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Lian Li (knockoff) Rocketfish

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The amount of painting and extras I put into this case was tripled the the price I paid at Best Buy.
 
Heh, I just threw a M-ATX motherboard in it and a lot of HDD's (11 x 1TB's right now)
 
damn man, thats alot HDDs. I know that ebay prices are at best a "ripoff". but i cant find a decent full tower case close to Mr. Benjamin that looks and has some features like a lian li (this case came the closest). I really like the lian li cases but I will never pay the price for it. And I've also heard, now correct me if Im wrong, that these are actually lian li cases but with rocketfish logo???
 
have you check out your local bestbuy. last time i was in bestbuy i still see one or two rocketfish cases laying around
 
how is the air-flow in this case? also can the 3.5" drive bay be removed and replaced with a fan?
 
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I had some reward zone certs....ended up paying $25 for mine! :D

And yes, they are re-badged Lian-Li's
 
I wouldn't say they are Lian Li cases that are rebadged, but Lian Li made cases badged Rocketfish. They are constructed a little on the cheaper side.

Not saying that the aluminium is thinner or the quality is lower. Just some features on the Lian Li cases are not on the Rocketfish. Sometimes the inner layout is different, drivebays that were removeable are not on the Rocketfish, no thumbscrews, or it lacks partitioning of interior areas.

By far though, they are well worth the money. Course if you paid over $100 for it, you got ripped off. I missed out on the Rocketfish era, but I wouldn't have bought one anyways. I don't like doors. Quite happy with my V2000B also.
 
The rocket fish came with all thumb screwa where needed, FYI.
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Where can I buy one of these cases? BB doesn't have them listed on their site anymore.
 
I found one on craigslist near KU (university of kansas) where my bro goes. I emailed the guy who's sellin the case but havent gotten any response back yet. Other than that i guess ebay. and if lucky BB
 
I checked eBay and didn't find any for under $70. I was hoping to score one for around $40. Oh well, I'll keep my eyes open for a cheap one.
 
krotch said:
I wouldn't say they are Lian Li cases that are rebadged, but Lian Li made cases badged Rocketfish. They are constructed a little on the cheaper side.

Not saying that the aluminium is thinner or the quality is lower. Just some features on the Lian Li cases are not on the Rocketfish. Sometimes the inner layout is different, drivebays that were removeable are not on the Rocketfish, no thumbscrews, or it lacks partitioning of interior areas.

By far though, they are well worth the money. Course if you paid over $100 for it, you got ripped off. I missed out on the Rocketfish era, but I wouldn't have bought one anyways. I don't like doors. Quite happy with my V2000B also.
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Like in the Lian Li thread, when comparing only two distinct cases; the Lian Li PC-A10 and the Rocketfish this is all true however when compared to Lian Li cases in general, not all of this is true.

1) Different layout does not equal cheaper design. Layout varies from line to line with Lian Li.

2) The HD cages are riveted down but every Lian I've owned has also had rivet secured HD cages. One of the few I know of that actually has the removable HD cage is the PC-A10.

3) All thumbscrews are included where needed. The only area where thumbscrews are not used is on the drive bays. Again, many Lian Li cases also do not include optical bay thumbscrews.

4) There's no partitioning however many Lian Li's also do not use a partitioned layout. Also while the partition is better for temperatures if you're running a ton of HDs, I found it to be a nuisance with the V1000. What it comes down to is personal preference.

5) $100 is a lot more than what they sold for on clearance so in reference to that you could say you're being ripped off but it's the same deal as the Seagate 1.5TB hard drives. I wish I could have bought them at $85 but they aren't available for that much anymore, the current market price is much higher. If you need the space, it would be hard to find a better case at $100.

TimG said:
I checked eBay and didn't find any for under $70. I was hoping to score one for around $40. Oh well, I'll keep my eyes open for a cheap one.
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Unless you find a used one locally, you're not going to find one for $40. Price shipped online are between $75-120. Used locally range from $50 (Rare) to $75-80 (More common).
 
These are great cases. Only reason I'm not still using mine is it was just too big. Took up too much space in my tiny apartment bedroom. Anybody in the DFW area looking for one, PM me.
 
bought three of these for $48 a pop.

traded one for a lian li a05b. the other two im hoarding for some future project :D
 
im still biding my time before i know what i want to do with these awesome cases.[/QUOTE]


you can toss me one.:D
 
skyline889 said:
Like in the Lian Li thread, when comparing only two distinct cases; the Lian Li PC-A10 and the Rocketfish this is all true however when compared to Lian Li cases in general, not all of this is true.

1) Different layout does not equal cheaper design. Layout varies from line to line with Lian Li.
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I never said the quality is lower, but when the different layout uses less materials, it's cheaper to produce.

2) The HD cages are riveted down but every Lian I've owned has also had rivet secured HD cages. One of the few I know of that actually has the removable HD cage is the PC-A10.
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Many of the V series has removeable cages. A good number of the PC series are based off the V series, but end up with doors or some crap.

3) All thumbscrews are included where needed. The only area where thumbscrews are not used is on the drive bays. Again, many Lian Li cases also do not include optical bay thumbscrews.
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More like they never throw in thumbscrews for optical drives or hdds. The Rocketfish are a mixed bag on getting thumbscrews for the case panels or PCI slot covers.

4) There's no partitioning however many Lian Li's also do not use a partitioned layout. Also while the partition is better for temperatures if you're running a ton of HDs, I found it to be a nuisance with the V1000. What it comes down to is personal preference.
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I'm comparing the Rocketfish to the Lian Li version of the same case, not every single different kind of case that Lian Li makes.

5) $100 is a lot more than what they sold for on clearance so in reference to that you could say you're being ripped off but it's the same deal as the Seagate 1.5TB hard drives. I wish I could have bought them at $85 but they aren't available for that much anymore, the current market price is much higher. If you need the space, it would be hard to find a better case at $100.
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I wouldn't have bought a Wii off ebay at $500, so neither would I pay double or more for a Rocketfish. But that's just me.
 
krotch said:
http://cgi.ebay.com/lian-li-v2000b_...ryZ80166QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

There's always this Lian Li, but the mod attempt is a fail.
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nah... you could stick this on top it would look pretty nice

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You really cant beat the price for a quality case, the stock airflow is not the best but that is an easy fix.

I cut out 2 holes over the 120mm fan and installed 2 80mm fans there, then removed a hard drive cage from an spare Antec 900 and used the optional interior fan bracket on the back of the cage and used a 2-120mm fan push pull setup and since i am only using 2 hard drives i removed the rear hard drive cage and installed a empty 120mm fan frame with a foam filter between the frame and the 120mm fan to keep out the dust, also i have a thin foam pad i keep over the 2-120mm fans to keep out the dust, suction from the fans keep them in place.

The interior foam is just extra soundproofing, the entire case has a layer of soundproofing i got from McMaster-Carr.

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krotch said:
I never said the quality is lower, but when the different layout uses less materials, it's cheaper to produce.
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This differs from your original statement. You said the Rocketfish cases were constructed cheaper because of lesser "features", different layout, etc. Different layout and features does not make a case "cheaper". The PC-A77 uses a different layout then the PC-V2010, it has no partition, etc, does this make it a "cheaper" case by your book too? By your most recent definition, it also uses less material than the PC-V2010, does this make it a "cheaper" case again?

krotch said:
Many of the V series has removeable cages. A good number of the PC series are based off the V series, but end up with doors or some crap.
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The cases introduced in the past two years like the like the PC-A line, and more recently the revised PC-V line have screw in drive cages (Note no thumbscrews here either except on the PC-A10) however, this case was designed earlier than these cases. While Best Buy did not receive shipments of these cases until 2007, according to the document properties on the PDF for the manual for this case, this case has been around since mid 2005; the warranty information for this case was released in 2006. The PC-A10 was released in 2006, the rest of the PC-A line like the PC-A70 was released in 2007, and the new PC-V line was introduced in 2008. Of course design evolution will occur as time goes on.

In fact, one could even argue that the new Lian Li cases were based on the design for the Rocketfish and that the Rocketfish was not in actuality a Lian Li case stripped of its features as you say. At the very least one could argue that the two entities (Lian Li cases and the Rocketfish case) were based off the same central design and not one off the other. ;)

Compare the Rocketfish to other Lian Li cases designed at the same time and see how they compare. The only Lian designed "better" at around the same time was the PC-A10. One case with slightly better features does not mean that the Rocketfish is constructed "cheaper" than Lian Li's as a whole. As I said in my first post, you're singling out one case, the only case that can be used to prove your point. That one case does not define Lian Li and in fact very few people even own that case and it is hardly the first case that comes to mind when people think of Lian Li.

krotch said:
More like they never throw in thumbscrews for optical drives or hdds. The Rocketfish are a mixed bag on getting thumbscrews for the case panels or PCI slot covers.
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I've owned three, and still own two. All came with same number of accessories and screws. There were in fact extra screws, HD mounting hardware, and thumbscrews included for all three. Since you seem to be an expert on this matter, how many have you owned? The number of people who have listed missing parts is very small and the reasoning is mostly likely that they unknowingly bought a opened case. BB tried to pass off a couple Rocketfish cases at my local store as new when upon inspection, they were not factory sealed and looked like re-taped customer returns. If the boxes did not have the black strapping on them, they were not new.


krotch said:
I'm comparing the Rocketfish to the Lian Li version of the same case, not every single different kind of case that Lian Li makes.
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There is no Lian Li version of this case. The case maybe similar in form to many Lian cases however dimensions, parts used, etc are all different. In addition, see my answer above in the second paragraph.

krotch said:
I wouldn't have bought a Wii off ebay at $500, so neither would I pay double or more for a Rocketfish. But that's just me.
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The retail of the Wii was never $500, people were just willing to pay a higher amount because of inadequate supply (Welcome to capitalism). The retail of the Rocketfish on the other hand, has always been $219. The only reason people were able to find them for less was because they were on extreme close-out to clear out stock. I see no one paying over retail for this case. Like I said it's just like the issue with the Seagate 1.5TBs. The MSRP has been $139 for a while now but stores like Dell were marking them way down to clear out the old inventory, prices have since gone back to normal. Should we then refuse to buy them unless we can get them for $85 again? No, that was a limited engagement. We may not pay full retail however we don't expect to get them at the bargain basement prices of the past either.
 
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jason str said:
You really cant beat the price for a quality case, the stock airflow is not the best but that is an easy fix.

I cut out 2 holes over the 120mm fan and installed 2 80mm fans there, then removed a hard drive cage from an spare Antec 900 and used the optional interior fan bracket on the back of the cage and used a 2-120mm fan push pull setup and since i am only using 2 hard drives i removed the rear hard drive cage and installed a empty 120mm fan frame with a foam filter between the frame and the 120mm fan to keep out the dust, also i have a thin foam pad i keep over the 2-120mm fans to keep out the dust, suction from the fans keep them in place.

The interior foam is just extra soundproofing, the entire case has a layer of soundproofing i got from McMaster-Carr.
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The case is similar to the PC-70. It also has horrible airflow. I needed more hdd space, so instead of modding, I just went with these.

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Increased my airflow and my 3.5" bays.

skyline889 said:
This differs from your original statement. You said the Rocketfish cases were constructed cheaper because of lesser "features", different layout, etc. Different layout and features does not make a case "cheaper". The PC-A70 uses a different layout then the PC-V2010, it has no partition, etc, does this make it a "cheaper" case by your book too? By your most recent definition, it also uses less material than the PC-V2010, does this make it a "cheaper" case again?
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Lesser features, such as lack of partitioning. I don't see how ppl are trying to combine cheaper into quality. I never said it was lower quality. I'm saying it's cheaper to produce, thus cheaper to sell.


The cases introduced in the past two years like the like the PC-A line, and more recently the revised PC-V line have screw in drive cages (Note no thumbscrews here either except on the PC-A10) however, this case was designed earlier than these cases. While Best Buy did not receive shipments of these cases until 2007, according to the document properties on the PDF for the manual for this case, this case has been around since mid 2005; the warranty information for this case was released in 2006. The PC-A10 was released in 2006, the rest of the PC-A line like the PC-A70 was released in 2007, and the new PC-V line was introduced in 2008. Of course design evolution will occur as time goes on.
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Lian Li doesn't do thumbscrews for mounting drives. I've been buying their cases since 2001. They'll use a thumbscrew to mount the cage.

In fact, one could even argue that the new Lian Li cases were based on the design for the Rocketfish and that the Rocketfish was not in actuality a Lian Li case stripped of its features as you say. At the very least one could argue that the two entities (Lian Li cases and the Rocketfish case) were based off the same central design and not one off the other. ;)
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Lian Li makes the Rocketfish. Why wouldn't the designs be similiar? Just that Lian Li skimped on the Rocketfish, so they could produce it cheaper. That way BestBuy could sell it cheaper.

Hell, the Rocketfish is a combination of the PC-70, PC-60, and V2000, with a door. Replace the PC-70s middle drive cage with a PC-60's middle drive cage. Replace the PC-70's bottom drive cage with the 2 drive cages off the V2000. Raise the mobo up and move the PSU mount to the bottom. Add a door. Viola! A Rocketfish.

Compare the Rocketfish to other Lian Li cases designed at the same time and see how they compare. The only Lian designed "better" at around the same time was the PC-A10. One case with slightly better features does not mean that the Rocketfish is constructed "cheaper" than Lian Li's as a whole. As I said in my first post, you're singling out one case, the only case that can be used to prove your point. That one case does not define Lian Li and in fact very few people even own that case and it is hardly the first case that comes to mind when people think of Lian Li.
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Once again, I never said that the Rocketfish is a lower quality part, it's just a cheaper construction. As in, the cost to create it is cheaper. Less case material and less features to shrink the cost.


I've owned three, and still own two. All came with same number of accessories and screws. There were in fact extra screws, HD mounting hardware, and thumbscrews included for all three. Since you seem to be an expert on this matter, how many have you owned? The number of people who have listed missing parts is very small and the reasoning is mostly likely that they unknowingly bought a opened case. BB tried to pass off a couple Rocketfish cases at my local store as new when upon inspection, they were not factory sealed and looked like re-taped customer returns. If the boxes did not have the black strapping on them, they were not new.
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I never said that you didn't get exta parts and pieces with the case. Even a $15 case comes with extra screws, nuts, bolts, etc. I'm just saying that not all Rocketfish came with thumbscrews. You can read all about it from the other various Rocketfish owners in the Rocketfish thread. You can also go to many other forums and get the same thing.


There is no Lian Li version of this case. The case maybe similar in form to many Lian cases however dimensions, parts used, etc are all different. In addition, see my answer above in the second paragraph.
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Of course there is no version of the case. Lian Li skimped on the features of the case. When their own brand is sitting on their own case, they won't skimp.

Why do you think the Lan Cool cases didn't use the Lian Li name?


The retail of the Wii was never $500, people were just willing to pay a higher amount because of inadequate supply (Welcome to capitalism). The retail of the Rocketfish on the other hand, has always been $219. The only reason people were able to find them for less was because they were on extreme close-out to clear out stock. I see no one paying over retail for this case. Like I said it's just like the issue with the Seagate 1.5TBs. The MSRP has been $139 for a while now but stores like Dell were marking them way down to clear out the old inventory, prices have since gone back to normal. Should we then refuse to buy them unless we can get them for $85 again? No, that was a limited engagement. We may not pay full retail however we don't expect to get them at the bargain basement prices of the past either.
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You can do what you want, I'll do what I want. I wouldn't buy them over $100.
 
krotch said:
Lesser features, such as lack of partitioning. I don't see how ppl are trying to combine cheaper into quality. I never said it was lower quality. I'm saying it's cheaper to produce, thus cheaper to sell.
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The wording on your first implied a different connotation for the word cheap. If that's really what you meant, than you should not have associated different features with cheaper prices. Less material does equal cheaper production costs however, different features do not equal cheaper production costs. In addition, even in terms of less material, I go back to my example of the PC-A77 vs the PC-V2010. The PC-A77 uses less material, thus is cheaper to produce, however it MSRP's for the same as the PC-V2010 and the 'Egg even has it selling for $10 more than the PC-V2010. Less material equates to cheaper production costs, however cheaper production costs do not equate to cheaper retail costs.

krotch said:
Lian Li doesn't do thumbscrews for mounting drives. I've been buying their cases since 2001. They'll use a thumbscrew to mount the cage.
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Uh, what? I said screw-in drive cages, i.e. drive cages that can be screwed in to the case. I made no reference to thumbscrews and the drives themselves.

krotch said:
Lian Li makes the Rocketfish. Why wouldn't the designs be similiar? Just that Lian Li skimped on the Rocketfish, so they could produce it cheaper. That way BestBuy could sell it cheaper.
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You once said that Lian Li and Rocketfish were like Lexus and Toyota, this is inaccurate. A better analogy would be that this is like Avalon vs Camry.

Like the Avalon and the Camry, both the Rocketfish and the PC-A10 you like to reference were priced to compete in the same market and there was not much of a difference between their respective MSRP's. Both were priced to compete in the $200-300 price range. A price above the entry level and below the high end. Like the Avalon and the Camry, where they differ is in target market, external size, and internal layout.

The Rocketfish much like how the Avalon is classified as a full-size sedan, is classified as a full-tower case, and was targeted for a different market than the PC-A10 (i.e. the analogous Camry). Originally the Rocketfish was meant to be a server or workstation case (Even the box illustrates a server style pc). The PC-A10 on the other hand, much like how the Camry is classified as a mid-size sedan, is classified as a mid-tower case, and was designed for a different market as well. The PC-A10 was designed for more the enthusiast/gamer rather than the workstation/server user. In this respect, Lian Li did not skimp on features, the cases were just designed for two different markets.

krotch said:
Hell, the Rocketfish is a combination of the PC-70, PC-60, and V2000, with a door. Replace the PC-70s middle drive cage with a PC-60's middle drive cage. Replace the PC-70's bottom drive cage with the 2 drive cages off the V2000. Raise the mobo up and move the PSU mount to the bottom. Add a door. Viola! A Rocketfish.
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You just combined four different cases. The same could be said of any case on the market with your reasoning. Regardless however, the changes you described don't even make sense and they in no way support your claim that Lian Li just took another case and stripped it down to sell under another name.

By "middle drive cage" I assume you're talking about the 3.5" bays and not the HD cages; both the PC-60 and the PC-70 used the same triple 3.5" cage, the Rocketfish does not. By "bottom drive cage" I assume you mean the HD cages; the PC-V2000 used completely different HD cages. The PC-V2000 held six drives per cage whereas the Rocktfish does three. The PC-V2000 had plastic rails whereas the Rocketfish uses a cage made completely out of aluminum. And lastly, the PC-V2000 used hard mounting instead of the rubber grommet soft mounts that decrease HD vibration and thus noise. The only things you got right were the raise the mobo up, drop psu down, and add a door. This alone can be said for several Lian Li cases however.

krotch said:
Once again, I never said that the Rocketfish is a lower quality part, it's just a cheaper construction. As in, the cost to create it is cheaper. Less case material and less features to shrink the cost.
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See my example of the PC-A70.

krotch said:
I never said that you didn't get exta parts and pieces with the case. Even a $15 case comes with extra screws, nuts, bolts, etc. I'm just saying that not all Rocketfish came with thumbscrews. You can read all about it from the other various Rocketfish owners in the Rocketfish thread. You can also go to many other forums and get the same thing.
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Please show me these example as I frequent both [H] and OCN and never have seen these "many other" examples. The Rocketfish thread here is 8 pages, the Rocketfish thread at OCN is over 120 pages and yet I still have not seen this proliferation of missing parts and displeased owners you describe. If this problem was so wide-spread don't you think that at least one of the three Rocketfish cases I've purchased would have had this problem? All three were purchased from separate retail outlets.

krotch said:
Of course there is no version of the case. Lian Li skimped on the features of the case.
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Do all Lian Li's use partition style layouts? No. Does this mean that they shouldn't be sold under Lian Li since they've been "skimped" of this feature? No. Does every Lian Li use thumbscrew mounted HD cages? No. Does this mean that they shouldn't be sold under Lian Li since they've been "skimped" of this feature as well? No.

krotch said:
When their own brand is sitting on their own case, they won't skimp.
Why do you think the Lan Cool cases didn't use the Lian Li name?
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Lan Cool was formed simply because the Lan Cool cases are made of steel and Lian Li only builds aluminum products. Lian Li wanted to penetrate this market but didn't want to sully their aluminum reputation, thus Lan Cool was formed. It was not because they "removed" features. Even the cheapest Lan Cools like the PC-K7B incorporate the same "features" as their similarly priced Lian Li based counterparts. Heck, the features on the PC-K7B even best some of its similarly priced Lian Li based counterparts.

krotch said:
You can do what you want, I'll do what I want. I wouldn't buy them over $100.
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Agreed. You decide how you want to spend your money. I'll decide how to spend mine. You shouldn't use a blanket statement like if you're paying over $100, you're being ripped off however. While this might be true to you, it is not for many others. Like I said, point me to a better case with similar size and features for less than $100 and I'll shut up.
 
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skyline889 said:
The wording on your first implied a different connotation for the word cheap. If that's really what you meant, than you should not have associated different features with cheaper prices. Less material does equal cheaper production costs however, different features do not equal cheaper production costs. In addition, even in terms of less material, I go back to my example of the PC-A70 vs the PC-V2010. The PC-A70 uses less material, thus is cheaper to produce, however it MSRP's for the same as the PC-V2010 and the 'Egg even has it selling for $10 more than the PC-V2010. Less material equates to cheaper production costs, however cheaper production costs do not equate to cheaper retail costs.
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That's due to the consumer's demand. There simply isn't a demand for computer cases in a B&M store, hence the disappearance of the Rocketfish case and the clearance sales. I'm sure if it were available on Newegg, it'd do well. Course I doubt Lian Li would allow that, as it'd cut into their own case market.


You once said that Lian Li and Rocketfish were like Lexus and Toyota, this is inaccurate. A better analogy would be that this is like Avalon vs Camry.
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It equates to the same thing, if they are in the same market. Avalon vs Camry doesn't work out as an Avalon is a larger sedan than the Camry.

How about a Toyota Avalon vs Lexus ES? Almost the same car, but the Lexus has some more features, thus a higher price.

Like the Avalon and the Camry, both the Rocketfish and the PC-A10 you like to reference were priced to compete in the same market and there was not much of a difference between their respective MSRP's. Both were priced to compete in the $200-300 price range. A price above the entry level and below the high end. Like the Avalon and the Camry, where they differ is in target market, external size, and internal layout.

The Rocketfish much like how the Avalon is classified as a full-size sedan, is classified as a full-tower case, and was targeted for a different market than the PC-A10 (i.e. the analogous Camry). Originally the Rocketfish was meant to be a server or workstation case (Even the box illustrates a server style pc). The PC-A10 on the other hand, much like how the Camry is classified as a mid-size sedan, is classified as a mid-tower case, and was designed for a different market as well. The PC-A10 was designed for more the enthusiast/gamer rather than the workstation/server user. In this respect, Lian Li did not skimp on features, the cases were just designed for two different markets. Do all Lian Li's use partition style layouts? No. Does this mean that they shouldn't be sold under Lian Li since they've been "skimped" of this feature? No. Does every Lian Li use thumbscrew mounted HD cages? No. Does this mean that they shouldn't be sold under Lian Li since they've been "skimped" of this feature as well? No.
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Just cause it was designed for one market, doesn't mean it doesn't fall into multiple markets. What do you think the WD Raptors were? They were meant to be enterprise drives. They still are, but they're also for the PC enthusiast community too.


You just combined four different cases. The same could be said of any case on the market with your reasoning. Regardless however, the changes you described don't even make sense and they in no way support your claim that Lian Li just took another case and stripped it down to sell under another name.

By "middle drive cage" I assume you're talking about the 3.5" bays and not the HD cages; both the PC-60 and the PC-70 used the same triple 3.5" cage, the Rocketfish does not. By "bottom drive cage" I assume you mean the HD cages; the PC-V2000 used completely different HD cages. The PC-V2000 held six drives per cage whereas the Rocktfish does three. The PC-V2000 had plastic rails whereas the Rocketfish uses a cage made completely out of aluminum. And lastly, the PC-V2000 used hard mounting instead of the rubber grommet soft mounts that decrease HD vibration and thus noise. The only things you got right were the raise the mobo up, drop psu down, and add a door. This alone can be said for several Lian Li cases however.
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The PC-60's front fans were replaced with a 120mm fan and ended up with a double 3.5" cage. After that it was called the PC-60 Plus.

As for the cage, I meant more the style. The V series was the first Lian Li cases that started using the sideways mounted cages.

Please show me these example as I frequent both [H] and OCN and never have seen these "many other" examples. The Rocketfish thread here is 8 pages, the Rocketfish thread at OCN is over 120 pages and yet I still have not seen this proliferation of missing parts and displeased owners you describe. If this problem was so wide-spread don't you think that at least one of the three Rocketfish cases I've purchased would have had this problem? All three were purchased from separate retail outlets.
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Once again, I never said anything about missing parts. Let me rephrase it.

NOT ALL ROCKETFISH CASES USED THUMBSCREWS, HENCE, THEY DIDN'T COME WITH THUMBSCREWS.

Lan Cool was formed simply because the Lan Cool cases are made of steel and Lian Li only builds aluminum products. Lian Li wanted to penetrate this market but didn't want to sully their aluminum reputation, thus Lan Cool was formed. It was not because they "removed" features. Even the cheapest Lan Cools like the PC-K7B incorporate the same "features" as their similarly priced Lian Li based counterparts. Heck, the features on the PC-K7B even best some of its similarly priced Lian Li based counterparts.
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All aluminium = feature
 
krotch said:
That's due to the consumer's demand. There simply isn't a demand for computer cases in a B&M store, hence the disappearance of the Rocketfish case and the clearance sales.
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That has an effect on actual store pricing, not the MSRP. Best Buy would not have had a case custom built for them if they new it wasn't going to sell. $45 was below their cost, they didn't anticipate selling them for that low.

krotch said:
I'm sure if it were available on Newegg, it'd do well. Course I doubt Lian Li would allow that, as it'd cut into their own case market.
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Really, so why does Lian Li allow ABS to sell knock off cases of their PC-V2000 and PC-X2000? The Black Pearl has better features than the PC-V2000 and sells for less. It doesn't cut into Lian Li sales at all. Consumer choice is based primarily on name brand preference first. If there is a big difference in price that will come into factor but if the pricing is within a reasonable range, people will pay the premium for the name brand.

krotch said:
It equates to the same thing, if they are in the same market. Avalon vs Camry doesn't work out as an Avalon is a larger sedan than the Camry.
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Exactly, did you not read? While they may be close in size they are categorized separately. Both the Avalon and the Camry are big cars but the Avalon is even larger and is classified as a full-size sedan. Likewise, the Rocketfish is larger and is classified as a full-tower case. On the other hand, the Camry is classified as a mid-size sedan. Per Lian Li's website, the PC-A10 is classified as a mid-tower case, not a full-tower case.

krotch said:
How about a Toyota Avalon vs Lexus ES? Almost the same car, but the Lexus has some more features, thus a higher price.
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Lexus does have more features, the PC-A10 does not. The partition, the removable cage, these are all different features, not better features. The PC-A10 hold less hard drives and has a retarded second HD cage compared to the Rocketfish, but on the PC-A10, the cage is removable. The PC-A10 has more 5.25" bays but no 3.5" bays, the Rocketfish on the other hand has less 5.25" bays and more 3.5" bays. The intake fans on the PC-A10 have no removable fan filters, the Rocketfish does. However, the PC-A10 has two intake fans, while the Rocketfish only has one.

You're trading one feature for another, not giving one up. You could liken this to having the benchseat in the last gen Avalon vs the two bucket seats in the Camry. Neither "feature" is better strictly speaking, they're just different. It just depends on what you're planning on doing.

krotch said:
Just cause it was designed for one market, doesn't mean it doesn't fall into multiple markets. What do you think the WD Raptors were? They were meant to be enterprise drives. They still are, but they're also for the PC enthusiast community too.
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Your point is what? Of course the case be used for other purposes, that doesn't mean it was designed for that purpose and that you can criticize it because it doesn't fulfill everything you want in a segment where it was not designed to compete. Do you expect a Ford F-150 to handle the same as a Lotus Exige? Of course not. You can throw it into a corner and it will fair alright, but it wasn't designed to be a sports car, it was designed to be a work truck. The Rocketfish was never designed to be the "sports car" of the case world, it was designed to be a workstation.

krotch said:
The PC-60's front fans were replaced with a 120mm fan and ended up with a double 3.5" cage. After that it was called the PC-60 Plus.

As for the cage, I meant more the style. The V series was the first Lian Li cases that started using the sideways mounted cages.
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And so what? Nearly all Lian Li's today use perpendicular HD cages and 120mm fans. Cases that still use 3.5" bays, mostly have dual 3.5" bays. These are not things that were just cobbled together to build the Rocketfish.

krotch said:
Once again, I never said anything about missing parts. Let me rephrase it.

NOT ALL ROCKETFISH CASES USED THUMBSCREWS, HENCE, THEY DIDN'T COME WITH THUMBSCREWS.
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Yeah and I said prove it. Every Rocketfish case I've seen and owned has used thumbscrews everywhere except the optical drives and the PCI slots. This is standard. Show me where someone had standard screws for everything, or even just the case side panels.

krotch said:
All aluminium = feature
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To some. To those who like silence, no. Steel is and always has been better for dampening HD vibration. If you compare HD noise with a steel case using Lian Li's soft mounting HD cage to HD noise with an aluminum case using Lian Li's soft mounting HD cage, the steel case will better dampen vibration and thus noise. More has to be done to an aluminum case to reduce noise than a steel case. If you notice, prices on the Lan Cools aren't any cheaper than their aluminum constructed Lian Li counterparts. These are two different markets.
 
skyline889 said:
That has an effect on actual store pricing, not the MSRP. Best Buy would not have had a case custom built for them if they new it wasn't going to sell. $45 was below their cost, they didn't anticipate selling them for that low.
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I think they didn't anticipate them not selling. Hence, them having to sell them at a much lower price. Space costs money and having a bunch of cases that aren't selling is costly to a business.


Really, so why does Lian Li allow ABS to sell knock off cases of their PC-V2000 and PC-X2000? The Black Pearl has better features than the PC-V2000 and sells for less. It doesn't cut into Lian Li sales at all. Consumer choice is based primarily on name brand preference first. If there is a big difference in price that will come into factor but if the pricing is within a reasonable range, people will pay the premium for the name brand.
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Huh? You mean the Black Pearl that isn't perforated, doesn't have casters, uses some ugly LCD panel with power/reset button, and Lian Li 5 1/4" to 3 1/2" bay hdd cages don't work in it.

I don't even know why they bothered putting a 120mm fan on the front of the case. Not like it's sucking fresh air from outside the case, like the V2000.


Exactly, did you not read? While they may be close in size they are categorized separately. Both the Avalon and the Camry are big cars but the Avalon is even larger and is classified as a full-size sedan. Likewise, the Rocketfish is larger and is classified as a full-tower case. On the other hand, the Camry is classified as a mid-size sedan. Per Lian Li's website, the PC-A10 is classified as a mid-tower case, not a full-tower case.
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The PC-A71 is closer to the Rocketfish than the PC-A10. Course why not? They are the same with different interior layout. I use the PC-A10, as the interior layout is closer, but dimensions different.

Lexus does have more features, the PC-A10 does not. The partition, the removable cage, these are all different features, not better features. The PC-A10 hold less hard drives and has a retarded second HD cage compared to the Rocketfish, but on the PC-A10, the cage is removable. The PC-A10 has more 5.25" bays but no 3.5" bays, the Rocketfish on the other hand has less 5.25" bays and more 3.5" bays. The intake fans on the PC-A10 have no removable fan filters, the Rocketfish does. However, the PC-A10 has two intake fans, while the Rocketfish only has one.

You're trading one feature for another, not giving one up. You could liken this to having the benchseat in the last gen Avalon vs the two bucket seats in the Camry. Neither "feature" is better strictly speaking, they're just different. It just depends on what you're planning on doing.
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A10 - 7 ext 5.25, 5 int 3.5 (also provides an adapter to turn one ext 5.25 to 3.5)
RF - 6 ext 5.25, 2 ext 3.5, 6 int 3.5

A10 - anti-vibration for case panels, hdds, and 5.25 devices.
RF - anti-vibration for hdds

A10 - 3 case fans, no filters. Fan card thing
RF - 2 case fans, 1 with filter. Fan card thing

A10 - 5.25 lock plate
RF - none

A10- 2 PSU support
RF - 1 PSU support

A10 - tube holes for external watercooling
RF - none

A10 - mid-tower
RF - full-tower

A10 - 215mm x 535mm x 522mm ( W, H, D)
A71 - 220mm x 595mm x 615mm (W, H,D)
RF - should be the same as the A71

A10 - removeable mobo tray
RF - fixed mobo tray

A10 - has thumbscrews for PCI slots
RF - Early models had no thumbscrews for PCI slots, Newer models came with thumbscrews

Your point is what? Of course the case be used for other purposes, that doesn't mean it was designed for that purpose and that you can criticize it because it doesn't fulfill everything you want in a segment where it was not designed to compete. Do you expect a Ford F-150 to handle the same as a Lotus Exige? Of course not. You can throw it into a corner and it will fair alright, but it wasn't designed to be a sports car, it was designed to be a work truck. The Rocketfish was never designed to be the "sports car" of the case world, it was designed to be a workstation.
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If it's designed like other Lian Li full towers, they're made for personal or SMB. Mid-towers are personal.


And so what? Nearly all Lian Li's today use perpendicular HD cages and 120mm fans. Cases that still use 3.5" bays, mostly have dual 3.5" bays. These are not things that were just cobbled together to build the Rocketfish.
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Lian Li cobbles together features, parts, etc to make their cases. The less that has to be redesigned means the less they have to retool, reprogram, etc. Thus maintaining/lowering product costs while maintaining profits.

Also why fix what isn't broke. My PSU mount plate for my V2000 works on my PC-75. Doesn't mean much of anything.


Yeah and I said prove it. Every Rocketfish case I've seen and owned has used thumbscrews everywhere except the optical drives and the PCI slots. This is standard. Show me where someone had standard screws for everything, or even just the case side panels.
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Not even sure why you're arguing this. I simply said that not all Rocketfish cases came with thumbscrews. Not missing thumbscrews, just that they didn't use them, cept on case panels and the ext 3.5" bay cage. So usually you had the thumbscrews for the that and 1 extra thumbscrew.

To some. To those who like silence, no. Steel is and always has been better for dampening HD vibration. If you compare HD noise with a steel case using Lian Li's soft mounting HD cage to HD noise with an aluminum case using Lian Li's soft mounting HD cage, the steel case will better dampen vibration and thus noise. More has to be done to an aluminum case to reduce noise than a steel case. If you notice, prices on the Lan Cools aren't any cheaper than their aluminum constructed Lian Li counterparts. These are two different markets.
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They are different markets. Just different cases for the same market.

If you go buy MSRP, the Lan Cools are cheaper than their equivalent Lian Li's. Now if you go by consumer prices, then they're the same cost.
 
Jesus christ. the last 6 posts I just skipped over and saw tons of quotes... just skyline and krotch going back and forth about something... haha...
 
OMFG, this is so not worth it. You're right Blazestorm, I've put way too much effort into this. Moving on.
 
Just woundering, what is the actual width of the rocketfish case because I have been searching all over and all I can find is "width - 22.8"" thats not right is it??? that is what is says on the rockketfish website as well. can someone confirm the true width?? thanks
 
I bought one of these back when Best Buy had them on clearance. I used it for about 8 months before we moved into an apartment that was about 500 square feet smaller. I switched back to my smaller Lian Li and threw the Rocketfish out with a lot of other stuff.

It's a good case with a lot of modding potential. The one thing I really didn't like about it was the front door but it was easily removable.
 
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