GPU/CPU formats. Should they switch?

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It's getting to the point where video cards are getting hotter and hotter, bugger and bigger, and more and more amp hungry. We are being given more and more CPU options. How many different CPU's can you buy now? Over a dozen? With basically 2 GPU's?

Why not have a GPU motherboard and CPU cards?

Have a socket for the GPU, so you can upgrade, and swap out the CPU card.

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there not getting hotter, they're getting more power efficient, and less hot.

and MSI has done that, two GO 6600GTs on a single PCB, which fits into a PCI-e slot.
 
MrWizard6600 said:
and MSI has done that, two GO 6600GTs on a single PCB, which fits into a PCI-e slot.
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Thats wasn't really what I was thinking about. Two GPU's on the same card are still on a card. I'm asking why not have a GPU motherboard and a CPU PCI-e slot. CPU's actually were on a card once upon a PII.
 
Ive seen ASROCK do a upgrade board for their motherboards where they have a board that slides into your current mobo that allows S939 to go to AM2. Perhaps thats along the lines of what you are speaking of but theres not many of them out therem yet.
 
just because the P2's and P3's were in a slot mounting doesnt mean they were on a peripheral card. It was just a different mounting scheme.

Anyways the CPU is far more necessary than a GPU in the x86 way of things.

upriverpaddler said:
Thats wasn't really what I was thinking about. Two GPU's on the same card are still on a card. I'm asking why not have a GPU motherboard and a CPU PCI-e slot. CPU's actually were on a card once upon a PII.
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What do you mean by only 2 gpu's? If you mean companies, there are only 2 cpu companies as well. ;)

If you mean different product lines (ala 7900GT v. 7950GX2, X1900 v. X1800, etc.) then there are many more options than that.
 
upriverpaddler said:
CPU's actually were on a card once upon a PII.
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I think that's different, that was to accommodate for off die cache I believe.
 
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CPU's actually were on a card once upon a PII.


I think that's different, that was to accommodate for off die cache I believe.
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I mentioned it only to illustrate that it is physically possible to run a CPU without the "little square socket" concept that we are all familiar with.


What do you mean by only 2 gpu's? If you mean companies, there are only 2 cpu companies as well.
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The origin for my idea was that there are now more CPU types that require certain chipsets to function making it a little more complicated than it was 1 or 2 years ago. While you have an nVidia GPU and an ATI GPU that are relatively the same through their generations.

And these new dual GPU cards are big enough to cause mounting problems. And the new ATI's are hotter, requiring 2 slots for cooling schemes.

SBC's and VIA micro ATX boards prove that you can put the CPU in a smaller package. So let ATI and nVidia have the motherboard space to solve our GPU demands and shove a micro ATX board in the PCI-E

So my original post was a WHAT IF, WHY NOT, change the scheme. Consider it going beyond BTX.
 
are you talking about having a socket where you can swap out the processor on the GPU, kinda like you can do with processors?
 
filthysanchez said:
are you talking about having a socket where you can swap out the processor on the GPU, kinda like you can do with processors?
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Possibly, yes. With an entire motherboard dedicated to graphics, GPU's could be upgradeable. And then if you want to update your CPU, you just buy a new PCI-E card.
 
lol, I dont mean to state the obvious but theres already a way to change cpu and it is the most cost effective way.
A GPU isnt the only thing that changes when you upgrade your graphics, a lot of the supporting hardware on the card changes too so it wouldnt be as simple.
They created the PCI-e slot for just the job :)
 
ASRock makes a modern "slotted" cpu, "future upgrade slot" or something. If you look at it you'll see the ram slots are on there too. Probably the one of the reasons why it's not very practical. As for socketed gpus? Doesn't the ram matter alot with those as well? How are you gonna upgrade that as well, seeing as they go thru ram types pretty fast too. Anyhow I wouldn't worry about it, I think the power hungry gpu thing is just a phase.
 
yeah I got the idea, I think the current system does what is needed.

Improvements to graphics cards include more stable/stronger power supply, new gpu core, faster memory, sometimes new bios type... so all need to be changable.

The graphics card has its own dedicated socket anyway called the PCI-e slot.
Its a lot easier to plug a cpu in a small socket than it is a graphics card.

There wouldnt be a lot of difference with the graphics performance tbh.
Placing the graphics card on the motherboard would serve to shorten some connection trace lengths which will lower latency.
Thing is, do you notice a lag when playing games on a PCI-e bus graphics card?
If not then it wouldnt help much.

ps
there are way way more than 2 graphics card models ;)
 
444 said:
ASRock makes a modern "slotted" cpu, "future upgrade slot" or something. If you look at it you'll see the ram slots are on there too. Probably the one of the reasons why it's not very practical. As for socketed gpus? Doesn't the ram matter alot with those as well? How are you gonna upgrade that as well, seeing as they go thru ram types pretty fast too. Anyhow I wouldn't worry about it, I think the power hungry gpu thing is just a phase.
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I so hope you are right.
There are some basic power specs of the next gen DX10 cards floating round reporting they will need 300W !!
 
Chernobyl1 said:
The graphics card has its own dedicated socket anyway called the PCI-e slot.Its a lot easier to plug a cpu in a small socket than it is a graphics card.
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Yes, I'm aware of that.

Improvements to graphics cards include more stable/stronger power supply, new gpu core, faster memory, sometimes new bios type... so all need to be changable.
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This reaffirms my idea

Placing the graphics card on the motherboard would serve to........
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AAARRRRGH. The graphics card would BE the motherboard. Not BE ON it.

ps
there are way way more than 2 graphics card models ;)
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