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When has it ever been a good idea to chastise a customer on Twitter for not tipping? Unless you are the owner of your company or you like unemployment, I'm inclined to say "never."
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Fired For Calling Out Non-Tipping Customer On Twitter
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I tip, but the problem I have with tipping is that it's based on a percentage of the total cost of the order. It doesn't matter if I have a $6 burger or the $25 steak, you don't deserve a better tip just because you carried a more expensive food item to me.
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a family member of mine got fired after facebook posting a (censored) photo of a receipt during a $500 order where the tip was a handwritten message that the real tip needed to be fellated.
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Have you ever worked as a waiter or a delivery driver? Do you have any idea how averages and percentages work?
Tips on the large orders make up for tightfisted people who think its ok to derp around and tip a flat fee rather than a percent. Also, the larger the order, generally the more items that are brought out to you, hence the waiter is doing more work per order.
No where is that more important than being a waiter or waitress where it is completely 100% legal to pay below the minimum wage and their entire earning potential comes from tips. For delivery drivers that get paid more than minimum wage the tipping is debatable, but their pay still isn't that good and they have to deal with extra wear and tear on their vehicle.
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I think the idea behind it is the more expensive the restaurant the better service you receive. However, like you said, food prices can vary a lot at some places.
That $25 steak required a lot more care and attention to make than some $6 burger. It requires more work and care especially because they have to be cooked perfectly.
I never get people who find all sorts of ways to justify why they should tip only a certain amount. If someone doesn't want to tip, they should go to the local fast food joint, cook a meal themselves, or get a significant other to cook which can arguably be much more expensive.
but your not tipping the cook.
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This man gets it. Thank you.
stealthy123
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Complete dick move for the non tippers to call and complain to his boss.
He shouldn't have tweeted that shit, but why the hell would they complain about it and get him fired?
He shouldn't have tweeted that shit, but why the hell would they complain about it and get him fired?
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Better yet, they should let the server know they do not intend to tip and/or only intend to tip a set amount.
Tips don't go back to the chef, or at least I've never heard of a place where you tip out the chef. It is the server who gets the tips.
Also seriously, cooking a steak does not require a ton of care. Try it some time. It isn't that hard.
... Wut? Are you seriously suggesting that your tip go to the cook? This may happen, but it's rare and very far in between.
And as for bringing out the food to you, it shouldn't be dependent on how expensive the food is. It's food, and it should be carried out with care, regardless.
I tip, but I tip based on how the restaurant received me. If I'm picking up or getting food delivered, they aren't doing anything more than their job of giving me the food. I give basically 2 dollars flat unless the guy received me well, and prepped things.
If a guy expect tips after forgetting I exist, then all I have to say is FUCK YOU. And that has happened, and I tipped.... and I hope it went to the manager who gave us one of the meals for free. The waiter went to get us more coffee, and never came back, and didn't even bring out all of the food. Stupid thing is, it seemed like he was asking for more tables to wait on. Retarded....
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The minimum wage laws need to be changed to where income is actually liveable at a minimum and applies to any and all workers with zero exceptions. To that tie ALL government employee pay to the minimum wage such as Congressmen and Senators get paid O3, and E1 is the current minimum wage.
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2 things:
A lot of places do actually ask for a percentage of the tips to go into a pool that is split between the cooks and bus boys.
Cooking a steak to order that is cooked properly, while cooking 15 other steaks, a dozen chicken breasts, and 5 orders of grilled salmon is pretty freaking hard, actually.
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I hope tipping never reaches our shores. This guy has serious entitlement issues.
See for myself I never tip but in all honestly If I do go out to eat I make sure to bring a couple people with me so they can leave the tip.
Also to be honest with you I actually cant stand when I am eating and they keep coming to my table over and over and over again. I will actually tell them to back off and leave us alone right after they deliver the food. Waiters/Waitresses are annoying IMO
Also to be honest with you I actually cant stand when I am eating and they keep coming to my table over and over and over again. I will actually tell them to back off and leave us alone right after they deliver the food. Waiters/Waitresses are annoying IMO
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I think you're confusing the cook with the server here. Your point would be relevant if it was the cook who got the tip.
As far as tipping goes, I learned something important about tipping from my grandmother (who wasnot only a server, but ran a very nice hotel restaurant back in the day). Obviously common sense dictates that the tip is based on the quality of the service, and an excellent server received an excellent tip. But if she felt that the service was poor, she'd leave a penny tip. She explained that not leaving a tip teaches the server nothing, it just pisses the them off because they just think that you're cheap and didn't leave a tip, but that leaving a penny was an insult to the server, and reflects that the service was poor. Sadly, I doubt that the "entitled" kids of today have the capacity to understand the meaning behind it.
You've never been a server before. It's one of the most stressful jobs in the Country.
No, I haven't, and I never claimed that it wasn't stressful. But if you can't do a proper job, stressful or not, don't fuckin' expect a tip, when you can't even do a good job of it. That's like a server maintenance guy going in and restarts all the server by unplugging the servers and plugging it back in. Did he restart the servers? sure, was it a proper job? hell no.
Dont want to work for minimum wage? Dont take a minimum wage job. Just because it is legal for a restaurant to set their rate to $2.13 and let tips make up the difference does not change the fact its still a minimum wage job. If the tips do not make up the difference of $5.12 per hour then under the Wages and the Fair Labor Standards Act the employer must make up the difference. Seems fair to me. Is there potential to make more than minimum wage? Sure but its not guaranteed and that is the risk you take.
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I wish I had the balls not to tip a bad server. I have a feeling someone that who post something like that on twitter instead brush it off was a bad server.
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No ones quoted Mr Pink yet?
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Easy way to solve that problem. Tell the server you wont be leaving a tip. They wont come back unless called upon.
The keyword is stress. Being a server technician is not as stressful as dealing with hungry people.
You have no idea what all they have going on. You even said yourself that you seen the server taking orders. Ever stopped to think that the server got tables at a faster pace than humanly possible to serve them in a timely manner, yet was stilling doing the best that he could? Someone probably should have helped him if he was in the weeds that bad, sadly most people don't help and the managers are usually impossible to find when you need them.I never, ever walk away without leaving a tip. Even if the service wasn't that good; I still tip something because I've been there, done that. I know how it can be. Not tipping them just adds to the stress. In fact, I very seldom tip less than $5. If my total order was $9.56, I leave $5. When I get free drinks at the casinos, sitting at the bar playing Video Poker, I tip $5 per free drink for the first 2 - 3 drinks, then I go down to $2 if it's the same bartender. Since you could easily entertain yourself for hours, you'll never have a hot beverage. I hate hot beer that's supposed to be chilled.
You ever go into a restaurant where the gratuity is automatically added to your check?
Its a crock of BS.
Every time I've ate somewhere the tip is added in, the servers get ticked that you don't leave an additional tip AND the service is poor as hell.
I'm not a cheapskate and leave 2 bucks if the service is poor and upwards of 20% if I receive great service. But tipping is an option, it guarantees better service from your servers.
I understand a server's wage is a joke, and many places give the busboys server wages and tell the servers they have to split tips with the busboys (worked at one of those places myself). Server wages are a joke, and yes they need their tips to get by, and yes those wages are often abused by employers trying to make an extra buck (at least here in the US).
But hey, if you took the job knowing people are cheap assholes, deal with it or ask yourself what you might have done to not get a tip and fix it. Don't lash out.
And for everyone else, don't go on the rag when you screw over your server with a cute little note instead of a tip then they post it on twitter or facebook and everyone sees how much of an ass you were.
Its a crock of BS.
Every time I've ate somewhere the tip is added in, the servers get ticked that you don't leave an additional tip AND the service is poor as hell.
I'm not a cheapskate and leave 2 bucks if the service is poor and upwards of 20% if I receive great service. But tipping is an option, it guarantees better service from your servers.
I understand a server's wage is a joke, and many places give the busboys server wages and tell the servers they have to split tips with the busboys (worked at one of those places myself). Server wages are a joke, and yes they need their tips to get by, and yes those wages are often abused by employers trying to make an extra buck (at least here in the US).
But hey, if you took the job knowing people are cheap assholes, deal with it or ask yourself what you might have done to not get a tip and fix it. Don't lash out.
And for everyone else, don't go on the rag when you screw over your server with a cute little note instead of a tip then they post it on twitter or facebook and everyone sees how much of an ass you were.
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I tip, but servers aren't entitled. Do a great job and take what you can get. Whether it's a buck or 100 bucks, it all adds up.
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You are welcome. I worked as a delivery driver for 4 years. Dealt with a lot of good and bad shit. I have several friends who have worked as waiters and bartenders as well. Some of them made amazing money, but they worked their ass off for it and earned every penny.
After reading the article the main thing I am having a hard time with is that there was no wait staff involvement. Essentially it was a (large)order placed at an order window, and the customer received the food from the pickup window. It seems to me that the cook(s?) are whining that they didn't receive a tip for doing their normal job responsibilities. If the food was delivered, or a wait-staff member brought the food to them then a tip may be appropriate, but as I see it this is similar to a fast-food scenario wouldn't tip at a BK...would you?
I always tip well above the % they say. I can see the 6 buck burger versus the 25 buck steak thing for one person kinda. I would still tip more if I spent 25.. Usually though the more money equals more people at the table. Tips are what pays most of the waiter/waitresses salary's. People are so dam cheap.
They have to get tips to survive. WTF don't you get. They don't even get paid min wage as they rely on tips more for income. I think a % for tips should be added to the bill total a law.
Not necessarily. Gratuity generally applies to larger parties (6 or more). While it is a percentage of the check, sure, it helps the waiter cover tip pooling which can get egregiously large (see below). For parties of lesser size, you're (again, generally) the one to decide the tip total. Restaurants do incur significantly more overhead when dealing with larger parties and gratuity helps mitigate this by helping the establishment pay the waiter, bus staff, and so on.
Where I've worked, tip pool is a percentage of total sales by that waiter and is paid in by the waiter, out of their tips. That's why leaving a tip proportionate to check is reasonable. If you've left no tip, the waiter still pays into the pool.
I could give this a "wow" but I'm all too familiar with the likes of this attitude.
I used to be a sous chef at a restaurant where there was only 3 wait staff and they didn't get to keep their tips. The tips went to the managers and owners. And they still didn't make any more per hour than anywhere else. They had a HUGE turnover on waitstaff and eventually closed because no one would wait tables there.
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In addition to the waiter adding tipping say a bus boy on their sales total, they're taxed on that sales total as well in most places.
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Still confused how it reached this point in the first place (tipping is almost frowned upon where I live
)Is it really "tipping" if it's mandatory?
entitlement? naw, I didn't see entitlement issues there.
Tipping is a way of saying "thanks" and saluting the chef/waiter/server...and is considered as a courteous thing to do.
Now, if the guy kept getting the order wrong or the service wasn't that good...fine, I'd understand but in this case...it's f***ed up.
So much for a "global governance leader" or "professional" for that matter.
My own general rules of thumb for tip:
Sit-down restaurant or cafe where they serve you: 15%-20%
If you liked it, more is ok.
Take-out from restaurant, 10%
If you liked it, more is ok.
Fast-food (mom & pop or pizza joint): $1 (though I adjust this to match the amount ordered in case I have a large order)
And I never leave "silver" or do it on plastic, only bills (round up or down to nearest bill depending on how good the service was/is)
now with that out of the way....a $170 order...on a food truck...that's quite a bit.
And plastic was used.
I bet it pissed off others in the line too.
To add to the fire, the way Glass, Lewis, and A-holes dealt with it.....it will definitely get ppl buzzing and shaming them.
The sad part is that as a side-effect, innocent food truckers (including those from Milk Truck) will get hurt because of it.
I notice you deliberately omitted "burger"
But actually cooking all that is easy if you know how to cook.
1) sear meat on both sides for 2-3 minutes
2) put in oven at 400 until done
In the oven it has no chance of burning unless the cook is taking a 30 min break, and it remains juicy.