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Core 2 Duo E6600 vs. AMD 5200+ ?

cthulhuiscool said:
Core 2 Duo E6600 vs. AMD 5200+ ? Please include reasoning with your answer.
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E6600, because it is better in every single way.

If you are building a new system (i.e. you don't already have an AM2 motherboard), there is absolutely no reason to go with AMD, except for brand loyalty. Intel is just better, period.
 
chris.c said:
E6600, because it is better in every single way.

If you are building a new system (i.e. you don't already have an AM2 motherboard), there is absolutely no reason to go with AMD, except for brand loyalty. Intel is just better, period.
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don't sugarcoat it, tell us what you think =) ...^ wut he said
 
chris.c said:
E6600, because it is better in every single way.

If you are building a new system (i.e. you don't already have an AM2 motherboard), there is absolutely no reason to go with AMD, except for brand loyalty. Intel is just better, period.
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QFT, Better in every way than the AMD, the E6300 is better than the AMD +5200

Intel's add even says, "Core 2 Duo, the worlds best Processor" And they don't lie.
 
You're comparing the wrong processors, it should be e6600 vs FX62. Google for e6600 benches and you'll find it easily surpasses the FX62 let alone the 5200.
 
cthulhuiscool said:
All I'm asking, is simply should I get this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103759 or this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819115003? Please include reasoning with your answer, I have not been able to find any benchmarks for the 5200 either, so maybe you know a better place to look.
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Let me put it this way.

The E6600 is equal or faster then the FX 62 which would be called the 5600+ if it was a normal edition processor so hence the E6600 is better then the 5200+.

As well the E6600 only costs 316USD officially while the 5200+ costs 403USD officially. So the E6600 is not only cheaper, but it is faster.
 
Plus, if you buy Intel, it is guaranteed that you can just drop a Quad-core CPU into current Core 2 motherboards when the time comes to upgrade. With AM2, we still aren't even sure if that socket is going to carry over to K8L, since there's been a lot of talk of a socket AM2+ or even AM3.
 
Get the AMD chip ...they kinda need the business right now

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Buy whatever you want or whatever your budget provides.

Or wait a bit. Intel and AMD are both working on some really interesting new tech.
 
The only way it would be worth getting an amd dual core is if they dropped the prices of the dual cores to the $50-100 dollar range.
 
Unless you can get a monster overclock out of that AMD, it's the E6600 FTW easily.

You can't beat an easy 25% overclock on stock voltage.
 
Going from machine in my sig, to a 6600 w/ zalman 7700 on an ASUS p5b with 2x g.skill pc2 6400 ddr2 800, 4-4-4-12? I'm hoping to hit a reasonable OC of around 3.2ghz; do you guys think this should be attainable on air using mobo + ram listed? I see very few direct comparisons between intel and amd cpu's in games lately (heh heh heh) Do these things pull alot more power than a 3200+ would @ 1.55v? I'm wondering if my PS will be ok. It's fairly beefy for a 500w...no problems so far with my 8800gtx and 5 HD's and 2 optical
 
headless said:
Going from machine in my sig, to a 6600 w/ zalman 7700 on an ASUS p5b with 2x g.skill pc2 6400 ddr2 800, 4-4-4-12? I'm hoping to hit a reasonable OC of around 3.2ghz; do you guys think this should be attainable on air using mobo + ram listed? I see very few direct comparisons between intel and amd cpu's in games lately (heh heh heh) Do these things pull alot more power than a 3200+ would @ 1.55v? I'm wondering if my PS will be ok. It's fairly beefy for a 500w...no problems so far with my 8800gtx and 5 HD's and 2 optical
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well i think you will be fine with your current power supply. You will see a pretty big difference in performance though. I like AMD a lot, but i am forced to admit these chips are badass. The E6600 is such a good buy. The amount of power you get for such a little amount of money is sick.

I'm even thinking of getting rid of my opty 170 to build a intel rig now.
 
dtess17 said:
well i think you will be fine with your current power supply. You will see a pretty big difference in performance though. I like AMD a lot, but i am forced to admit these chips are badass. The E6600 is such a good buy. The amount of power you get for such a little amount of money is sick.

I'm even thinking of getting rid of my opty 170 to build a intel rig now.
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I agree and I sold off my Opteron 170 setup and did just that .. I really do hope that AMD comes out with something that will kick Intels buttocks here sometime soon ..Competition is good

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I'm hoping that i'll be able to stay above 60fps non stop with the C2D setup, in CS:Source on Office w/ 22 players; even when grenades go off, throwing 50+ physics objects around. I've got the 8800gtx, and am running cs:s @ 1600x1200 with all settings maximized (which is only 4xaa and 16x anisotropic filtering), with v-sync off...trans aa set to supersampling, quality set to high quality. Still get drops to the 40's with this setup which i attribute to cpu bottleneck with many physics objects. I got a linear increase in FPS when i o/ced my a64 from 2ghz to 2.4 to 2.75ghz so i'm hoping for the same kind of improvement from the c2d upgrade; i'm just wondering if the boost will be enough to bring my minimums up from ~40-45 to 60-70
 
headless said:
I'm hoping that i'll be able to stay above 60fps non stop with the C2D setup, in CS:Source on Office w/ 22 players; even when grenades go off, throwing 50+ physics objects around. I've got the 8800gtx, and am running cs:s @ 1600x1200 with all settings maximized (which is only 4xaa and 16x anisotropic filtering), with v-sync off...trans aa set to supersampling, quality set to high quality. Still get drops to the 40's with this setup which i attribute to cpu bottleneck with many physics objects. I got a linear increase in FPS when i o/ced my a64 from 2ghz to 2.4 to 2.75ghz so i'm hoping for the same kind of improvement from the c2d upgrade; i'm just wondering if the boost will be enough to bring my minimums up from ~40-45 to 60-70
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Look at the benchmarks below. 2.93Ghz C2D vs. 2.8Ghz A64

I used the x6800 for comparison, b/c you'll get at least a 2.93Ghz overclock on any C2D chip. And the closest chip to yours was an FX-57 (2.8Ghz A64)

UT2004 ----------- 38% improvement
Serious Sam 2 - 28.4% improvement
Call of Duty 2 --- 57% improvement
Fear -------------- 33% improvement

Thats an average of about 40% improvement over those 4 gaming tests. So when you factor in you'll probably get a 3.0-3.4+Ghz overclock (instead of 2.93 x6800 compared) and you were actually at 2.75, not 2.8,etc... you'll probably get a 50++% improvement which will bring your minimum up from 40fps to 60++fps!
 
If i have a game that only supports single core processors with no future Dual core support. Wouldnt i be able to run the game better with a AMD FX-57 than a dual core?
 
whiskeybullets said:
If i have a game that only supports single core processors with no future Dual core support. Wouldnt i be able to run the game better with a AMD FX-57 than a dual core?
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No, as Core 2 Duo E6600 has single thread performance equal or greater in levle then the Athlon FX 57.

Any processor above that E6700 or X6800 will be better for the games that have single threaded support only as they have higher clockspeed over the E6600.
 
Well, i got everything installed! So far, good, but i'm a bit worried; at anything above 350mhz fsb (3.15ghz) i get instability though ram is still running below spec (right?) @ 350mhz as it is pc6400 pc2-800 memory, and even @ 3.15ghz, dual prime95's fails quickly (less than 2 minutes) while temps in speedfan are hovering around 57c (idle 40-43c).

I've got timings set to SPD which is 5-5-5-12 or so, and voltage set to 2.1v. I was expecting at least 3.2ghz, hoping for 3.4ghz :(. Running a zalman 7700cu.
In the P5B-E's bios there are a few settings i don't recognise; anyone know of somewhere with an explanation of the different conroe mobo options; coming from an a64 system i'm not really grasping everything yet i think...though i have left memory on auto and it's running @ below 400mhz so i don't think there's much complexity to add.

There's a setting for FSB voltage in the bios with 'auto for safe mode' and then voltages from 1.2v to 1.5v; what's that? Need to up it maybe? Also, is it normal for a p5b-e to show a max voltage of 2.1v for memory voltage?

Also, even when i adjust my voltage from stock up to 1.38v, it reads 1.325v max in the bios+speedfan+CoreTemp; is there a known issue with the p5b not taking voltage changes or something? What's the max voltage i should push at this chip? I was running my old a64 @ 1.575v, but that was a 90nm chip vs. this 65nm, so i'm a bit worried about piling on voltage. Right now my temp is dead solid @ 59c under 2 prime95 small FFT runs, which have been running stable now for 2 hours @ 3.05ghz (334*9)

One other thing i noticed; my a64's heatsink really clamped down with some force, but it seems like even fully bolted on, this 7700 is not clamping down much; it can still slide on the cpu just slightly even with both bolts tightened totally. How much pressure is the HS supposed to put on the core?
 
headless said:
Well, i got everything installed! So far, good, but i'm a bit worried; at anything above 350mhz fsb (3.15ghz) i get instability though ram is still running below spec (right?) @ 350mhz as it is pc6400 pc2-800 memory, and even @ 3.15ghz, dual prime95's fails quickly (less than 2 minutes) while temps in speedfan are hovering around 57c (idle 40-43c).

I've got timings set to SPD which is 5-5-5-12 or so, and voltage set to 2.1v. I was expecting at least 3.2ghz, hoping for 3.4ghz :(. Running a zalman 7700cu.
In the P5B-E's bios there are a few settings i don't recognise; anyone know of somewhere with an explanation of the different conroe mobo options; coming from an a64 system i'm not really grasping everything yet i think...though i have left memory on auto and it's running @ below 400mhz so i don't think there's much complexity to add.

There's a setting for FSB voltage in the bios with 'auto for safe mode' and then voltages from 1.2v to 1.5v; what's that? Need to up it maybe? Also, is it normal for a p5b-e to show a max voltage of 2.1v for memory voltage?

Also, even when i adjust my voltage from stock up to 1.38v, it reads 1.325v max in the bios+speedfan+CoreTemp; is there a known issue with the p5b not taking voltage changes or something? What's the max voltage i should push at this chip? I was running my old a64 @ 1.575v, but that was a 90nm chip vs. this 65nm, so i'm a bit worried about piling on voltage. Right now my temp is dead solid @ 59c under 2 prime95 small FFT runs, which have been running stable now for 2 hours @ 3.05ghz (334*9)

One other thing i noticed; my a64's heatsink really clamped down with some force, but it seems like even fully bolted on, this 7700 is not clamping down much; it can still slide on the cpu just slightly even with both bolts tightened totally. How much pressure is the HS supposed to put on the core?
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It sounds like you MIGHT be stuck with a similar clock as me.

My e6600 only wants to do 3Ghz reliably.

I can run it around 3.15Ghz+, but its not Prime stable.
So I've just been keeping it at 334x9.
 
:( ok, now it's at 62c after 5 hours of 2 prime95 small fft's without any errors. I'm worried about that kind of temp, with only 1.325v :( @ 9x335 You guys think my heatsink is making bad contact? It really doesn't seem tightly presssed to the IHS but i can't tighten the bolts any more :( Should the conroe heatsink clamp down as hard as my a64's did? Or is is OK that it's almost loose (loose enough to shift slightly on the ihs)? Or do i simply need a different heatsink? this thing is huge ( 7700 zalman CU ) but it seems to be marketted around being quiet more than being a badass cooler .... I'll feel dumb if i paid 40$ for a crappy HSF.
Any input would be much appreciated, on this post or my previous one above - help! i'm hoping my return to intel will be a triumphant one ;)
 
headless said:
:( ok, now it's at 62c after 5 hours of 2 prime95 small fft's without any errors. I'm worried about that kind of temp, with only 1.325v :( @ 9x335 You guys think my heatsink is making bad contact? It really doesn't seem tightly presssed to the IHS but i can't tighten the bolts any more :( Should the conroe heatsink clamp down as hard as my a64's did? Or is is OK that it's almost loose (loose enough to shift slightly on the ihs)? Or do i simply need a different heatsink? this thing is huge ( 7700 zalman CU ) but it seems to be marketted around being quiet more than being a badass cooler .... I'll feel dumb if i paid 40$ for a crappy HSF.
Any input would be much appreciated, on this post or my previous one above - help! i'm hoping my return to intel will be a triumphant one ;)
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62C with CoreTemp?

If so, I'll say this for the 1000000th time. CoreTemp readings are from INSIDE THE CHIP. Its going to read 10-15C that you're used to seeing from traditional motherboard "cpu sensors".

That 62C is probably equivalent to 50C with the old style mobo sensor.

60-65C is not bad (it won't damage it) for a Core 2. Though many of them run super cool, if you have one that runs in the 60-70C its not going to kill it. Intel specified 85C max temps with Core2 b/c the new sensors read the temp from the hottest part of the chip internally. Where before they had spec'd like 65C as max temps, b/c those temps were read from a different sensor.
 
Roger that - as i read more about the p5b i realise that it's likely my instability was because i tested my board's next O/C from 350mhz to 375mhz which is apparently an FSB 'DEAD ZONE' between 'straps' on my board. When i get home tonight, i'm going to jack voltage up another half a volt, set the fsb voltage to 1.5v and try 3.4ghz; 420*8 or so. Or maybe even 400*9 or 401*9. ;) If the temps go above 67c i'll order a thermalright SI-128.
 
Update: i downloaded TAT from intel, and it's showing 59c, not 62c. yay for 3c more headroom. Yay for clockgen...but what's this? clockgen doesn't support the P5B-E?! NONSENSE
 
Overnight stable @ 400mhz FSB, x8 multi = 3200mhz.
I can get the board to POST and windows loads successfully @ 3.4ghz (425*8) but one of my cores fails immediately in prime95 even when i jack the voltage to 1.45v in BIOS (1.39 or so read by windows proggies and bios hardware monitoring). Temps also move up to ~50-55c at idle with that much voltage. I think perhaps this sucker is just hitting a wall between 3.2 and 3.4.
That said, everything's running great so i'm satisfied with this o/c for now :D It could be my mobo or RAM holding me back; i don't know enough about conroe o/cing to be sure ...is it just me or do a64's let you see/modify more options? Like HTT ratio - this seems to be the same thing as the 'strap' or whathaveyou on p5b's where the northbridge o/c's itself then at a certain point divides it's freq again to make it work.. It'd be nice to be able to just set which strap the mobo uses so i could o/c the fsb to my hearts content :(
 
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