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Computer restarts when using 9700 Pro...

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iczelion74

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Ive had the ati branded 9700pro for a couple of years now and its allways worked great, however I recently bought a Soyo Dragon Ultra 400 and ever since then I get freezes in games, restarts and the desktop and the occasional corupted Icons etc. I have tried turning fast write on and off, Ive tried all the DETS s3.7-4.1 and Ive tried upping the voltage. Ive also tried flahing the bios of the Dragon to the latest version, I had to do that anyways to use a Barton chip. None of these options have done anything, changing the drivers seems to fix things for a few hours but the problems allways tend to come back. Right now I have an old Geforce 4 MX 440 in the machine and it runs without a hitch, but of course my fram rate sucks in all my games. Anyone have any suggestions here????? Also I have ran the 9700 all day long without a hitch in another box, so it has to be something incompatible in my system.
 
I wonder if your mainboard's caps are up to snuff...
same PSU? what speed are you running now, what speed were you running before?
Have you tried underclocking the system to see if it is stable then?

I think you've either overloaded the board or the PSU, in which case the board would be faulty or the PSU just getting old or not quite big enough.
 
i'll be honest, i dont think it's your video card so much as your system memory, or something else. you could always try a different vid card in your system and see if you get the same results. if you don't, then as was said i'd look into replacing your power supply.

try running on 1 stick of your ram instaed of both, and try it with both sticks. if you still get the same problem, try someone elses ram just to be sure. one of my pals bought a new mobo and migrated his existing hardware only to find that he statically charged and f'd up a stick of his ram, must have shifted a register or something. replaced the ram and all was good again.

when you have a problem like this, i'd tell you to strip your computer to bare bones, taking audio and any other bells & whistles out of the picture. focus on system memory, hdd, and video card, try swapping all of them until you find things become stable. somewhere along the line, if the problem is hardware related, it will surface. if for some reason you cant figure it out, it may be something faulty with your mobo. i'd try everything you can before you RMA though. good luck
 
i'll be honest, i dont think it's your video card so much as your system memory, or something else. you could always try a different vid card in your system and see if you get the same results. if you don't, then as was said i'd look into replacing your power supply.
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Ive got a Antec Sonata with a true power PSU, that ran everything fine with my old system board(a7v333) so I really wouldnt lean to the PSU, though I guess if the main board/cpu is drawing more current I guess that could be the case. The problem started occuring when I upgraded from a 1700+/A7v333 to a Barton 2800+/Soyo Dragon ultra 400.

Also I am currently running the system perfectly with a Geforce 4 MX 440, its been in there for about a week without a hitch, so in some fashion its gotta be the Radeon causing the problem.
 
There's where it gets sticky tho.

The Radeon could be going bad or it could just be the last straw finishing off the PSU that has *just* enough power.
Was the 1700+ a Pali or Tbred?

I can do the exact same thing with my Ti4200 and 2100+ @ 2.1GHz. If I clock the CPU higher with another card, its stable. If I clock the Ti4200 too high it crashes the system. Checking the log file for my hardware monitor shows the 5v line drop to 4.79v a few times before it reboots.
My vid card is stable at 290/600, but pulls too much from the PSU. The Tbred seems to cap at about 2.2GHz, but only with a dinky video card.

clock your system to 133MHz fsb and try the Radeon for awhile. Stress test that puppy.
If it works, it will narrow it down to mainboard or PSU.
9500 has a molex connector, right? If so, probably just the PSU.
 
I have this PSU....do you really think this one may be underpowered......


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No, that PSU is fine. When you converted to the new board, did you do a complete format/reinstall of windows? This sounds like a driver issue, most likely with the board. I'd format/reinstall and do it again from scratch. Oh...and use the Omega drivers for your radeon (they are sexier).
 
Have you tested the PSU yet?

There is no reason to try and troubleshoot a problem if you're going to verify any single part without testing it.
I'm sure the PSU's specs are up to par but who's to say it isn't on its way out?

The system is 100% stable with the Geforce 4 MX, right?
The variable is the Radeon 9500. It draws more power than the Geforce 4 MX, uses different drivers and pushes the AGP bus harder.

It could be some AGP setting, could be chipset drivers (didn't think of that before), voltage, vid card drivers...
This is why I said drop the fsb. If it is the vid card alone you should still have a problem. If not, look at the mobo or PSU.

Give a full breakdown of your system.
 
There is no reason to try and troubleshoot a problem if you're going to verify any single part without testing it.
I'm sure the PSU's specs are up to par but who's to say it isn't on its way out?

Yeah Im just hoping I dont have to buy a whole new PSU I havent had this one for even a year yet.


The system is 100% stable with the Geforce 4 MX, right?

Yes it is


The variable is the Radeon 9500.

Its actually a 9700 Pro so it might draw even more power.


It draws more power than the Geforce 4 MX, uses different drivers and pushes the AGP bus harder.

I have done a complete format and reinstall of windows to see if it was drivers and problem reoccured after awhile.


It could be some AGP setting, could be chipset drivers (didn't think of that before), voltage, vid card drivers...
This is why I said drop the fsb. If it is the vid card alone you should still have a problem. If not, look at the mobo or PSU.

Ive upped the AGP voltage and switched fast right on and off....

Reformated to reinstall drivers.....

and the FSb is running at 166 right now.....

I have latest version of 4 in 1s installed for chipset
 
sorry about the 9500/9700 thing, been reading way too many posts lately.

Anyways, like I said before. The next step here is drop the fsb to 133MHz, install the 9700 and see what happens. If it still fails it is very likely that it is the card.

Yeah Im just hoping I dont have to buy a wjole new PSU I havent had this one for even a year yet.
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I know the feeling, but if you want it working, we need to properly troubleshoot and correctly identify the problem. You don't want to halfway do this, buy a new 9800 then find out it was the PSU or mainboard all along. Besides, most PSU's have a one year warranty, right?
 
Do you have VPU recover on or off? I had problems with VPU recover in the last catalyst bad enough that I had to shut the feature off (it'd continually reboot the system).
 
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Yes it is on and it actually kicked in a few times..Ill give turning it off a shot as well. thanks
 
Try locking your AGP freq to 66. Some MB will get out of sink with them selfs. And you don't have both the Cats and Dets on the same system do you...that's BAD.
 
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