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Do i have bh-5?

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diehard

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I got2 sticks of kingston hyperx KHX3000/256 about 6 months ago. Ive never been able to get a good oc out of them (past 180). Ive tried just about everything, is the maximum 2.9v on my 8rda+ just not enough, if they are bh5?

Is there any way to be positive about what kind of chips they are? I don't even know know how to remove the heatspreader.
 
So basicly i found out that they are either bh-5 or bh-6. The sticker on the heatspreader reads:

KHX3000/26
9905200-017.A00
1168031-2.5V

Wouldnt you expect a better OC on this memory, even if they are bh-6? 180 seems kinda low.
 
You have to look under the heatspread, on the memory chip will give you the serial number which should look something like what I posted earlier.
 
how do i remove the heatspreader? Can it be removed without voiding the memory?
 
Sounds like your 8rda needs a vdd voltage mod to get you past 180fsb. I dont think your memory is holding you back especially when you are pumping 2.9v through it.
 
I was actually thinking of trading it in for a DFI ultra infinity or abit AN7.
 
Might need to up the voltage alittle. Heatspreader, not sure if it voids the warrenty, remove those two clips and then it should flip up. Maybe try relaxing your timings, the 8rda+ was suppose to be a good OC'er but I don't know the average OC. If you do trade in the AN7 looks to have some problems and the Infinity looks to have some little problems too. Both OC well but I wouldn't be getting one for OCing. I'm getting an Abit NF7-S.
 
ive tried the highest voltage the 8rda will go, 2.9v. I also looked at the NF7, but it would just be kinda wierd to "upgrade" to a board that i was looking at getting before i got my 8rda. I really wanted the AN7 to be good, i think the IDE placement is kickass.
 
Have you looked under the heatspreader yet? You might have Winbond CH-5 chips, I don't know how the OC though, check your timings too. It's DDR400 PC3200 right? Like these?: http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80092-9
Because if those are the same then it sounds like your memory is running at 360mhz instead of 400mhz. It could be that your mobo just doesn't run at those speeds but what about your CPU? What multi. are you set at?
 
You might want to ask here what everyones OC is with your board. Atleast then we can see what the limit seems to be. You might be interested in this thread: http://www.nforcershq.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=38819
Based on what I've read, I was expecting to pop the 2500+ in and simply bump the FSB to 200. Well, it didn't go that well. Currently running at around 180-185 FSB using the default voltage. However, it's not stable at 190 or higher, regardless of the Vcore or Vdimm voltage I've used (up to 1.8v and 2.8v). I've even used a single stick of the PC3200 with conservative settings, and it's still not stable.
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I would say 180 to 185 is pretty much average for a board that cannot reach 200 and needs to volt modded. Power supply and northbridge cooling may also have negative effects.
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yay!!!...at last my pc hit the 200fsbx10 with memory timing 2-2-2-6 in synch(no other modification)...and rock stable...but after i increased the voltage of my vdimm...although i set it to 2.9v, it only read 2.83v...2.77 only get me to the second iteration in prime95...but will it be bad for my ram to get such high voltage?...does it effect its lifespan?...
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No, it is PC3000. Right now im running 2-2-2-11. But i can't go past 180 with any timings or vdimm whether it be 2.5-4-4-11 or 2.5-6-6-12 on 2.6, 2.77. or 2.9 volts. My northbridge has a vantec fan on it with a good layer of AS3. Right now im running a 12.5 multi on 170fsb (180 isnt really even that stable, sorry) and of course i lowerd it when i tried to go higher.

I will take of the heatspreaders tomorrow morning and check out the ram chips, then come back here.

Thanks for you help everyone, i REALLY appreciate it.

oh btw, i CAN get my bus to run 200mhz when its not synced with my memory. how high would i have to set the bus to offset the negatives from running async?
 
if you are absolutely sure it is the ram that is holding you at 180fsb then the ram must be defective or something, because BH-5. BH-6, CH-5, hell even CH-6 could do higher than 180MHz.
 
i have no idea what it is thats holding me back.

i have a 300w sparkle and the 5v run is alittle low, at around 5% under. Any cause for concern?

Should i try non-dual channel on the ram?
 
PSU? I don't know, running some numbers it looks like you should be able to hit 180 with no problems before your memory starts to hold you back. Do you have a different board to test with? I don't really know what to say other then try testing them in another board if you can. Maybe swap out the PSU, it could be that your not getting enough voltage.
 
my first stick of hyperx wouldnt go past 180 either. i took the heatspreader off and it was kingston 4.5 n/s chips known to not go over 180fsb on nf2 boards. sent it back to kingston and got winbond bh5 back and they do cas2 -2-2-7 @stock voltage 200fsb on my asus and abit mobos. pop the heatspreaders of its actually quite simple and see what chips you actually got. but if you do rma it youll get ch 5 chips now :mad:
 
Oh boy what a morning. I removed the clips that go over the ram and then proceeded to gently pry the heatspreader off with a screwdriver cause it was like glued on. When i put back in the ram it would not post, long story short i noticed that i had connected 2 traces that shouldnt have been connected. i just scraped away where they connected, ran memtest and everything is dandy.


The ram says this:
KINGSTON
v56357
0305 P01
0328dW-50

does'nt really help me.. anyone got any idea of what it is?
I don't have another board to test with.

And i don't think i could RMA them, ive had them for like 8 months, and i threw away the package and paper they came with.
 
Originally posted by diehard
Oh boy what a morning. I removed the clips that go over the ram and then proceeded to gently pry the heatspreader off with a screwdriver cause it was like glued on. When i put back in the ram it would not post, long story short i noticed that i had connected 2 traces that shouldnt have been connected. i just scraped away where they connected, ran memtest and everything is dandy.


The ram says this:
KINGSTON
v56357
0305 P01
0328dW-50

does'nt really help me.. anyone got any idea of what it is?
I don't have another board to test with.

And i don't think i could RMA them, ive had them for like 8 months, and i threw away the package and paper they came with.
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well, that means it's winbond 5ns

whether it is rev. B or rev. C I don't know
but kingston just took winbond chips and rebranded them
 
Anyone else know?

if it is bh-5, should'nt it be almost guarenteed that its my mobo?
 
Originally posted by diehard
Oh boy what a morning. I removed the clips that go over the ram and then proceeded to gently pry the heatspreader off with a screwdriver cause it was like glued on. When i put back in the ram it would not post, long story short i noticed that i had connected 2 traces that shouldnt have been connected. i just scraped away where they connected, ran memtest and everything is dandy.


The ram says this:
KINGSTON
v56357
0305 P01
0328dW-50

does'nt really help me.. anyone got any idea of what it is?
I don't have another board to test with.

And i don't think i could RMA them, ive had them for like 8 months, and i threw away the package and paper they came with.
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the actaull chips underneath said kingston ? if so there the first rev. i didnt use a screw driver just pryed mine off with my fingers hehe. if it is kingston chips underneath the heatspreader make sure you cant tell it was removed and call kingston for a new set cause the the first rev of hyper x that used the kingston chips wont run past 180 in a nf2 board . you can cross rma the chips and have the newset on your door step by mon posiible tommorow. i had the very same problem and the kingston rep said those chips were the problem and that they started using winbonds this was over 6 months ago
 
have you even tried backing off the multi yet? try 11, since 12.5x200 is 2.5ghz, which isnt exactly easy to get with amd
 
It's definitely BH-5...and i don't think it's the memory.

Have you tried running ASYNC??
Set memory frequency to 83% ..and then try raising the FSB higher...If you get higher..It's the RAM ..if you don't it's the motherboard.
 
they dont want the package just the ram. just make sure you cant tell the heatspreader was taken off. all they need are the numbers off the sticker on the heatspreader. and you have to options thell pt a hold charge on a credit card, basically they just make sure they can charge the amount but they dont make a actual charge just verify its avalible and thell next day you some new ram and you have 14 days to return the old bad ram or they charge you cc. or you send the ram to them and when they recieve it they next day you some newsticks but it wont be bh5's morethan likely ch5's but it will run alot higher than 180fsb. also you can use the package they send the ram to you in if you do the cross ship method

if it was bh5 it would say bh5 winbond on the ic's all the hyperx iver played with that were winbond chips say winbond. my first rev had those kingston chips and they wouldnt work past 180 period even at 166 they gave off a few errors in memtest86 . the new rev are a14 the 01 leads me to beleive its the kingston chips
 
good news! i tried moving my ram around and figured out that if i have a stick in the 3rd slot, it won't oc worth crap. Right now im at 200fsb @2-2-2-11 @ 2.9v.

Is 2.9v safe? What are decent timings that i can just set it at and work for the highest fsb?
 
nice to hear that seems about what others are getting in the review section for the pc 3000 on newegg
 
I think im still gonna upgrade my mobo, cause if i raise it past 210 it resets pretty quick, no matter the timings. It would be really cool to get the max out of this ram.

Now i have to decide between the NFII ultra infinity, nf7-s and the AN7.

one more thing... how come both CPU-Z and AIDA show that my bus is only running 185?
 
Originally posted by [hard]420

if it was bh5 it would say bh5 winbond on the ic's all the hyperx iver played with that were winbond chips say winbond. my first rev had those kingston chips and they wouldnt work past 180 period even at 166 they gave off a few errors in memtest86 . the new rev are a14 the 01 leads me to beleive its the kingston chips
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kingston rebadges some of their chips.
 
Well I have some reviews for you then but I could only find one for the Infinity- not really a problem though since it performs very much like the LanParty version.
AN7- I would watch out for this one, has a few problems OC wise
http://www.motherboards.org/articlesd/editors-choice/1283_1.html
http://www.overclockers.com.au/article.php?id=239628&P=1

Infinity- Nice board
http://www.mbreview.com/nf2inf-2.php

NF7-S- This is the board that I'm getting
http://firingsquad.gamers.com/hardware/abit_nf7-s_2.0_review/default.asp
http://www.lanaddict.com/rev/64/1/
 
I don't understand why people are hitting the 8rda+ as the problem. Even if he has an old rev. 1.1 with no nb volts, he should be able to easily reach 200fsb and beyond on the board.
 
And die hard, theres a reason why your ram gets higher when not in the third slot. This is because you need a stick in the first AND third slots to run dual channel, which stresses the memory more. By putting the sticks in the first two slots you are sacraficing dual channel memory for more FSB speed. Anyway I would think that your ram could do 200 even in DC
 
Im not hitting the 8rda at all, its been a fantastic board other than the fsb overclocking. The reason why i am upgrading is cause it will be pretty much free, im building a system for my sister, ill have her order the board i want and just give her mine. Almost like a payment for doing it. But should running dual channel really have that big of an impact? I dont think it does on most newer boards. Wouldn't a 200fsb without dual channel be better than 170 with?

The AN7 gets good reviews.. i wish users felt the same way, i would get that one in a heartbeat.

Thanks TONS to everyone who provided help, i REALLY appreciate it.
 
ive heard alot of good things about the dfi infinity, its the same board design as the lan party just not all spruced up woth less in the box than the lan party. it seems this board has the best chance of hitting a 250fsb out of the box
 
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