Need some suggestions!

[kan1che]

Ok, first off, Hello all!

I want some suggestions to build a Water coolign system. I've been reading on this forum, and I see a lot of discussions about Aqua Computer vs Danger Den, Swiftech and other american companies... In my understanding Aqua Computer, is about looks right? and those american are about performance?

So I would like a system like: performance > noise > looks

So, I started to look prices, and reading some posts... First I went to Sharka because everybody says it's so great... I went to the AC site, and major was my surprise when I saw a block (cuplex something) for 110$... I said oh my gosh!. Then I went to another site, frozencpu, and I saw some Danger Den and Switftech blocks for 40-50$, so I said, if I can get the same performance, SCREW AC!

So now, what I pick up was:
Swiftech 6002 - 45$
Danger Den Maze4 Acetal - 45$
A bay Res: 9$
Thermochill HE120.2 - 100$
And a Eheim1048 - 70$

Total: 269$ + ship

If you give me ONE (1), one reason to get a AquaComputer (dont tell me because it looks nice), I'll consider about spending $400 for an AC setup...

All sugestions are welcome~

-kan1chEEE

 

[yang88she]

I suggest the swittech gpu wb as well, and depending if you want to stay 3/8" I would recommend the mcp655, it's pretty quite and performs well

 

[ikellensbro]

I hope you havent bought all of that yet, because youre getting ripped off on the 1048. For that price, you can get an equally guiet, and much smaller Laing DDC, aka Danger Den DDC/Swiftech MCP 350, that will run off of your power supply, without the need for an external cord. If you want a cheaper pump, then Hydors are pretty good options, as they give more flow per $ than Eheims, but do run a little louder. I hope you made sure everything had 1/2" fittings, otherwise youre going to need to get some adapters, but youd still be losing flow from smaller fittings.

If youre still going for quiet, then consider a Black Ice Pro II for $65, while the Thermochill is a nice rad, it is more expensive, and not purely designed for lower cfm lower dba fans. Another thing you need is tubing, and 10' of Clearflex60 will run you about $10 shipped.

p.s. You can probably expect better performance than an AC setup, for much less of course

 

[plywood99]

Excellent choices you made for your system. The only suggestion I have is a more powerful pump, like the Swifty 655. But the Eheim will serve you fine.

 

[kan1che]

Ok thanks for the repplies.

haven't bought anything at all. Well... I need something quiet but powerfull, I don't care if it is a litle noisy. I found two pumps, let me know what should I get:

http://www.sharkacomputers.com/hyl35cewapu4.html
http://www.frozencpu.com/ex-pmp-31.html

I think the hydor is the way to go no?

About the rad, I like thermochill, but if it is going to be so noisy, I'll just get something cheaper and mount it in the top of my case. About the tubing, yes I forgot to put it there, I'll get some Tygon tubing.

Now the setup looks like:

Swiftech 6002 - 45$
Danger Den Maze4 Acetal - 45$
Bay resevoir: 9$
Thermochill HE120.2 - 100$ (If I can't afford it I'll just go with the Black Ice)
Hydor L35 - 55$
Tygon tubing 10' - I'll look for better prices on mcmaster.

More sugestions are welcome!

 

[Top Nurse]

In my understanding Aqua Computer, is about looks right? and those american are about performance?

No we are all about performance. It's just that some people are in to different types of performance. The BIB group are like what I call the Top Fuel Funny Car crowd. The only thing they are interested in is flat out water cooling performance. The cooler the better period. Makes for interesting lab results that they all can ohh and awe about.

Then there are the rest of us who are average drivers who are interested in looks, mileage, and drivability. This group really doesn't care about whether their rig will cool the best, or is cost efficient in terms of thermal transference. What this crowd really desires is a good looking computer, cools good enough that they can OC to the best ability of their machine, and doesn'ty cost an arm and a leg to run the dang thing. The actual cost of the car or water cooling rig is blase' because they aren't planning on keeping the thing around forever anyway and will undoubtedly trade up for something else in a year or so. Just like people trade their cars in for newer models. You just have to come up with the down payment so to speak and then you are set to go from there on in.

So, I started to look prices, and reading some posts... First I went to Sharka because everybody says it's so great... I went to the AC site, and major was my surprise when I saw a block (cuplex something) for 110$... I said oh my gosh!. Then I went to another site, frozencpu, and I saw some Danger Den and Switftech blocks for 40-50$, so I said, if I can get the same performance, SCREW AC!

Again the issue is what type of performance you are interested in. And I should point out that an Aqua Computer rig isn't for everybody. However, if you are an aficionado of high tech computer stuff then you will fit really well in the groove. Aqua Computer is like a marriage of style, engineering, electronics, and performance. There are very few who will not tell you that Aqua Computer is the best looking stuff on the planet. There is no other company that provides such an advanced degree of mechanical and electronic engineering to the total product. You just have to look at the Aqua Computer block and reservoir designs to know that these boys don't follow the same parade as everyone else. Take a look at the Aquaero and see what it can do for you! Calling it a fan controller is like calling an ICBM a skyrocket. Take a hard look at the Aquastream pump and you will see an engineering marvel as it really is an AC pump driven by DC off the PSU. It changes the speed of the pump flow by actually changing the basic electrical AC signal in hertz!

If you give me ONE (1), one reason to get a AquaComputer (dont tell me because it looks nice), I'll consider about spending $400 for an AC setup...

I think I have given you several reasons to use and own an Aqua Computer water cooling solution. Now you just have to decide if you want to drive a Porsche or a Ford Explorer? Both will get you to the same place. One will get you there in style. Read the last line in my sig and it's your decision.

One other minor point. The resale value of Aqua Computer gear is right up there fairly close to retail. The BIB stuff doesn't hold its value on the used market in relative comparison. Maybe there's a reason

 

[strwrsxprt]

Great, I get to follow up TN's inevitable AC reply What are your system specs? Make sure to get some copper ramsinks with that GPU WB if you're planning on overclocking your video card. You also might want to consider a heater core. It'll save you some cash and might actually have better performance than a prefab rad. Good luck.

 

[Dregan]

I like the previous sugestions on pumps. However, I've been looking at these ones lately. I know, don't trust everything you read on the net. But check out the review.

http://www.c-systems.ca/

 

[plywood99]

I like the previous sugestions on pumps. However, I've been looking at these ones lately. I know, don't trust everything you read on the net. But check out the review.

http://www.c-systems.ca/

I just ordered their new pump the Mag, should be here by wed. The review is actually for their old pump the 750. The new mag is supposed to be a truly excellent pump, from what i've read of users who have it.

I'll post a review and what not when mine comes in....

 

[BellaCroix]

My first WC rig (the test rig because I was worried about putting water in my computer) was all DD kit. Was cheap, did the job, was easy to source and purchase.

My first car was a 1984 Oldsmobile Cutlass Cierra (which I bought in 1989) because I wanted a safe, reliable, easy to maintain car.

Now I'm sourcing "The Bastard Child of Innovatek and AC" because I care as much about performance as I do looks and have enough experience (I hope) to assemble a good looking, high performance system.

Now I drive a 2003 Dodge Intrepid (which I bought new) and a 1981 Chevrolet (bitchin') Camaro which has been heavily modified because I can afford it and because I'd like to get where I'm going in style, comfort, and with a little (or a lot in case of the Camaro) more performance.

Is there anything wrong with people driving Tempos and Escorts (except that they drive Fords, ewwwww ), I guess not. I'd just rather not do it myself.

I don't remember who's sig it is but I've adopted it as part of my mantra: "The best revenge is living well".

 

[Top Nurse]

I like the previous sugestions on pumps. However, I've been looking at these ones lately. I know, don't trust everything you read on the net. But check out the review.

http://www.c-systems.ca/

Aren't these the guys who have been getting flamed lately about their lousy products?

 

[Pooky]

Ok, first off, Hello all!

I want some suggestions to build a Water coolign system. I've been reading on this forum, and I see a lot of discussions about Aqua Computer vs Danger Den, Swiftech and other american companies... In my understanding Aqua Computer, is about looks right? and those american are about performance?

So I would like a system like: performance > noise > looks

So, I started to look prices, and reading some posts... First I went to Sharka because everybody says it's so great... I went to the AC site, and major was my surprise when I saw a block (cuplex something) for 110$... I said oh my gosh!. Then I went to another site, frozencpu, and I saw some Danger Den and Switftech blocks for 40-50$, so I said, if I can get the same performance, SCREW AC!

So now, what I pick up was:
Swiftech 6002 - 45$
Danger Den Maze4 Acetal - 45$
A bay Res: 9$
Thermochill HE120.2 - 100$
And a Eheim1048 - 70$

Total: 269$ + ship

If you give me ONE (1), one reason to get a AquaComputer (dont tell me because it looks nice), I'll consider about spending $400 for an AC setup...

All sugestions are welcome~

-kan1chEEE

So you said "screw AC" because one block had a high price tag? I can think of quite a few 3/8" or 1/2" ID parts that will cause sticker-shock, from Danger Den no less $70 for an Eheim 1048? A DDC is a little less, so why not grab that instead? Perhaps you'd rather have a Laing D5?

Only you can decide which components to use, so if you don't want to use XXX, why should anyone make it their job to convince you otherwise?

 

[plywood99]

Aren't these the guys who have been getting flamed lately about their lousy products?

Yes, they received plenty of heat concerning the 750 series pumps. The Mag is a totally new design. Reading posts of those who own the Mag on Procooling, seems like the pump to beat, good flow, miniscule size, only around 3 watts of heat dumped into water, and dead silent operation.

 

[Top Nurse]

Yes, they received plenty of heat concerning the 750 series pumps. The Mag is a totally new design. Reading posts of those who own the Mag on Procooling, seems like the pump to beat, good flow, miniscule size, only around 3 watts of heat dumped into water, and dead silent operation.

Well I suppose I will have to try one after they have been on the market a while to see if they really bear up to the scrutiny. I have been looking for a small pump like this to cool off my hard drives and was considering the Timmer.

 

[kan1che]

Well... I first wrote a really nasty post about AC, but I didn't read the Top Nurse's post right and some things make me change my mind. I did some research in these forums about the Aquaero and the Aquastream and I read some reviews, I find out AC worth the money for real (even when some others blocks and stuff can own 'em, but not in looks and ingeneering)...

Now I am thinking on going with AC stuff, not because it looks good, because it looks like it worth it.

Me looks wallet = me

Gonna have to start working hard again!

Thanks TN and I am going with some AC just to give it a try ...

 

[Top Nurse]

Well... I first wrote a really nasty post about AC, but I didn't read the Top Nurse's post right and some things make me change my mind. I did some research in these forums about the Aquaero and the Aquastream and I read some reviews, I find out AC worth the money for real (even when some others blocks and stuff can own 'em, but not in looks and ingeneering)...

Now I am thinking on going with AC stuff, not because it looks good, because it looks like it worth it.

Me looks wallet = me

Gonna have to start working hard again!

Thanks TN and I am going with some AC just to give it a try ...

You won't regret it