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Dual Geforce 6 ?

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thylantyr

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Maybe this has been discussed before..........

I'm going to delay my computer upgrade itch in favor of ...
perhaps -> Nforce 4, PCIe, and using dual GF6 video cards (SLI or
equivalent mode :) )

Whom else?

The way I see it.. Maybe by next summer we will have quality of
quality games using the next gen engines and money spend then
may give you a better bang for the buck.
 
thylantyr said:
Maybe this has been discussed before..........

I'm going to delay my computer upgrade itch in favor of ...
perhaps -> Nforce 4, PCIe, and using dual GF6 video cards (SLI or
equivalent mode :) )

Whom else?
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How long you going to wait 6 months plus before we can actually buy stuff is pretty long IMO.
 
For gaming you need uber_hardware. Buying uber_hardware
now just to play two games is an expensive proposition. It would
seem by next summer you would have to upgrade again :p :eek: :)

I'm not all that excited about D3, 1/2 Life, or Farcry.
 
thylantyr said:
For gaming you need uber_hardware. Buying uber_hardware
now just to play two games is an expensive proposition. It would
seem by next summer you would have to upgrade again :p :eek: :)

I'm not all that excited about D3, 1/2 Life, or Farcry.
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Whats the difference compared to buying next summer, for good performance you will have to upgrade a year after that. Thats the way it always has been and probablly will be for a long while.
 
UltimaParadox said:
Whats the difference compared to buying next summer, for good performance you will have to upgrade a year after that. Thats the way it always has been and probablly will be for a long while.
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If you SLI you'll be able to skip a generation. Well if you SLI a GT that is.
 
The Batman said:
If you SLI you'll be able to skip a generation. Well if you SLI a GT that is.
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Nobody knows that for a fact.

And by the time SLI is widely available won't be we hitting at least the refresh of the product cycle
 
UltimaParadox said:
Nobody knows that for a fact.

And by the time SLI is widely available won't be we hitting at least the refresh of the product cycle
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which would be a good thing... as that would drop the prices of the current generation...
 
UltimaParadox said:
Nobody knows that for a fact.

And by the time SLI is widely available won't be we hitting at least the refresh of the product cycle
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Common Sense >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fact

Dual GTs will give you almost twice the performence of 1 GT. The refresh is going to be a slight speed bump, 10% increase in performence at absolute best, it's no big shit. Even then, typically brand new non-refresh graphic cores do NOT bring about twice the performence [this generation being more of a fluke than anything else].

Also, why does everyone insist on all the 'you don't know" bullshit. I mean if we're not allowed to comment on things that have yet to pass WHY THE FUCK ARE WE HERE! Seriously, get your heads out of the sand, read up a bit, use some common fucking sense, and make some guesstimates because I promise you 2 GTs in SLI will tear apart 1 6950U. I promise Satan will not come for eternal soul.
 
reguardless... i will be getting an SLI setup.. esp with the extra cash coming in from uncle sam!!! (GI BILL) wooooo yaeah! :D
 
The Batman said:
Common Sense >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fact

Dual GTs will give you almost twice the performence of 1 GT. The refresh is going to be a slight speed bump, 10% increase in performence at absolute best, it's no big shit. Even then, typically brand new non-refresh graphic cores do NOT bring about twice the performence [this generation being more of a fluke than anything else].

Also, why does everyone insist on all the 'you don't know" bullshit. I mean if we're not allowed to comment on things that have yet to pass WHY THE FUCK ARE WE HERE! Seriously, get your heads out of the sand, read up a bit, use some common fucking sense, and make some guesstimates because I promise you 2 GTs in SLI will tear apart 1 6950U. I promise Satan will not come for eternal soul.
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preach on brother batman

If you watch video cards for 10 years you get a feeling for how things are gonna go down in the next 6 months...we know what games are coming out...we know nvidia's and ati's roadmaps...it doesn't take a genius to figure out that an SLI setup will likely last you till Longhorn is released...
 
I haven't upgraded in 4 years :)
I never upgraded yearly

I only upgrade when the games I enjoy are not playable at
1024 x 768 resolution and high quality settings, this allows me to
wait longer on my next upgrade because I don't play in 1600x1200.

Now that all the cards have been placed on the table (pun),
we can now analyze the data.

Here is my train of thought, maybe I'm wrong :)
1. The Doom3 engine runs awesome on GF6. In the coming years
you will see new games using this engine and you will see newer
video cards too, but by then the old GF6 should run pretty good still.

2. The Half Life engine is what suffers a bit on GF6 hardware, even
ATI hardware is not that much faster. There will be games also
coming in years using this engine and I doubt that current generation
cards will last as long.

3. What about the Unreal Engine 3 ? This engine beats down current
generation cards but it plays good enough for game developers to
continue work. Current generation cards will not be cool when using
this engine from the looks of it so you will have to upgrade when these
games come out.

4. On some website (Anand?), they showed that CPU scaling wasn't as dramatic
as GPU scaling, ie, small increases in CPU performance didn't offer
the huge increase in framerates as people may think, the performance
was more or less dictacted by the GPU.

The only conclusion that I can come up with is this. If you can wait
for 'SLI' GF6, then buy the hardware that supports it and make sure
that there are sufficient games of interest to play. Buy one GF6
card and enjoy. Wait a year, maybe two, skip a generation of
video card and buy your second GF6 later at reduced price to
double your video performance for much less than buying a
next gen card that may not double performance > unsure <

What about GF7 features? What if Nvidia adds more functionality
to the GF7 and offers higher framerates than GF6 (but not double) ?
The first thing that comes to mind is ths. The new features in GF7
allow game developers to design future games that utliize these
features, current games won't take advantage of it because the
game didn't support it yet. People with dual GF6 will probably
have a better overal gaming experience than a single GF7, because
the assumption is based on that dual GF6 > one GF7 speedwise.

But if money is no object, then buy two GF7 SLI :
:) :cool:
 
Sounds like a great plan thylantyr, but none of the hardware for SLI is readily available. Not only are the NO dual pci-e mobos out, but none slated for months at least, with high-end pci-e graphics cards virtually impossible to find and slated for an even longer timetable. Therefore there is no way to buy a system now that will be easily upgradeable unless you buy intel 775 with a crap gpu, so you suffer performance wise until you can upgrade later, while also losing the 64 bit capability with cpu's that only match others that have been out for almost a year. :rolleyes:
 
ehZn said:
Sounds like a great plan thylantyr, but none of the hardware for SLI is readily available. Not only are the NO dual pci-e mobos out, but none slated for months at least, with high-end pci-e graphics cards virtually impossible to find and slated for an even longer timetable. Therefore there is no way to buy a system now that will be easily upgradeable unless you buy intel 775 with a crap gpu, so you suffer performance wise until you can upgrade later, while also losing the 64 bit capability with cpu's that only match others that have been out for almost a year. :rolleyes:
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It all comes to money. If SLI is outperforming the next gen by that much, Nvidia will have do something about it, to make sure there is a reason to upgrade. While, I might be a bit cynical about it, its not going to be the end all upgrade. Same thing happened with the Voodoo SLI setups, they didn't last as long as people thought they would.
 
thylantyr said:
I'm going to delay my computer upgrade itch in favor of ...
perhaps -> Nforce 4, PCIe, and using dual GF6 video cards (SLI or
equivalent mode :) )

Whom else?

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I'm right there with you. My rig is good *enough* to play games through the end of the year I think. I'll upgrade when the NForce4 (or equivalent), PCIe, SLI stuff hits the shelves.
 
thylantyr said:
Maybe this has been discussed before..........

I'm going to delay my computer upgrade itch in favor of ...
perhaps -> Nforce 4, PCIe, and using dual GF6 video cards (SLI or
equivalent mode :) )

Whom else?

The way I see it.. Maybe by next summer we will have quality of
quality games using the next gen engines and money spend then
may give you a better bang for the buck.
Click to expand...

I think even if SLI does come on by next summer, I would assume that it would be quite the premium. Also, there aren't any benchmarks out (i think?) there to demonstrate how much performance increase is SLI over current setups. I would assume that even if SLI comes out, they will still need time tweak it to the point where it is feasible for people to buy.
 
This is nothing more than the same discussion that comes up everytime a new piece of hardware comes out. It is the "Buy Now" OR "Wait For The Next Big Thing" debate.

There are always those who say you should wait for the next big thing. I used to be one of those people. But, at some point, you realize if you keep waiting for the next big thing, then all you will ever be doing is waiting.

I bought a 6800 GT and upgraded my other compnents not too long ago. I am very happy with my current system. When the SLI stuff comes out, and if it is everything it is hoped to be, i may sell my current stuff and apply that money to a new SLI rig. I will lose a little money due to re-sale value of my current stuff, i am sure. But, at least i get to have beautiful graphics in my current games, as well as my future ones.

And honestly, if you are planning on spending the money to go SLI, when the time comes, you aren't exactly pinching every penny. I realize the thought is that the price of the SLI capable GF6 cards will have dropped at that point, but i don't think it will drop that much.

Even if a 6800 GT costs $300 or so at that point, 2 of them will cost $600. The performance will be great, but the price will be too.

And, in response to thylantyr, who said he wasn't really interested in Doom 3, Half-Life 2, or FarCry: What games exactly are you excited about next year? Why are you interested in SLI at all? I mean, you just named the 3 games that actually could use the power that SLI would provide. Other than the Unreal 3 engine, these are the game engines that will tax graphics accelerators for the next couple of years. If you aren't interested in performance in these games (and their engines, which will power most of the big titles for the next two years), then you won't even need SLI. Just a thought.
 
Valen said:
I think even if SLI does come on by next summer, I would assume that it would be quite the premium. Also, there aren't any benchmarks out (i think?) there to demonstrate how much performance increase is SLI over current setups. I would assume that even if SLI comes out, they will still need time tweak it to the point where it is feasible for people to buy.
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Hey now, we always need Guinea Pigs to test out new stuff... not everyone has enough money to plop down everytime something new comes out. :)
 
lol


I have a GF4200ti, 9700 Pro, and 9800XT sitting in a parts pile doing nothing


When the next gen comes out, I'll buy it! This X800 pro modded to XT PE is good enough for now. Dual core, SLI GF7... I'm there! Hehe
 
And, in response to thylantyr, who said he wasn't really interested in Doom 3, Half-Life 2, or FarCry: What games exactly are you excited about next year? Why are you interested in SLI at all?

I guess what I really meant was.. I do want to play those games
but I'm not excited to have them now, I could wait another year
to play them. I don't get the impression that this is a good time to
upgrade hardware because these next gen games are abusive
to current generation hardware, it would seem that money spent now
would make everything obsolete within a year.. I want at least 3 years
before each upgrade. /hehe

It seems that hardware performance advances have finally slowed down
quite a bit. The days of doubling clock every 1.5 years is over, rather
what we see is smaller % performance increases give or take. I was
ready to upgrade last year but the next gen games were delayed,
hardware advances were not as impressive as I expected and it also
makes you wonder why the next gen games were delayed? Was it
because the hardware wasn't up to par yet and game sales might have
suffered? Who knows...

The slow hardware advance has benefited game developers so allow
them to catchup and the next generation game code is now pushing
hardware technology to it's performance envelope.

We now need a big infusion back in the hardware sector with clever
CPU or system design to allow next gen games to play without a sweat...........

Oddly enough, 2004 seems like deja-vu for me and reminds me of
10+ years ago....
 
I can understand your desire to wait for SLI, if you want to. SLI should be very impressive.

However, i would disagree with what you said about hardware advancement. I would argue that the current top-end graphics cards mark a major advancement in performance. The fact that Doom 3, FarCry, and (from the early test results) Half-Life 2 can run at 1600 X 1200 with AA/AF turned on at completely playable frame-rates shows that this generation of hardware is actually ahead of the software developers.

Every previous generation of games seriously taxed the graphics hardware that was present at its release. Think of Quake 3 or the original Unreal. These games required the fastest cards out there, and still could only be run at 800 X 600, when they first came out.

In fact, this is the first time in 3D gaming history that i can remember having hardware capable of top notch graphics at the highest resolutions from the very release of the latest games. So, i would say that the hardware has advanced in the last year faster than perhaps it ever has in the history of add-in 3D graphics cards. From the release of the Radeon 9700 Pro to the current top cards, we have enjoyed a major leap in graphics power.

Just my opinions, and everyone can certainly disagree if they like. By the way, i am looking forward to seeing what Nvidia's SLI can do as well. Take care. :)
 
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