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Moving from S@H

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Mournblade

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I'm looking at moving away from SETI@Home. I was content to hold on for SETI2 but it's now 2 years later and it still hasn't arrived and I very rarely read Ars Technica now anyway so I was looking at moving to F@H or something similar. I have two boxes, both 24/7, both Win2K. I've gone through the FAQ and Links but I have a few questions remaining - primarily regarding tools. A small monitoring tool like SetiSpy and a larger queueing program like SetiQueue. SetiQueue might not be as necessary now I have highspeed broadband, but I liked the remote monitoring features (like when I was at work:) and it enabled me to keep working through the outages that Berkeley suffered. Are there tools like that?

Also what is the fastest windows client? In SETI it was the commandline client. Is there a way of hiding the client using a tool like SetiSpy (cmdline client hider + performance/stats monitoring tool)?

Should of switched for Jan 1st - been more symbolic of a new start, etc.
 
Queueing is possible within the F@H program itself. Hopefully, someone has more information on it than I do. EMIII is a good monitoring program. I will provide a link shortly. We hope you join.

EMIII Link: http://www.em-dc.com/

Queue info: (Stanford FAQ )
Can I download more than one unit at a time?

The algorithm we use works best if everybody downloads one work unit at a time, and checks back after each unit is completed, so therefore there is no option to download multiple units. If you have multiple processors in your computer, it is possible to have each processor work on a different unit; see what to do here. Don't try to run two copies on different machines that use the same directory on the same filesystem, either-- they NEED to run in different directories.

The Genome@Home project now supports caching of WUs and the running of FAH WUs. If you want to cache WUs, please select the GAH setting in the client.


 
Running multiple instances is basically the same as using a queue, although all instances are being worked on at once. They should take approx. the same amount of time to finish (in total) as if you were using a queue. In other words if you've got two instances running it'd be like working on one with another in the queue. You can have up to 8 instances running on one machine but you'd need a really fast cpu for that and/or run timeless wu's. A lot of people who run two instances do so in case Stanford goes down or they loose their connection, they have to connect less often.

EMIII is great, the author is on this board. I know there is at least one other monitoring program, probably quite a few but EMIII is pretty much the best.

Welcome aboard.
 
pageian said:
Running multiple instances is basically the same as using a queue, although all instances are being worked on at once. They should take approx. the same amount of time to finish (in total) as if you were using a queue. In other words if you've got two instances running it'd be like working on one with another in the queue. You can have up to 8 instances running on one machine but you'd need a really fast cpu for that and/or run timeless wu's. A lot of people who run two instances do so in case Stanford goes down or they loose their connection, they have to connect less often.

EMIII is great, the author is on this board. I know there is at least one other monitoring program, probably quite a few but EMIII is pretty much the best.

Welcome aboard.
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Multiple instances is not the best answer for a lot of reasons, but I do use it in the case of my laptop because of a few reasons. It takes more overhead management (I run one instance at a time), but it does allow you to manage bandwidth issues.
 
I've deleted my main machines queue and have set the htpc to run itself dry - I'll check on it in 10 days time (expected TOD).

I now have F@H running on my main box. What should I use for the settings of EM3? Also is there a nicer skin available?

Thanks.
 
Mournblade said:
I've deleted my main machines queue and have set the htpc to run itself dry - I'll check on it in 10 days time (expected TOD).

I now have F@H running on my main box. What should I use for the settings of EM3? Also is there a nicer skin available?

Thanks.
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There are skins available on the EMIII site. I don't have the link handy.
 
Just rebooted my PC and I now have the Big Red X on my EM3 suggesting that the protein will not complete in time. According to the stats my it will take 17hrs 55mins to complete the WU - I have a P4 2.0GHz with 512mb of RAM so surely this is powerful enough to complete it in time!

Also as a suggestion for EM3: A close-to-tray option?
 
windows "non-nonsense" client is the key to greatness
.. most of use use the "run as a system service option" so we don't have the intrusion of space on our taskbar... AND it runs even if nobody is logged in.

.. I use the -advmethods tag myself... I don't have any crazy OC or anything, so if for some reason a WU went sideways I do want to make sure the client keeps using the faster optimizations.

you can run it with the -configonly option if you ever want to quicky switch over to timeless WU or to accept the bigger units.. (they will take just a bit over 100megs of ram if you do.. BUT they give a 100% point advantage).

Congradulations and I look forward to seeing you around!

sharp
 
.. make sure you have the lasest em3 update.. if it is a newer protien it might be confused :D

Larry updates regular-like so if it is off right now, it'll be right soon.
and have no fear, you'll finish in time.

sharp
 
Currently EM3 is using twice as much memory as the actual client (cmdline, running as a service). I have the [H] skin.

It's the latest from his site and I have the check for updates checked.
 
Mournblade said:
Also I guess that I have to wait until I upload a WU before I can view my stats?
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Yes, after you Upload a finished WU you should see your stats in an hour or so after they transfer.

 
Add my living room box - fubar'd the merging of the clients and deleted a whole stack of results and pending WU's. It's not like those results haven't been checked a thousand times already...

Can't get sig to work - nothing appears.

I have a grand total of 46 points (which is probably why) but my next two are 302 and 305 respectively and will complete in around 50 hours each! :eek:

Yet to see what sort of impact it has while watching films and stuff (hopefully none)...
 
the stats page the image link uses is behind stanford/extremeOC/etc. it just doesn't update as often. it should work tomorrow, though.

welcome to FAH, btw.
 
Thanks for warm welcome guys.

Just checked in on my boxes after an evening watching documentaries on my htpc. It's now sat at 465hrs 11mins for a similar protein on my main rig will take 'just' 57hrs. However that will plummet down once it get's a few hours without being pummelled by WMP:)

I take it F@H is more bandwidth intensive than S@H so upping my FSB would be beneficial?

 
F@H is designed to only use unused cycles... which means even your mouse movements take away some processing power... You may want to set you HTPC up for the "timeless tinkers" if you're using it quite a bit, that way you don't have to worry about a deadline...

Also, bear in mind that EMIII will average out times, so it won't necessarily take the 465 hours to fold that protien, it'll just take that long at the processor usage it was getting while you were watching those documentaries...

F@H is based mainly on pure GHz... AMD chips tend to do math a little faster than the Intel chips, so they tend to be the favorite around here (not to mention the price difference)...

Welcome to the team! We're all here to help... feel free to ask any more questions you may have...


Keep on Folding!!

 
You may want to set you HTPC up for the "timeless tinkers" if you're using it quite a bit, that way you don't have to worry about a deadline...
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Well it mainly runs Azureus when it isn't being used. So if I am at work 8 hours a day and asleep for another 8 hours that leaves 8 hours of continous use. So in fact I reckon it gets maybe an hour or 2 a day average - some days I watch a couple of recorded docs and another day I don't watch any. I've upped the mem speed from 133 to 166 on it. It's an XP 1600+, so it's running at 1.4GHz.

F@H is based mainly on pure GHz...
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I wouldn't of thought so. The living room box has 51mb sequestered to F@H. Not all that can be stored in the cache but the question is how much of that needs to get accessed per calculation. In S@H it was continuous, but I'm not to sure about F@H.

 
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