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Kingston HyperX PC3500
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I have that memory and its better than corsair with timmings, I can make mine do 2-2-2-6. I have had nothing but good experiences with it.
I had some corsair 3500 previous to this kingston, and it was better ram- likely because it was BH-5, and my kingston is CH-5... but I took the hit to go from 512 to 1GB
The Corsair I had would do 2-2-2-4 @ 200, whereas the Kingston can't do 2-2-2-x @ anything.
The Corsair I had would do 2-2-2-4 @ 200, whereas the Kingston can't do 2-2-2-x @ anything.
I have 1 gig of hyperX pc3500. system in sig.
The ram will also run 2-2-2-5 but I read 2-2-2-6 is actually better so that's where I run it.
What is amusing is that you guys are claiming to have BH-5 or CH-5 HyperX, when in Fact HyperX uses NEITHER.
Maybe I'm missing something, but I was informed by an engineer at Kingston that those designations to not apply to their memory.
Anyhow, I ran through about 6 or 7 different sets of Corsair XMS and TwinX and NONE of them worked with my system.
The Kingston works like a champ and I recommend it over Corsair.
But, that is just my experience, and I know others will disagree.. whatever.
Anyhow, where is your evidence to back up these claims of BH-5 or CH-5 chips in the HyperX? if you are right then that's great, I just want to know what the truth is.
peese
The ram will also run 2-2-2-5 but I read 2-2-2-6 is actually better so that's where I run it.
What is amusing is that you guys are claiming to have BH-5 or CH-5 HyperX, when in Fact HyperX uses NEITHER.
Maybe I'm missing something, but I was informed by an engineer at Kingston that those designations to not apply to their memory.
Anyhow, I ran through about 6 or 7 different sets of Corsair XMS and TwinX and NONE of them worked with my system.
The Kingston works like a champ and I recommend it over Corsair.
But, that is just my experience, and I know others will disagree.. whatever.
Anyhow, where is your evidence to back up these claims of BH-5 or CH-5 chips in the HyperX? if you are right then that's great, I just want to know what the truth is.
peese
Its not possible for the 3500 to be a Sammy product because their memory won't do CAS2 very well....
My evidence comes from various forums accross the interweb whose users have popped off the heatspreader out of curiousity. There's no hard and fast way to tell which one you have without doing so, except that BH5 will typically do at 2-2-2 @ at least 400, and the CH5 will do 2-3-2 @ 400.
I will probably never 100% k now what i have, because I'm not b0rking the warranty to find out.
My evidence comes from various forums accross the interweb whose users have popped off the heatspreader out of curiousity. There's no hard and fast way to tell which one you have without doing so, except that BH5 will typically do at 2-2-2 @ at least 400, and the CH5 will do 2-3-2 @ 400.
I will probably never 100% k now what i have, because I'm not b0rking the warranty to find out.
well, yeah see, I pulled my heat spreaders off myself, to find out whether I had BH or CH and to my surprise the writing on the chips said neither.
I did search after search trying to figure out what the writing meant, but nowhere could I find any chart with these numbers on them. That is why I called Kingston and spoke to them directly.
They make their own chips, which are not BH-5 or CH-5. They told me that the BH and CH ratings are used on a certain manufacturer's chips, but not theirs, and so there was no way to compare that directly.
Now, it is possible that there is some sort of "standard architecture" that is labeled as BH or CH, but the guy I spoke with didn't say that.
Anyhow, just popping the HS off won't tell you BH or CH 5, I know this because I did it!
not to hijack the thread. Stick with the HyperX if it's working for you!
edit -- dude, saying "its not possible for the 3500 to be a sammy product because their memory wont do cas2" is kinda silly.
Thats like saying sight unseen, that there's no way that motor could be a chevy, because they don't go much over 100,000 miles very easiliy. Obviously there are lots of Chevy's out there running past 100k miles, and I'd bet there's lots of samsung memory (or Kingston if that's what you meant) capable of cas2. Stick to what you know, assumptions like that are extremely unhelpful.
I did search after search trying to figure out what the writing meant, but nowhere could I find any chart with these numbers on them. That is why I called Kingston and spoke to them directly.
They make their own chips, which are not BH-5 or CH-5. They told me that the BH and CH ratings are used on a certain manufacturer's chips, but not theirs, and so there was no way to compare that directly.
Now, it is possible that there is some sort of "standard architecture" that is labeled as BH or CH, but the guy I spoke with didn't say that.
Anyhow, just popping the HS off won't tell you BH or CH 5, I know this because I did it!
not to hijack the thread. Stick with the HyperX if it's working for you!
edit -- dude, saying "its not possible for the 3500 to be a sammy product because their memory wont do cas2" is kinda silly.
Thats like saying sight unseen, that there's no way that motor could be a chevy, because they don't go much over 100,000 miles very easiliy. Obviously there are lots of Chevy's out there running past 100k miles, and I'd bet there's lots of samsung memory (or Kingston if that's what you meant) capable of cas2. Stick to what you know, assumptions like that are extremely unhelpful.
I wouldn't know if it is or not, as I am not overclocking at the moment....Gotta wait for the SP94 to buy. Right now I am running at 400mhz with SPD settings but with CAS set to 2. On the spec sheet it says: Timing Reference: 2.5-3-3-7-1 @ +2.6V...What does that mean? What to test the RAM with to see if it is stable at these speeds
ive had 2 gig kits of pc3500 hyperx actually 3 sets the first was kingston 4.5ns chips that did not like my nforce2 board. the rma set i got had bh5 chips about 6 months later i got another gig set poped the spreaders of those and they were ch5 chips. so i know for 100% fact they use winbond if you order a set off the egg right now you will get ch5 chips. if you happen to have the very first rev of the hyperx chances are high its relabeled kingston chips that hate nf2 boards. my bh5 is 014a rev i forget what the rev was for ch5 ksince i sold that set
goggle some reviews of the hyperx ram 3200 or 3500 youll infact see kingston uses winbond chips now
the sticker on the memory modules will have the rev info it will look lik this 014A rev. if you recently purchased it its ch5 chips if its older it could be either see if you can do cas2 2-2-6 at 2.7 volts most ch5 will crash at post with those latencies. if it does crash its probally ch5
kingston uses rebadged winbond chips. ALL of their 3500 is ch-5. 3200 with a in the part number is ch-5. 3200 without a in the part number is bh-5. 3000 is a mix of bh-5 and bh-6. As far as brand between kingston/corsiar/mushkin etc.. they usually dont really vary that much, and the chips used is what really counts.
Smoke Dopers....
Ive popped the spreaders off 4 sticks of 256 and 3 sticks of 512 HyperX3500.
They all had winbond xxxxxCH-5 chips on them.
Even ones that say "KINGSTON xxxxxxx" on them are simply CH-5 that Kingston had laser-etched at the winbond factory with a Kingston part number.
Ones that say "winbond" were simply bought on the spot market by Kingston purchasing to fill gaps between main orders.
This is how electronics manufacturing works people, most of what Kingston sells they DID NOT MAKE, there are only a handful of DDR chip FABs in THE ENTIRE WORLD.
Micron, Hynix, Infineon, Samsung make most of it, Winbond and a couple others make lower production quantity specialty stuff.
Lots of companies sell STICKS, but they buy the chips from the major suppliers. A FAB to make these costs $1-2 BILLION to build.
There aint no mom+pop DDR manufacturers. You buy the chips, you make a PCB (any idiot can have a stick PCB made, jedec has the spec, hell they even have the flms, silkscreens for cheap) Centon, PNY etc etc, just OEM stick makers buying in bulk, badged for themselves, and sold in CompUSA/Bestbuy, etc.
The BH/CH 5-6 chips are specialty chips made by a smaller player in the game, and even they cant make MORE BH5's anymore, they converted thier FAB to make .13um CH-5's as a die shrink with a better profit margin/chip.
BTW, I just got a second stick of PC2100 Valueram at OfficeMax today. Kingston $19 stick (after rebate) does 2x 256Meg, 200Mhz at 11,3,3,2.5 cpuinterface enb @3.0V in my unmod'd backup NF7-S
So Ive got 512M dual channel 200Mhz ram for $38 total....gotta luv it. If the NF7-S had 4 ddr slots, I'd go get another pr for a cheap GIG. The DDR chips are marked Kingston, I have no idea what they are, other than NOT CH-5 ;-)
Ive popped the spreaders off 4 sticks of 256 and 3 sticks of 512 HyperX3500.
They all had winbond xxxxxCH-5 chips on them.
Even ones that say "KINGSTON xxxxxxx" on them are simply CH-5 that Kingston had laser-etched at the winbond factory with a Kingston part number.
Ones that say "winbond" were simply bought on the spot market by Kingston purchasing to fill gaps between main orders.
This is how electronics manufacturing works people, most of what Kingston sells they DID NOT MAKE, there are only a handful of DDR chip FABs in THE ENTIRE WORLD.
Micron, Hynix, Infineon, Samsung make most of it, Winbond and a couple others make lower production quantity specialty stuff.
Lots of companies sell STICKS, but they buy the chips from the major suppliers. A FAB to make these costs $1-2 BILLION to build.
There aint no mom+pop DDR manufacturers. You buy the chips, you make a PCB (any idiot can have a stick PCB made, jedec has the spec, hell they even have the flms, silkscreens for cheap) Centon, PNY etc etc, just OEM stick makers buying in bulk, badged for themselves, and sold in CompUSA/Bestbuy, etc.
The BH/CH 5-6 chips are specialty chips made by a smaller player in the game, and even they cant make MORE BH5's anymore, they converted thier FAB to make .13um CH-5's as a die shrink with a better profit margin/chip.
BTW, I just got a second stick of PC2100 Valueram at OfficeMax today. Kingston $19 stick (after rebate) does 2x 256Meg, 200Mhz at 11,3,3,2.5 cpuinterface enb @3.0V in my unmod'd backup NF7-S
So Ive got 512M dual channel 200Mhz ram for $38 total....gotta luv it. If the NF7-S had 4 ddr slots, I'd go get another pr for a cheap GIG. The DDR chips are marked Kingston, I have no idea what they are, other than NOT CH-5 ;-)
I was told specifically by Kingston at the time that my chips were NOT winbond chips.
Also, they run at a very high FSB on my intel 865 chipset motherboard, which lends me to believe they are NOT CH-5 chips, because no other set of ram sticks from corsair or whatever would get anywhere NEAR this FSB on my board.
Also, there are many threads on the topic of CH-5 on these intel chipsets. The BH-5 seems to work great but CH-5 doesn't
Also, they run at a very high FSB on my intel 865 chipset motherboard, which lends me to believe they are NOT CH-5 chips, because no other set of ram sticks from corsair or whatever would get anywhere NEAR this FSB on my board.
Also, there are many threads on the topic of CH-5 on these intel chipsets. The BH-5 seems to work great but CH-5 doesn't
Remember, they make sticks, so they might have bought -D43 chips and used them... they do high fsb speeds too. But the HyperX 3500's Ive had my hands on were all CH-5... confirmed visually.... because I always LOOK to see if I stumbled on a stick of BH-5 