idle and mild load temps dropped while my load peaked at 49C, but after a while the full load temps dropped as well. I'm now idling around 30C and peaking at 45C after hours of non-stop gaming or benchmarks. I've only had it on for 12 days.
 
Originally posted by Mr. Thompson
LOL, I have worked for Arctic Silver for a little under a year now. If you could turn back the forum time machine, you would find lots of posts on volt mods, pelts, etc. I would like to think the quality of my posts in forums like the [H] is one of the reasons Arctic Silver hired me. ;)

Colin
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fun fun, congrats to ya
 
einsig, thanks for the infor and btw do you play CS or TFC? I have noticed a slow down with my machine when playing those particular games, also i am only getting a 6600 on 3Dmark03. I was hoping for 7000 or higher. What are your scores. I am running same machine as you but with an Asus Radeon 9800XT.

For some reason CS and TFC run slower than they should maybe this is because they are older DX8.1 games? Enlighten me.
 
Originally posted by kwmarc
einsig, thanks for the infor and btw do you play CS or TFC? I have noticed a slow down with my machine when playing those particular games, also i am only getting a 6600 on 3Dmark03. I was hoping for 7000 or higher. What are your scores. I am running same machine as you but with an Asus Radeon 9800XT.

For some reason CS and TFC run slower than they should maybe this is because they are older DX8.1 games? Enlighten me.
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got the latest drivers? and i remember hearing something about CS having a max fps..........
 
I've heard that the new drivers totally fu.ck up the performance on ALL OpenGL-based games. For most people, those games wouldn't work at all with newest drivers. I've heard numerous stories of people downloading the driver update, and having to de-grade, because they couldn't play some of their favorite games.
 
Originally posted by M4d-K10wN
I've heard that the new drivers totally fu.ck up the performance on ALL OpenGL-based games. For most people, those games wouldn't work at all with newest drivers. I've heard numerous stories of people downloading the driver update, and having to de-grade, because they couldn't play some of their favorite games.
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with what drivers? i haven't had anyprobs with catlyst 4.1, 4.2, OR 4.3
 
Originally posted by kwmarc
einsig, thanks for the infor and btw do you play CS or TFC? I have noticed a slow down with my machine when playing those particular games, also i am only getting a 6600 on 3Dmark03. I was hoping for 7000 or higher. What are your scores. I am running same machine as you but with an Asus Radeon 9800XT.

For some reason CS and TFC run slower than they should maybe this is because they are older DX8.1 games? Enlighten me.
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Some open GL games have slowed a little with the more recent ATi drivers, but nothing noticeable. I haven't played CS or TFC for a while now but I do have it installed. I'll play some CS and let you know. Overall things seem to be better with the 4.3 catalyst though. My 3Dmark03 score is in the low 6000's at stock 9800 Pro speeds, so your XT score seems about right perhaps a tad low. Do you have fast write enabled? Not sure if it has an effect on OpenGL games, but it is worth a shot. Also what is your graphics aperature size set to? If you have enough system RAM bump it up to 256. That helped my 3Dmark03 score. Oh, and of course make sure you have AGP 8x enabled.
 
setting the aperarture size matters these days? What can i benefit from if i increase it to 256mb? I have a gig of corsair xms ULL mem, so i am sure i could put the aperature size up that high but why would that increase performance. My 3dmark score now is up to 6600.
 
btw, einsig what "stepping" of the 3400+ do you have? My CPU-Z test is showing that i have stepping "8"? What does this mean? A more refined version, better cooling?
 
Originally posted by kwmarc
btw, einsig what "stepping" of the 3400+ do you have? My CPU-Z test is showing that i have stepping "8"? What does this mean? A more refined version, better cooling?
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as far as i know, that doesn't mean anything, steppings are usually determined by looking at the physical chip (like AXDQA and such)
 
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