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Need OC input for upgrade

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Emret

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I'll be upgrading next week.. Im a semi-noob when it comes to oc so please help !


CPU

P4 3.0C.. Im aiming to overclock to 3.4~3.6, would the stock HS/F be enough for the job? If not could you recommend me a cheap and decent HS/F... I dont want to spend more than $30 on a hs/f combo unless its utterly necessary

Also, I was wondering if overclocks hurt system stabilty with HT on.. The only reason I am getting a P4 is to use HT with rendering videos etc, if I cant use HT with overclocks then I might as well not bother with getting better memory/hsf and stay at stock speeds


Mobo
IC7-G MAXII ADVANCE $148 on newegg.. how this mobo for overclocking ?

I like the 6 sata ports, not the mention my current mobo is an Abit also.. Im open to any other suggestions.. I could probably go a little higher if theres a significant difference between a more expensive mobo other than extra features


Memory 1GB dual channel
Ahh, yes.. I really have no idea what to get.. As I said I would like to O'C around 3.4~3.6 and I want a good performance from games... I need suggestions on this the most.. I am willing to spend some money on this.. aruond $200 or a little higher


thanks !
 
MEMORY:
I had some Mushkin PC3200 "Basic Green" that I got to run at 450MHz (PC3600), 2-4-4-8. Best deal I've ever had. I'm using OCZ's basic "PC3700 EL" right now and it's crapped out at 472MHz, rated at 466MHz. A 5:4 divider would get you a very nice OC. If you're crazy get something like PC4000 or PC4400 or something. The timings are useless on those sticks though, like 3-4-4-11 or something, probably no faster than standard PC3700 at tighter timings.

CPU:
I've also got the 3.0C. It's a great chip, mines a SL6WK, D1 Malay, does 3.54GHz stable with the stock cooling and voltages at Vcore=1.5375 and 51'c after 3 hours of prime95 "blend" test. I like to keep it cool, so I haven't pushed it much farther, but I did get some impressive Sandra marks when I had it at 3.59GHz. A 3.6GHz OC would probably not be too hard. I've never had a problem with HT hampering system stability. Some have had problems with it though, and it's always a DOA chip, they've all RMA'd them with success.

MOBO:
I hear that's one of the best around. Personally, I got mine refurbed from newegg for $54USD and it does everything the IC7 or P4P800DX does. IMO, the i875 chipset is overrated, you get get the same performance from a 865 chipset that supports PAT functions (called MIB on Gigabyte, other board makers have other names for it).


EDIT: I would suggest getting a retail CPU instead of OEM. I've had one XP 2000+ and two XP 2500+, they were all OEM. None of then OC'd worth a damn. Got my 3.0C retail and I get almost a 600MHz OC on stock cooling.
 
Originally posted by Jimmers
EDIT: I would suggest getting a retail CPU instead of OEM. I've had one XP 2000+ and two XP 2500+, they were all OEM. None of then OC'd worth a damn. Got my 3.0C retail and I get almost a 600MHz OC on stock cooling.
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that isn't too helpful since your comparing two seperate companies - and (not questioning your skill) might not have OC'ed the AMD quite as good as you could have, since you get to play with multis and such
 
600 Intel Mhz = 400 AMD Mhz, don't forget that.

Amd cpu does more per clock cycle & the Mhz resulting from fsb x multi is MUCH MORE efficient & meaningful.

IE. An amd cpu will GAIN more being overclocked 500 Mhz MORE then an Intel being overclocked 650 Mhz.
 
Well the XP2000+ I unlocked the multiplier and could only get 120MHz out of it. The first 2500+ I had was hardlocked and I didn't feel like going through all the trouble that I did with my 2000+, so I just played with bus speeds. That got me next to nothing, even on a 400FSB mobo and good RAM. The second 2500+ I had I unlocked the multiplier and got close to 200MHz.

Now, assuming AMD's 9 Instructions per clock (IPC?) and Intel's 6 instructions, I would have to have gotten one of the OEM AMD's to OC about 420MHz to equal what I've gotten from my retail 3.0C.

Actually, if I remember right, the first 2500+ I had was also retail. So I guess it doesn't matter whether the chip is retail or OEM as far as overclocking goes.
 
I'll be getting the retail if the after market hs/f is not necessary.. I like the 3 year warranty

as i said im willing to spend $200 or a little more.. what speed/brand memory would you suggest... i heard things about bh-5 chips, are they still available ?
 
3.0C to 3.4~3.6 with a stock HS/F might be ok, but I guarantee you will be getting some very high temp's when you’re gaming.

HS/F: Zalman 7000cu.

Memory: Mushkin Level II 512x2 PC3200.

Motherboard: IC7-G MAXII ADVANCE is a good choice, stay with it.

If I were you I would kill the Pentium and get an AMD processor with an ABIT nForce2 motherboard and OC that processor to the max. :D
 
Originally posted by Emret
I'll be getting the retail if the after market hs/f is not necessary.. I like the 3 year warranty
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The stock HSF will do you just fine at 3.6GHz. At 3.54GHz I get under 50'c gaming and slightly over 50'c in prime95 with the stock HSF. As for the memory, go with the suggested Mushkin. They're a killer brand.
 
if you think about percentages, if you get a P4C 3.0GHz and a vapochill XE, you will probably get around, say... 4GHz.

4GHz / 3GHz = 33.3% overclock

my Athlon XP 1800+ ( $50 at the beginning of last year ) with air cooling is getting 2.2GHz with quiet air cooling. This isnt taking into account that I nearly doubled the FSB either.

2.2GHz / 1.53GHz = 43.8% overclock.
 
A64 blows away the P4's & Barton's.

Don't kid yourself, buy an A64 & see for yourself. If you REALLY want an upgrade!
:)
 
hehe A64 is tempting but... i really like the hyper threading stuff... and i will be doing whole alot of video encoding (i still have dvd projects pending because i didnt wanna spend 40+ hours encoding a 1 hour live show !!)

Anyways, I still have a stick of the corsair xms pc3200 rams.. Maybe i could get another to pair up to 1gb ??

Also couldnt find the mushkin ram you recommended on newegg site.. is there any other good places to get it ?
 
The 3.0 isn't bad, but you can save a few bucks and pickup an M0 stepping 2.8. I have the IC7-G and it runs 250FSB with no problems at all. You can get more Corsair and run 5:4 divider with a good heatsink. When I first got mine I ran with an Alpha PAL before switching to H2O, but it just ran a little hotter. PC4000 is also very expensive to justify, but might be important for video editing. The post above about being slower than tighter timing 3700 with a divider is WRONG though. 1:1 is faster than 5:4 even with 3:4:4:8 timings - and the Corsair PC4000 runs at 2.5:4:4:7 anyway. The M0 will also run at 250MHz FSB at 1.550 volts in BIOS - which is only about ~1.525 anyway. Even with the Alpha my temps were never above 52 degrees when benchmarking. I now get low 40's with H2O when running SuperPI or Prime95.
 
Originally posted by Emret
I'll be getting the retail if the after market hs/f is not necessary.. I like the 3 year warranty
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yeah, if you overclock, your warrantee goes out the window, so i don't know how much that is gonna help ya

and for vid editing, go 64bit, athlon64 3000 is about $200 + a $100 mobo, 3200 at newegg i think is only about $250 (maybe not, that is just what i think i remember)

just wait till the 64bit software shows up, and your bound to see an increase

btw, i don't think hyperthreading helps MUCH for anything if your only doing one task..... so if you just start your video encoding, let it sit about 30min (for a 1hr show), it will be done, no matter what high-end proc you get, hyperthreading or no
 
Originally posted by kllrnohj
so if you just start your video encoding, let it sit about 30min (for a 1hr show), it will be done, no matter what high-end proc you get, hyperthreading or no
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I agree, an Athlon XP would do encoding NEARLY as fast as the P4. You dont need a chip made by INTEL to do video encoding.

Look for the best price/performance ratio. Just remember, there are no pentiums that are TWICE as fast as the Athlon XPs. Toms hardware and them make it sound like there is a giant diff, ( it may be to them ) but you AT MOST would be talking about a 30% increase in speed from an Athlon XP 3200+ to a P4EE.

Hyperthreading is also just a marketing gimmick. As far as I can tell from using PC's with HT, it really does almost nothing. It will infact slow down apps, unless they are optimised for it. Remember you're not getting two seperate CPUs for the price of one, you're getting one and cutting it in half.
 
Originally posted by boshi
I agree, an Athlon XP would do encoding NEARLY as fast as the P4. You dont need a chip made by INTEL to do video encoding.

Look for the best price/performance ratio. Just remember, there are no pentiums that are TWICE as fast as the Athlon XPs. Toms hardware and them make it sound like there is a giant diff, ( it may be to them ) but you AT MOST would be talking about a 30% increase in speed from an Athlon XP 3200+ to a P4EE.

Hyperthreading is also just a marketing gimmick. As far as I can tell from using PC's with HT, it really does almost nothing. It will infact slow down apps, unless they are optimised for it. Remember you're not getting two seperate CPUs for the price of one, you're getting one and cutting it in half.
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yup, and the P4EE costs way more than 30% more than an athlon XP 3200+, you could get a whole new sys (64bit even) for the near $1,000 the P4EE costs (and from what i read, most of that cache is wasted if the app doesn't support it specifically)

EDIT: In the review of the FX-53 at hardocp.com, they have a P4C and E (both 3.2ghz) plus the athlon 64 3200 and 3000, and between those 4, in DVD2AVI DivX encoder w/ codec 5.1.1, the athlon 64 3000 smokes both P4s

page is here: http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjAyLDI=
 
i just did the math, and it is cheaper for an athlon64 3000 than a P4 3.0C

P43.0C=226, mobo (IC7)=191

Athlon64 3000=223, mobo (MSI K8T Neo-FIS) 125

all prices from newegg

and the 3000 would be faster
 
Originally posted by kllrnohj
and the 3000 would be faster
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Dude, I disagree. Sure the A64 3000 is faster in some games, but the 3.0c takes first about 50% of the time in games and whomps the A64 in non-game synthetic benches.

http://www.hexus.net/content/reviews/review.php?dXJsX3Jldmlld19JRD03MTcmdXJsX3BhZ2U9MQ==

Also, you listed the price of the IC7 board. While it's a great board, I believe the 875 chipset is overrated, and you get the same performance from a 865 with PAT-esque functions. With a slight OC my board beats the 875 chipset in sandra memory benchmarks. All that and my board cost a slight $54.

So with that, the P4 comes out cheaper and will likely be able to do what he wants to better, especially video editing.
 
Originally posted by Jimmers
Dude, I disagree. Sure the A64 3000 is faster in some games, but the 3.0c takes first about 50% of the time in games and whomps the A64 in non-game synthetic benches.

http://www.hexus.net/content/reviews/review.php?dXJsX3Jldmlld19JRD03MTcmdXJsX3BhZ2U9MQ==

Also, you listed the price of the IC7 board. While it's a great board, I believe the 875 chipset is overrated, and you get the same performance from a 865 with PAT-esque functions. With a slight OC my board beats the 875 chipset in sandra memory benchmarks. All that and my board cost a slight $54.

So with that, the P4 comes out cheaper and will likely be able to do what he wants to better, especially video editing.
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right here at hardocp, ( http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjAyLDQ= ) the athlon64 3000 beats or comes very close to the P4 3.2C/E - and when it wins, it is usually by quite alot (another line up here: http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NTc1LDQ=)

and as for vid editing, in the first review i said, the athlon64 3000 using this encoder: DVD2AVI DivX encoder w/ codec 5.1.1 destroys the P43.2C/E and TIES the P43.2EE
 
I went ahead and ordered the following

p4 2.8c

epox EP-4PCA3+ (upto 12 IDE + 2 SATA.. love it)

Corsair XMS PC-3200

Speed: DDR400(PC3200)
Type: 184 Pin DDR SDRAM
Error Checking: Non-ECC
Registered/Unbuffered: Unbuffered
Cas Latency: 2-3-3-6 1T
Support Voltage: 2.6V
Bandwidth: 3.2GB/s
Organization: 64M x 64 -Bit


I had like exact amount in my bank account for these parts and a PSU but then CPU price went up a buck.. So i couldnt order the 480watt antec PSU.. I`ll get it whenever I can


Since the mushkin 222 special ram I was going to order went up to $315 from $245 in 1 day, I went ahead and ordered a corsair stick to pair with my existing one...

If the ram prices go down in a month, I`ll get a refund for the corsair stick and get a pair of faster ram



I guess I cant expect to OC upto 3.5 with this ram even if the CPU can pull it.. Ill be fine if I get a 3.2 OC out of this...
 
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