First Timer, New System

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I will be building a new computer in the near future. I am looking for a flexible system that allows much room for future additions and improvements (OCing included). On top of that, due to my newbiness, I don't want a system that is crazy enough that, if I mess it up during my first build, I will be losing out on a decent chunk of change. However, at the same time, I would much appreciate a system with high performance while getting great value for price. Also, system with as little bottlenecking as possible would be nice, whether that requires tweaks after the components are bought or not. My total budget would max at $3000 (hopefully).

Details:

For a case, I have no idea. Please throw in ideas. I will start researching these right now because so far I have been looking into internal components rather than case or keyboard or speakers.

For a motherboard, it seems to me that I want a dual graphics card setup to enable me to play current and future games (Diablo 3, Starcraft 2, Crysis, Spore, etc.) at high settings. I would also appreciate strong bus speed and bus width. Specifically, I was looking towards the XFX 790i, but there was some talk about Skt 1367 on Intel Mobo/CPU? I didn't catch all of it as I was skimming the forums.

For a CPU, I would like a relatively cheap quad-core with overclocking capabilities. From what I read, people are recommending the Q6600? But again, people are mentioning the Skt 1367 or whatever it was. So I wasn't sure if now was even a good time to buy.

For Graphics, I was looking into the HD4870, possibly two of them. I have also read that the 8800GTX or 9800GTX are solid, just a bit more costly. As for monitor, I think 24" will be fairly satisfactory. Possibly two after a while, but one for now.

For RAM, I have been told the DDR2 1066 RAMs are still solid, but the DDR3 @ 2000Mhz look so lovely that I just can't resist. Any strong arguments against the DDR3 2000?

For PSU, looks like the Corsair 1000w is the way to go, especially for people looking to stay open to relatively serious upgrades.

For cooling, man there are so many good arguments going this way and that. I really would like to try out a watercooler just for kicks and for the ability to perform exceptional overclocks, but some people are saying watercooling is difficult and tedious to accomplish for a first-timer. I am completely open to discussion for further arguments on cooling.

For HD, I have been following flash drive technologies and they are beginning to sell them for internal drive usage (check Alienware for a $1700 128GB Internal Flash Drive). Seems intruiging and full of potential. However, the most I want to wait for a new computer is probably one year. What do you guys think? Otherwise I will grab a high memory transfer, high RPM, high memory cache HD.

For Mouse, I bought the Ratpadz XT today and I was wondering what people were referring to when they were talking about mouse feet? Is there a specific mouse I should get that doesn't wear down their mouse feet on the Ratpadz XT as easily? Or is that unavoidable?

Add. Info:
I am new to building computers. I am (somewhat) new to technical detail. I am new to overclocking. I am new to watercooling. Above all, I am eager to learn.



If there is any more detail required for more tailored responses/recommendations, please let me know.
 
The price VS Performance is way down with DDR3 in general, but with DDR3 2000 it's even more.
 
Nehalem is the codename for Intel's next generation CPU microachitecture. Initial previews show it offers a significant performance advantage over current Core2 design. The high end desktop variant of Nehalem called Bloomsfield will use socket LGA1366 and is set to be introduced in Q4 of this year. If you intend to wait till then to build a system, then ask for advice closer to that timeframe. Any advice we give you now will just be outdated and somewhat irrelevant by the end of the year.
 
Well, my biggest concern, if I attempt to build a new system within the next month or two, is the compatbility of today's generation of computer hardware to the next generation under which the Nehalem will fall.

I would love to buy a new system ASAP (although right now I have about $1500 in my bank account and I get about $500 per week... possibly more in the coming months). At the same time, however, I am trying to think of future developments.
 
If you want to upgrade to Nehalem later on you'd need a new CPU, motherboard, and RAM (3 sticks DDR3 minimum). Your HSF/WB would need replacement as well unless a LGA1366 adapter kit is made available for it.
 
i wouldnt wait for nehalem as that would probably be until the first half of 2009 and most programs/games dont even take full advantage of the cpu's out now and are mostly gpu bottlenecked
 
That information is incorrect. Intel has officially stated several times now that they are on track to deliver Nehalem starting in Q4 of 2008.
 
i know its coming out this year i was refering to when it would really be adopted by the mainstream market rather than just those extremely high-end individuals, sorry for not stating that earlier,
 
That information is incorrect. Intel has officially stated several times now that they are on track to deliver Nehalem starting in Q4 of 2008.

Ok then, is software not going to be able to take advantage of the new microarchitecture? Is it only theoretically, potentially faster without the software being geared towards utilizing the new microarchitecture?

If I can build a system right now that will last for two or three years as a decently ranked machine, then I will do that.

However, if this new microarchitecture will revamp current speed limits, is not backwards compatible with the current and nearly completed games/software, and is easy to take advantage enough that software will be developed quickly, then I should wait.
 
No you don't need any special software to take advantage of the speed increase Nehalem delivers. Nehalem is significantly faster both in single and multi-threaded applications. It looks right now as if it will provide one of the largest boosts in performance between generations that Intel has ever pulled off. What onedestinazn2 was saying is that currently modern games (excluding RTS) are typically bottlenecked by the graphics card, not the CPU. So if gaming is your one and only concern then Nehalem won't be much of a benefit initially. If you do anything else that would benefit from a faster processor than it's another story altogether.
 
There's a unwritten rule you need to consider when it comes to building a computer: Wait as long as you can, until you can't wait any longer.

If you need to build a computer now (within the next month or so), check out a few of the recent "help me build" threads and come up with a few ideas you want to use.

If you want to wait until Nehalem arrives -- while it will arrive around Q4 of this year, you may have to wait until Q1 of this year for more of the mainstream components -- hold off for now and revisit this thread about two or three weeks before you want to order everything.
 
Thank you to all who have contributed here then... you guys were really helpful.

I think I will buy my machine sooner rather than later (try to at least finish purchasing components by the end of August).

I can still have great fun playing games with solid performance while I wait the 2-3 years for the Nehalem architecture to get more integrated into development of future hardware and software as well as cheaper prices.

I think I will redo my wishlist on a new thread after reviewing other new system threads and ask for reviews/recommendations after I have more specific ideas for certain parts.

Be sure to help me out further later this week when I actually have specific pieces I want for my new system! Thanks again!
 
There's no need for a new thread. Just look around for ideas and post your build list here.

I'll even help: Here's a variant of a system build that I made for someone else earlier today.

$61 - Cooler Master RC-690 case
$107 - Corsair TX750 750W PSU ($20 mail-in rebate)
$130 - Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3R
$37 - Xigmatek HDT-S1283 ($10 mail-in rebate)
$7 - Xigmatek ACK-I7751 retention bracket (makes mounting the HDT-S1283 easier)
$330 - Intel Q9450 (or Q9550 if/when it has its price drop at the end of July)
$85 - G.Skill 4GB (2x2GB) DDR2 1000 kit
$90 - Western Digital Caviar 640GB SATA HDD
$27 - Samsung SH-S203N SATA DVD Burner w/ LightScribe
$285 - VisionTek HD4870
$110 - Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit OEM
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$1269 - Subtotal (not including shipping, taxes, or rebates)

I didn't include any recommendations for peripherals or a monitor because I believe that they are a subjective matter. (For now, one HD4870 would be enough for your 24" monitor.) You could either make tweaks to the above setup to suit your tastes, or you could use the time that I just freed up for you to conduct more research.

Additionally, check out the GenHard FAQ. It's designed for hardware novices like yourself and contains lots of useful information.
 
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