Hello everyone,
Setup
My P4C 2.4ghz (running at 2.4ghz, memory _underclocked_ to 133mhz, 3:2 ratio, 2.5-4-4-8 timings) crashes.
It has:
Antec 430 Watt TruePower (20A on 12V)
Asus P4P-800 motherboard
Windows XP Pro SP2 (installed fresh about 6 months ago)
2GB Corsair memory
320GB WD-3200JD hard disk (problem occurs without this plugged in, to power or the controller)
200GB WD-2000JB hard disk
45GB IBM Deathstar hard disk
BFG GeForce 6800GT
SB Live! Value
NEC ND-3540A DVD burner
Lite-On LTR-48246S CD burner
More setup information is included below if you need it.
Another Thread on this Topic
This thread is a continuation of another one I posted in general software originally (here http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1018253). I suspect this is a hardware problem of some kind, but I can't figure out what. After the original thread ran its course, I was convinced the problem was either my WD-3200JD drive, cable, or controller, but the damn computer crashed while I had the drive unplugged, so it's not that. I now have no idea why it's crashing.
Stability Test Results
Computer is prime 95 24 hours stable--run on "blend," two instances with 850MB RAM per instance. Memtest86 also passes three separate overnight tests with no errors. The memory is already massively underclocked anyway--it's rated for PC-3200.
Crash Symptoms
About once a week the system crashes. The symptom is exactly the same: the mouse freezes, and the display is frozen. There is no sound coming from any hard drive--I'm familiar with what it sounds like if it's trying to read a bad sector. I ran chkdsk /r/f on all the drives recently.
System Event Log
I checked the System Event log, but nothing registered during the most recent crash. In the past, I had seen some NTFS errors (discussed in the original thread), but those have been ruled out since they were all tied to the WD3200-JD drive, and the problem persists even if that drive is physically unplugged.
Here is a copy of the System event log:
http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~mjr/log3.txt.
The last time the computer crashed was 9:30 PM last night (3/18/06) but there is nothing suspicious at that time in the log. I had just turned on the computer, started using it, and a few minutes later is crashed.
Events Surrounding Crash
It always does it while I'm at the desktop. I play games occasionally, but I can't remember the last time a game crashed--it always crashes when I'm trying to get some work done. This morning it crashed while I was scrolling through a PDF.
DXDiag Info
http://cs.wisc.edu/~mjr/dxdiag.txt. Report is dated 2/20, but nothing much has changed, and the problem existed when that report was made.
HiJackThis log
Below are the processes running. The problem occured before I installed OpenAFS (listed below as afsd_service) or Directory Opus. "sr" is SlickRun, DkService is DiskKeeper. Let me know if you're concerned about any of the others--I'm quite sure it's not a spyware issue. Yeah, there's a lot of junk listed there. What can I say, I use a lot of software.
Additional Information
=======
- Drivers are up to date, including video, sound, network, and chipset.
- The problem has been going on since last May or so, but seems to have gotten worse since then. Since I've reformatted in the mean time, it makes me think it's a hardware problem but no tests suggest that.
- I have two network cards, both wired and wireless, and the problem occurs regardless of which I'm using so I suppose we can rule that out
- I doubt it's sound since I never play music on the computer--indeed, it always crashes when there is no sound being played.
- Video is also unlikely since it's always on the desktop. No 3D is ever involved. Games run fine (e.g. Quake IV, Serious Sam II, Civ IV).
- Typically I have a number of applications open, e.g. outlook, firefox, plus some tools I use for school (maple/visual studio/eclipse/photoshop/illustrator/etc.) when it crashes. None of these programs should be able to crash the computer like this. A driver is the most likely culprit based on my past experience, so I've been trying to uninstall all unnecessary drivers, including Daemon Tools and BlindWrite.
- Here's device manager: http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~mjr/devicemanager.png
- Disk SMART status: http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~mjr/smart.png
- Could it be power-related? I think this is unlikely since the problems occur whenever both the CPU and Video card are not stressed (sitting at desktop).
Please Help!
Thanks for any suggestions everyone! This problem has me stumped. I've posted all the material I've gathered over the last few months, so hopefully something here will be of some value.
Setup
My P4C 2.4ghz (running at 2.4ghz, memory _underclocked_ to 133mhz, 3:2 ratio, 2.5-4-4-8 timings) crashes.
It has:
Antec 430 Watt TruePower (20A on 12V)
Asus P4P-800 motherboard
Windows XP Pro SP2 (installed fresh about 6 months ago)
2GB Corsair memory
320GB WD-3200JD hard disk (problem occurs without this plugged in, to power or the controller)
200GB WD-2000JB hard disk
45GB IBM Deathstar hard disk
BFG GeForce 6800GT
SB Live! Value
NEC ND-3540A DVD burner
Lite-On LTR-48246S CD burner
More setup information is included below if you need it.
Another Thread on this Topic
This thread is a continuation of another one I posted in general software originally (here http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1018253). I suspect this is a hardware problem of some kind, but I can't figure out what. After the original thread ran its course, I was convinced the problem was either my WD-3200JD drive, cable, or controller, but the damn computer crashed while I had the drive unplugged, so it's not that. I now have no idea why it's crashing.
Stability Test Results
Computer is prime 95 24 hours stable--run on "blend," two instances with 850MB RAM per instance. Memtest86 also passes three separate overnight tests with no errors. The memory is already massively underclocked anyway--it's rated for PC-3200.
Crash Symptoms
About once a week the system crashes. The symptom is exactly the same: the mouse freezes, and the display is frozen. There is no sound coming from any hard drive--I'm familiar with what it sounds like if it's trying to read a bad sector. I ran chkdsk /r/f on all the drives recently.
System Event Log
I checked the System Event log, but nothing registered during the most recent crash. In the past, I had seen some NTFS errors (discussed in the original thread), but those have been ruled out since they were all tied to the WD3200-JD drive, and the problem persists even if that drive is physically unplugged.
Here is a copy of the System event log:
http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~mjr/log3.txt.
The last time the computer crashed was 9:30 PM last night (3/18/06) but there is nothing suspicious at that time in the log. I had just turned on the computer, started using it, and a few minutes later is crashed.
Events Surrounding Crash
It always does it while I'm at the desktop. I play games occasionally, but I can't remember the last time a game crashed--it always crashes when I'm trying to get some work done. This morning it crashed while I was scrolling through a PDF.
DXDiag Info
http://cs.wisc.edu/~mjr/dxdiag.txt. Report is dated 2/20, but nothing much has changed, and the problem existed when that report was made.
HiJackThis log
Below are the processes running. The problem occured before I installed OpenAFS (listed below as afsd_service) or Directory Opus. "sr" is SlickRun, DkService is DiskKeeper. Let me know if you're concerned about any of the others--I'm quite sure it's not a spyware issue. Yeah, there's a lot of junk listed there. What can I say, I use a lot of software.
Code:
Logfile of HijackThis v1.99.1
Scan saved at 9:00:01 AM, on 3/19/2006
Platform: Windows XP SP2 (WinNT 5.01.2600)
MSIE: Internet Explorer v6.00 SP2 (6.00.2900.2180)
Running processes:
C:\WINDOWS\System32\smss.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\winlogon.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\services.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\lsass.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\svchost.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\spoolsv.exe
C:\Util\Kerberos\bin\krbcc32s.exe
C:\Program Files\Executive Software\Diskeeper\DkService.exe
C:\cygwin\bin\cygrunsrv.exe
C:\Util\OpenAFS\Client\Program\afsd_service.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\dns\bin\named.exe
C:\cygwin\usr\sbin\sshd.exe
C:\WINDOWS\Explorer.EXE
C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Acrobat 7.0\Distillr\Acrotray.exe
C:\Util\SlickRun\sr.exe
C:\Util\Directory Opus\DOpus.exe
C:\Program Files\Logitech\MouseWare\system\em_exec.exe
C:\Util\OpenAFS\Client\Program\afscreds.exe
C:\Util\Proxomitron\Proxomitron.exe
C:\Util\Firefox\firefox.exe
C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\OFFICE11\OUTLOOK.EXE
\?\C:\WINDOWS\system32\WBEM\WMIADAP.EXE
C:\Download\hijackthis\HijackThis.exe
R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet Settings,ProxyServer = http=127.0.0.1:8081
O2 - BHO: Adobe PDF Reader Link Helper - {06849E9F-C8D7-4D59-B87D-784B7D6BE0B3} - C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Acrobat 7.0\ActiveX\AcroIEHelper.dll
O2 - BHO: SSVHelper Class - {761497BB-D6F0-462C-B6EB-D4DAF1D92D43} - C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.5.0_06\bin\ssv.dll
O2 - BHO: Adobe PDF Conversion Toolbar Helper - {AE7CD045-E861-484f-8273-0445EE161910} - C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Acrobat 7.0\Acrobat\AcroIEFavClient.dll
O2 - BHO: Devpartner Analysis Common BHO - {CE92F0E4-87AD-11D3-B713-00C04F8F6C86} - C:\Program Files\Compuware\DevPartner Studio\Analysis\NMIEHELP.dll
O3 - Toolbar: Adobe PDF - {47833539-D0C5-4125-9FA8-0819E2EAAC93} - C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Acrobat 7.0\Acrobat\AcroIEFavClient.dll
O3 - Toolbar: NewsStand Toolbar - {6E94ACD5-2C6A-48AC-84EF-A4DE746D385F} - C:\Util\NewsStand Reader\NSIETool.dll
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Logitech Utility] Logi_MwX.Exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Acrobat Assistant 7.0] "C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Acrobat 7.0\Distillr\Acrotray.exe"
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [SlickRun] "C:\Util\SlickRun\sr.exe"
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [DOpus] C:\Util\Directory Opus\DOpus.exe
O4 - Startup: Firefox.lnk = C:\Util\Firefox\firefox.exe
O4 - Startup: Proxomitron.lnk = C:\Util\Proxomitron\Proxomitron.exe
O4 - Startup: Start outlook.bat.lnk = E:\Documents\Programming\Sleep\Release\Start outlook.bat
O4 - Startup: Start TimeSync.bat.lnk = E:\Documents\Programming\Sleep\Release\Start TimeSync.bat
O4 - Global Startup: Adobe Acrobat Speed Launcher.lnk = ?
O4 - Global Startup: AFS Credentials.lnk = C:\Util\OpenAFS\Client\Program\afscreds.exe
O8 - Extra context menu item: Convert link target to Adobe PDF - res://C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Acrobat 7.0\Acrobat\AcroIEFavClient.dll/AcroIECapture.html
O8 - Extra context menu item: Convert link target to existing PDF - res://C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Acrobat 7.0\Acrobat\AcroIEFavClient.dll/AcroIEAppend.html
O8 - Extra context menu item: Convert selected links to Adobe PDF - res://C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Acrobat 7.0\Acrobat\AcroIEFavClient.dll/AcroIECaptureSelLinks.html
O8 - Extra context menu item: Convert selected links to existing PDF - res://C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Acrobat 7.0\Acrobat\AcroIEFavClient.dll/AcroIEAppendSelLinks.html
O8 - Extra context menu item: Convert selection to Adobe PDF - res://C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Acrobat 7.0\Acrobat\AcroIEFavClient.dll/AcroIECapture.html
O8 - Extra context menu item: Convert selection to existing PDF - res://C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Acrobat 7.0\Acrobat\AcroIEFavClient.dll/AcroIEAppend.html
O8 - Extra context menu item: Convert to Adobe PDF - res://C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Acrobat 7.0\Acrobat\AcroIEFavClient.dll/AcroIECapture.html
O8 - Extra context menu item: Convert to existing PDF - res://C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Acrobat 7.0\Acrobat\AcroIEFavClient.dll/AcroIEAppend.html
O8 - Extra context menu item: E&xport to Microsoft Excel - res://C:\PROGRA~1\MICROS~2\OFFICE11\EXCEL.EXE/3000
O8 - Extra context menu item: Open PDF in Word - res://C:\Program Files\ScanSoft\OmniPagePro14.0\PdfCnv\IEShellExt.dll /100
O9 - Extra button: (no name) - {08B0E5C0-4FCB-11CF-AAA5-00401C608501} - C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.5.0_06\bin\ssv.dll
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Sun Java Console - {08B0E5C0-4FCB-11CF-AAA5-00401C608501} - C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.5.0_06\bin\ssv.dll
O9 - Extra button: Research - {92780B25-18CC-41C8-B9BE-3C9C571A8263} - C:\PROGRA~1\MICROS~2\OFFICE11\REFIEBAR.DLL
O9 - Extra button: (no name) - {B205A35E-1FC4-4CE3-818B-899DBBB3388C} - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Encarta Search Bar\ENCSBAR.DLL
O9 - Extra button: Messenger - {FB5F1910-F110-11d2-BB9E-00C04F795683} - C:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs.exe
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Windows Messenger - {FB5F1910-F110-11d2-BB9E-00C04F795683} - C:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs.exe
O16 - DPF: {6E32070A-766D-4EE6-879C-DC1FA91D2FC3} (MUWebControl Class) - [url]http://update.microsoft.com/microsoftupdate/v6/V5Controls/en/x86/client/muweb_site.cab?1121293025984[/url]
O17 - HKLM\System\CCS\Services\Tcpip\..\{34FE323B-1CAE-48EE-BA37-B3554235F192}: NameServer = 127.0.0.1,24.196.64.53,68.115.71.53
O17 - HKLM\System\CCS\Services\Tcpip\..\{6341226A-24D5-4579-8D8A-49B7FDD1ADED}: NameServer = 127.0.0.1
O17 - HKLM\System\CCS\Services\Tcpip\..\{953AFD6E-05FC-4B7C-8F10-A702FD4CE36D}: NameServer = 127.0.0.1
O17 - HKLM\System\CCS\Services\Tcpip\..\{B9530664-9683-4DD6-B273-EE7F91A7CC38}: NameServer = 127.0.0.1
O17 - HKLM\System\CCS\Services\Tcpip\..\{CE703088-B3F6-4A8B-88F1-C816A180D90A}: NameServer = 127.0.0.1
O17 - HKLM\System\CCS\Services\Tcpip\..\{D6CD1E6C-F90A-42D7-B6B5-76EF5A06882D}: NameServer = 127.0.0.1
O17 - HKLM\System\CS1\Services\Tcpip\Parameters: SearchList = cs.wisc.edu
O17 - HKLM\System\CS1\Services\Tcpip\..\{34FE323B-1CAE-48EE-BA37-B3554235F192}: NameServer = 127.0.0.1,24.196.64.53,68.115.71.53
O17 - HKLM\System\CS2\Services\Tcpip\Parameters: SearchList = cs.wisc.edu
O17 - HKLM\System\CS2\Services\Tcpip\..\{34FE323B-1CAE-48EE-BA37-B3554235F192}: NameServer = 127.0.0.1,24.196.64.53,68.115.71.53
O17 - HKLM\System\CCS\Services\Tcpip\Parameters: SearchList = cs.wisc.edu
O18 - Protocol: ms-help - {314111C7-A502-11D2-BBCA-00C04F8EC294} - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Help\hxds.dll
O20 - AppInit_DLLs: C:\PROGRA~1\Google\GOOGLE~1\GOEC62~1.DLL
O20 - Winlogon Notify: AfsLogon - C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\afslogon.dll
O20 - Winlogon Notify: KFWLogon - C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\afslogon.dll
O20 - Winlogon Notify: NavLogon - C:\WINDOWS\
O23 - Service: Adobe LM Service - Adobe Systems - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Adobe Systems Shared\Service\Adobelmsvc.exe
O23 - Service: Adobe Version Cue CS2 - Unknown owner - C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Version Cue CS2\bin\VersionCueCS2.exe" -win32service (file missing)
O23 - Service: Diskeeper - Executive Software International, Inc. - C:\Program Files\Executive Software\Diskeeper\DkService.exe
O23 - Service: InstallDriver Table Manager (IDriverT) - Macrovision Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\InstallShield\Driver\11\Intel 32\IDriverT.exe
O23 - Service: MATLAB Server (matlabserver) - Unknown owner - C:\Util\Matlab701\webserver\bin\win32\matlabserver.exe
O23 - Service: CYGWIN sshd (sshd) - Unknown owner - C:\cygwin\bin\cygrunsrv.exe
O23 - Service: OpenAFS Client Service (TransarcAFSDaemon) - OpenAFS Project - C:\Util\OpenAFS\Client\Program\afsd_service.exe
O23 - Service: twdns - Unknown owner - C:\WINDOWS\system32\dns\bin\named.exe
O23 - Service: VMware Authorization Service (VMAuthdService) - VMware, Inc. - C:\Program Files\VMware Workstation\vmware-authd.exe
O23 - Service: VMware NAT Service - VMware, Inc. - C:\WINDOWS\system32\vmnat.exe
Additional Information
=======
- Drivers are up to date, including video, sound, network, and chipset.
- The problem has been going on since last May or so, but seems to have gotten worse since then. Since I've reformatted in the mean time, it makes me think it's a hardware problem but no tests suggest that.
- I have two network cards, both wired and wireless, and the problem occurs regardless of which I'm using so I suppose we can rule that out
- I doubt it's sound since I never play music on the computer--indeed, it always crashes when there is no sound being played.
- Video is also unlikely since it's always on the desktop. No 3D is ever involved. Games run fine (e.g. Quake IV, Serious Sam II, Civ IV).
- Typically I have a number of applications open, e.g. outlook, firefox, plus some tools I use for school (maple/visual studio/eclipse/photoshop/illustrator/etc.) when it crashes. None of these programs should be able to crash the computer like this. A driver is the most likely culprit based on my past experience, so I've been trying to uninstall all unnecessary drivers, including Daemon Tools and BlindWrite.
- Here's device manager: http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~mjr/devicemanager.png
- Disk SMART status: http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~mjr/smart.png
- Could it be power-related? I think this is unlikely since the problems occur whenever both the CPU and Video card are not stressed (sitting at desktop).
Please Help!
Thanks for any suggestions everyone! This problem has me stumped. I've posted all the material I've gathered over the last few months, so hopefully something here will be of some value.