Help, building my first PC.

jreffy

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Overview; I'm making this computer to be an "Ultimate Gaming Machine". However I also enjoy doing a lot of video creating and editing as well. I have somewhat of an expansive budget (3000$), however, the cheaper I can make it, the better, and the quicker I can have it built. I plan on doing some overclocking, but as for how much and how soon, that's in the air. We'll see how she runs stock to begin with.


Case: Lian Li, PC-70 - ebay $91.61 (includes shipping)

**I found this gem on ebay from a guy who thought it was too big and was reselling it. I've already started modding it, putting in a couple windows, getting a vinyl decal made up, and a slick high-gloss paint job. This case gives me a TON of room to put whatever I want inside, not to mention all the drive bays on the front for various meters, drives, and cool fan controls.


CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo, E6700 - $568

**I was thinking of the X6800 right off the bat, but at almost double the price, it's not worth it. These processors already blow everything else out of the water that's currently out there. Plus, with a little overclocking (nothing risky) I can up the performance even more. The difference in stock performance to me is not worth the extra $500-$600


Motherboard: ASUS, P5W DH Deluxe - $269.99

**One of the motherboards out right now that supports the Core 2 Duo processors. On top of that, I do plan on doing a little bit of overclocking, so the DDR800 Memory support appealed to me. Not to mention the amount of PCIe slots and room for RAM. Is this the way I want to go? I'm still a little lost when it comes to overclocking and the FSB/RAM speeds and multipliers.


Video Card; BFG Tech, Nvidia GeForce 7950 GX2 - $600.00

**Honestly this is where I had my biggest hang up. I couldn't decide if I wanted to go with the top of the line, or get a single 7800 and wait for the Dx10 cards to come out. I finally decided to get the top single card I could. My reasoning is that Dx10 cards won't be out for a few more months, and it will be even more time until games start to utilize and take full advantage of Dx10. So I've got about a year before I probably will think about upgrading. In the meantime I get one of the best performing cards out there (comperable to 2x7900 in SLI, but a heck of a lot cheaper).


Sound Card; Creative Labs. Audigy 2 - $64

**I don't have a mind blowing, surround-sound set up for my computer, and I don't need or plan on having one. I'd use the Audigy 2 I have in my current machine but I've lost a lot of the software, so I figure it's time for a replacement, especially since it is so cheap.


RAM; OCZ, Platinum 2GB (2x1GB) DDR2 800 - $206

**Optimized to work with my motherboard and I'll get an extra benefit out of it through slight overclocking. 2GB is definitely the way to go for games and OCZ is some of the best RAM out there. I hear Corsair would be more in line with my overclocking aspirations? Again, I'd love an explanation on how the whole RAM vs. FSB vs. CPU speeds all work.


Power Supply; PC Power and Cooling, EPS12V 610W - $159.00

**One of the best PSU makers out there, and for a great price too. 600W should suit me just fine I decide to do Quad-SLI, then I might need more. Like I said though, I'm not planning on it so 600W should suit me just fine, and it's a silent model as well.


Hard Drive; Western Digital, Raptor 36.7GB 10,000RPM SATA - (2) $220
Western Digital, Caviar 320GB 7200RPM SATA - $100

**Instead of partitioning my hard drives, and because I'm going for an ultimate gaming machine, I decided to go with 2 smaller, very fast (10,000RPM) hard drives linked together in RAID0. The upside is that I'll get fast performance, downside is if one of the 2 drives crashes, I can't get ANY of my data because it's split between the 2. Meanwhile I get a 320GB Hard Drive to store all my pictures, music, movies, whatever.



TOTAL COST ~ $2280


So I've got about $720 to work with for DVD-RW drives, any case mods I want to put on, and a water cooling system. Definitely do-able, hopefully keeping my grand total under $2800. Anyone have suggestions for a watercooling system? I've been doing a TON of reading (already bought and read 3 books about computers, modding, and building), but still a little unsure. Am I going to be allright with my PSU if I want to run a DC pump? Are there any downsides to that? I want to water-cool the GPU as well, but as of right now there are no waterblocks out for that stacked 7950, so I'll just make sure it gets enough air and throw on a waterblock when it comes out.

I know this was kind of long, but it gave me an opportunity to show you all the thinking I went through when trying to put together a system. Thanks for taking the time to read this and pass on any of your knowledge/advice/experiences.
 
jreffy said:
I want to water-cool the GPU as well, but as of right now there are no waterblocks out for that stacked 7950, so I'll just make sure it gets enough air and throw on a waterblock when it comes out.

Danger Den has a block available for it right now, and I believe Koolance' is either out now or will be soon. Everything looks good but IMO I would save some cash and get something like the 6300 and just OC, they OC really well and you can get one for half the cost of that 6700, also if you are basing your 6700 prices off Newegg they seem to be doing a little price gouging on the Core 2's ATM as other places have the same CPU's listed for quite a bit less. Thats just my .02.
 
Blauman said:
Danger Den has a block available for it right now, and I believe Koolance' is either out now or will be soon. Everything looks good but IMO I would save some cash and get something like the 6300 and just OC, they OC really well and you can get one for half the cost of that 6700, also if you are basing your 6700 prices off Newegg they seem to be doing a little price gouging on the Core 2's ATM as other places have the same CPU's listed for quite a bit less. Thats just my .02.

I've got a source for the 6700 already for a price cheaper than what I have listed, i just threw that one out there because I had a hard reference.

I've looked on DangerDen and I can only find a block for the 7900 and not the 7950. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough =/
 
Yeah my bad on DD I just saw 7900 and the brain said yeah thats the one. I know I have seen WC'd 7950's. Well if you got a "in" for the 6700 then go for it for sure. Now I need to do a little checking up on this water block thing.

*edit*

here is what I saw http://www.dangerden.com/news.php , looks like it is in testing.
 
aero cool released the first plans to get a 7950 watercooled. might check with them first.

Alienware had a liquid cooling system for there 7950GX2 computers. might look into that too.

but yeah man! looks wicked sick! your system FTW!
 
I'd ditch the 2x36gb Raptors and go with a single Raptor 150 instead. Probably similar speed and no worries about RAID array crashing. $199 at Newegg AR.

The 7200.10 Seagate 320gb at the 'Egg is $95 and uses perpendicular technology, sopposed to be faster.

Looks pretty good otherswise, looks like you've done your homework.
 
MrWizard6600 said:
aero cool released the first plans to get a 7950 watercooled. might check with them first.

Alienware had a liquid cooling system for there 7950GX2 computers. might look into that too.

but yeah man! looks wicked sick! your system FTW!



I did find a VGA 7950 called "Black Pearl(??)" card that had waterblocks already attached, and you could just buy the block and the card together. I don't know, hopefully my case modding will take longer than I plan, and getting a Conroe seems to be a time-consuming endeavour in itself. So either I just be satisfied with air cooling till a block comes out...

OR

Maybe I should just get a 7900 and use it until the DX 10 cards come out? 7900 should be plenty good to last me a year or so?
 
jreffy said:
I did find a VGA 7950 called "Black Pearl(??)" card that had waterblocks already attached, and you could just buy the block and the card together. I don't know, hopefully my case modding will take longer than I plan, and getting a Conroe seems to be a time-consuming endeavour in itself. So either I just be satisfied with air cooling till a block comes out...

OR

Maybe I should just get a 7900 and use it until the DX 10 cards come out? 7900 should be plenty good to last me a year or so?

thats up to you and how how high of a res you like to play at. A single 7900gt or GTX is pretty damn good, and with DX10 stuff around the corner if I were to upgrade I would consider just a single card solution, but its all up to you and what you want out of this PC. If you want to play at a super high res with all the candy turned on stick with th 7950, but if you play at some other the lower resolutions get a 7900gtx. But the other side of the coin is that a 7900GTX isnt a whole hell of alot cheaper than a 7950gx2 seeing as how you are effectively getting SLI in a single card.
 
Ok, I dove into the OC-ing sticky on the Intel Forum and looked at the speeds everyone has gotten their Conroe. After looking at that, I've decided to go with the 6600. I don't know why but it seems that the speeds are relatively the same between the 6600 and 6700, whereas there's a big difference if you step up to the big dog 6800. Saves me about 150$ too


and by saving that 150$ I feel better going with the 7950, haha.


Can anyone offer some advice up for motherboards, is there anything out there that's cheaper, but yet still as effective for OC-ing?
 
It's a little disappointing that you don't care much about sound, but oh well.

What monitor do you have?
 
454Casull said:
It's a little disappointing that you don't care much about sound, but oh well.

What monitor do you have?


Haven't picked one out yet, but definitely going with at least a flatpanel, 20" Widescreen. The reason I don't care too much about sound right now is that I have a decent set of speakers that I don't want to get rid of. Once I decide to upgrade those, I'll look into upgrading my sound. But since they don't need to be replaced, I don't need to go the extra mile.
 
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