i7 vs xeon for server

[Red Squirrel]

I ended up getting a E3 quad with HT. Was not planing on buying right away but E3 platform is way cheaper so ended up pulling the trigger. Came up to about $1,700.

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[ToddW2]

The 1270v2 is great, you'll like it.

I went from an older Xeon to one, and it cut my load 50% almost.

 

[DeChache]

It's you that are in error.

The single processor variants of the E5 Xeon processor, the Xeon E5-1600, are indeed fully UNLOCKED, BCLK and multiplier. The dual processor (DP) versions of this processor, the E5-2600, are fully LOCKED as are the MP versions, the E5-4600. The only processor that is unknown at this point is the E5-1680 V2, simply because it's OEM only and nobody has tried it yet.



See the above statement. Single processor variants are FULLY UNLOCKED, dual processor variants are FULLY LOCKED.



I stated this earlier in the thread, but some people either chose to ignore it or simply didn't bother to go back in the thread to read it in order to familiarize themselves with it to better understand the context of my later statements. This statement is entirely accurate and I stand behind it.



If he goes with the E5-1600 series like I recommended, he WILL be able to overclock with either multiplier or BCLK straps. If he choses a Xeon E5-2600/4600, he will be UNABLE to overclock. Case closed.



He apparently doesn't know jack shit about the single processor variants of the E5 Xeon family and is basing his statements on his experience with the dual processor versions, having never tried a single processor version. A dangerous generalization to make when making recommendations or telling other folks who have experience with both that they are wrong. I, on the other hand, have played with BOTH single and dual versions of the E5 Xeon and know the differences between them.

For all the naysayers, I've included a screenshot of my E5-1660...which is not at all locked.

Any questions...

That great and all but most of us. Unless we are folding or using it as a workstation will NEVER OC a server.

I'm with Sc0tty8 dual 2011. In a home VM server CPU power is rarely an issue but ram can be.

 

[drescherjm]

No hyperthreading.

Darn. I was considering this at that price for a new backend server for MythTV at home.

 

[drescherjm]

I ended up getting a E3 quad with HT. Was not planing on buying right away but E3 platform is way cheaper so ended up pulling the trigger. Came up to about $1,700.

Supermicro X9SCL+-F mATX LGA1155 DDR3 ECC 2GBE IPMI 3PCIE 6SATA2 9USB2.0 Motherboard      1 $209.99 	
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Good choice on the Supermicro board. I really like the IPMI feature. It has saved me a few 36 mile trips to work and back a few times already.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Good choice on the Supermicro board. I really like the IPMI feature. It has saved me a few 36 mile trips to work and back a few times already.

Yeah I still don't have a rackmount console setup so it's a real pain if I need console access to a server. IPMI is a bonus. Though it sucks that it does not work in Linux so I end up having to spin up a windows VM if I need to use it. Though it does save me from having to unrack a server or dragging a keyboard and monitor and working off the floor if I do need local console access. Typically for troubleshooting or what not.

 

[drescherjm]

Hmm. Although the server I am taking about with IMPI is running linux I have not tried connecting to the java ikvm viewer from a linux machine. I used the company vpn to my windows 7 desktop and launched the ikvm from that.

 

[Deleted member 12106]

It's you that are in error.

The single processor variants of the E5 Xeon processor, the Xeon E5-1600, are indeed fully UNLOCKED, BCLK and multiplier. The dual processor (DP) versions of this processor, the E5-2600, are fully LOCKED as are the MP versions, the E5-4600. The only processor that is unknown at this point is the E5-1680 V2, simply because it's OEM only and nobody has tried it yet.



See the above statement. Single processor variants are FULLY UNLOCKED, dual processor variants are FULLY LOCKED.



I stated this earlier in the thread, but some people either chose to ignore it or simply didn't bother to go back in the thread to read it in order to familiarize themselves with it to better understand the context of my later statements. This statement is entirely accurate and I stand behind it.



If he goes with the E5-1600 series like I recommended, he WILL be able to overclock with either multiplier or BCLK straps. If he choses a Xeon E5-2600/4600, he will be UNABLE to overclock. Case closed.



He apparently doesn't know jack shit about the single processor variants of the E5 Xeon family and is basing his statements on his experience with the dual processor versions, having never tried a single processor version. A dangerous generalization to make when making recommendations or telling other folks who have experience with both that they are wrong. I, on the other hand, have played with BOTH single and dual versions of the E5 Xeon and know the differences between them.

For all the naysayers, I've included a screenshot of my E5-1660...which is not at all locked.

Any questions...

I would need to know what board you are running. We got our hands on some w3680's that are supposed to be locked. Some where able to bump the multi. Some where not on other x58 boards.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Yeah works fine in Windows, but when I tried from Linux it did not work. There is probably a way to get it to work if you jump through a bunch of hoops but never tried further. I only have one server that has IPMI and I rarely access it. ACtually now that I think of it my new file server probably has it to, it's a supermicro motherboard. I'll have to port scan my network and see if I can find it then set a proper IP in my management range.

 

[lutjens]

I would need to know what board you are running. We got our hands on some w3680's that are supposed to be locked. Some where able to bump the multi. Some where not on other x58 boards.

Rampage IV Extrreme. The single processor Xeons are damn fine chips...the only problem with them is that they tease us with what would be possible if Intel would get their heads out of their ass and unlock the top DP Xeons.

 

[lutjens]

That great and all but most of us. Unless we are folding or using it as a workstation will NEVER OC a server.

I'm with Sc0tty8 dual 2011. In a home VM server CPU power is rarely an issue but ram can be.

Sure, few people would overclock a server, especially if it was running something critical. I merely mentioned the ability of the single processor E5s to overclock as an added feature that one may use if desired.

In any event, I'm not aware of any single processor LGA2011 motherboard that supports ECC memory AND overclocking, so the issue is largely a moot point. The thing is that the quad core E5-1600 Xeon CPUs are as good of a deal as the E3 version or better, as they run at a higher clock speed for less cash than an equivalent E3, and offer much better memory performance and I/O potential. The only stumbling point is the platform cost, which is typically higher with the E5 platform.

 

[Deleted member 12106]

It's you that are in error.

The single processor variants of the E5 Xeon processor, the Xeon E5-1600, are indeed fully UNLOCKED, BCLK and multiplier. The dual processor (DP) versions of this processor, the E5-2600, are fully LOCKED as are the MP versions, the E5-4600. The only processor that is unknown at this point is the E5-1680 V2, simply because it's OEM only and nobody has tried it yet.



See the above statement. Single processor variants are FULLY UNLOCKED, dual processor variants are FULLY LOCKED.



I stated this earlier in the thread, but some people either chose to ignore it or simply didn't bother to go back in the thread to read it in order to familiarize themselves with it to better understand the context of my later statements. This statement is entirely accurate and I stand behind it.



If he goes with the E5-1600 series like I recommended, he WILL be able to overclock with either multiplier or BCLK straps. If he choses a Xeon E5-2600/4600, he will be UNABLE to overclock. Case closed.



He apparently doesn't know jack shit about the single processor variants of the E5 Xeon family and is basing his statements on his experience with the dual processor versions, having never tried a single processor version. A dangerous generalization to make when making recommendations or telling other folks who have experience with both that they are wrong. I, on the other hand, have played with BOTH single and dual versions of the E5 Xeon and know the differences between them.

For all the naysayers, I've included a screenshot of my E5-1660...which is not at all locked.

Any questions...

Rampage IV Extrreme. The single processor Xeons are damn fine chips...the only problem with them is that they tease us with what would be possible if Intel would get their heads out of their ass and unlock the top DP Xeons.

You have these e5's in other non-asus boards?

 

[lutjens]

You have these e5's in other non-asus boards?

I did build a system for a friend last year using Intel's DX79SR motherboard and the E5-1650 I installed in it worked fine (and overclocked fine as well, using both straps and multiplier). That's the extent of my non-Asus usage with the E5-1600 Xeons.

I would think that all motherboards that can run the E5-1600 Xeon would be able to use the BCLK straps and multiplier adjustments (if they provide for such adjustments--ie: non-server boards), but can't say with 100% certainty as I've never personally tried boards other than those listed.