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Chimp Challenge 2012

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As a team the choice is made, however we are free to join other teams should we wish to do so and i believe that a few of us have done this in the past and will do so again.

Its always for the cure!!:cool:

More teams might make it more interesting, but will make it a lot harder to make it fair.
 
There wont be a way to make it "fair" in the eyes of all participants, its as simple as that, with the current unit layout that we have, there simply is not going to be a way
 
I suggested basing out of the previous PPD of your last CC
in that way you are force to improve your PPD over last year's CC

(this year CC PPD/ AVG CC PPD) will give you a appoximat Chimp point about 1+/- % improvement per day over your avg PPD from last year

so if you have 5% growth you get 1.05%
everyone should be able to improve their PPD by the same % barring some cheating (like teaming up)
and it would be fair

it will be about team growth - improving your own PPD
 
Xavier Zepherious said:
I suggested basing out of the previous PPD of your last CC
in that way you are force to improve your PPD over last year's CC

(this year CC PPD/ AVG CC PPD) will give you a appoximat Chimp point about 1+/- % improvement per day over your avg PPD from last year

so if you have 5% growth you get 1.05%
everyone should be able to improve their PPD by the same % barring some cheating (like teaming up)
and it would be fair

it will be about team growth - improving your own PPD
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Define "fair".

Which teams suddenly rocketed up in PPD in the last month due to HPCS? Any contest based in PPD will fail to be fair simply because the contest will be decided based on who was lucky enough to get and/or abuse HPCS. I know a few folders by name who, thanks to HPCS, surpass entire folding teams thanks to hardware they are able to fold on by chance. I don't grudge them getting more WUs done, which helps the science...but given the undervalued smp points as well as the usage of HPCS fair ain't possible when doing a competition based on PPD or points.
 
HPCS (there are others as well)
And that will only be this year...
Every one had a fair chance to get in on the public beta trial.
Im not taking advantage of it myself..
Im a small folder ...but I do about 60k.... I don't have a 2p or 4p system yet

I can tell you it does not help EVGA as much as others - so this is a disadvantage to us...but it is a one shot deal (this is a temporary thing - and may not make it to the CC)

I have the feeling EVGA won't win this one this year... the idea is to try to make it better
make it fairer - even if it takes us a few years to get it right

as long as it doesn't stink to high heaven as last year

At EVGA we even discussed different categories - one for PPD and one for Improvement (more than 1 award)

Fair is the formula I gave -
everyone should be able grow PPD and membership growth similarly

teams that join up won't get the effect in the next year because it's based off the joined PPD from the Chimp - hence any advantage gained is lost

plus we are looking at a adjustment formula for new teams to adjust for no Previous CC PPD values
so rookie teams maybe have an advantage or disadvantage - depending on the formula

gives incentive for last years teams to be more prepared
 
what about teams like ours then that last participated in '09, our current production annihilation our last production and would more than likely lead to a [H] victory ....
 
since you were out last year we would use the formula for new teams - and approximate a fair AVG CC PPD -that would be the solution

once you have a new CC avg for next year there won't be an issue with the formula
(it may actually make it harder or easier for [H] depending on the calculation we use this year)...and it be only for the first year

it definitely better than basing all the teams on Team PPD (and then having teams join up - twarting that)


which is why we I said in order for it to be fair to you you need to be on the panel - even if you are out as a team you can have direct input on future involvement for new teams as well as your own (if you enter in later years)

At least we are discussing this - and that in itself is amazing

I suggested getting rid of the chimp names and going by team productions - ppd and % improvement
but - they want to keep the chimp names and the historical use of it.

Like I said WE WANT YOUR INPUT... I don't care that Zodac said "No" to your input - she- doesn't run it

if the other teams want your say - you can help work out the rules
 
The only folding race that we are going to participate in is the race to take back the #1 spot.

For us to make rules in a game that we are not and will not participate in is foolish.

Go [H]orde!

 
Problem is fair varies from person to person.

I think a lot of the [H]ord members and maybe even other forums think fair is not letting the Folding team subsidized buy a corporation compete.

This is probably more important than whatever formulas you come up with to give every one a shot a winning.

There are still folders who believe EVGA belongs with google and Default.
 
your welcome to come and try Kendrak...
but I think EVGA gonna mantain that position for a longggg time.... You definitely keep us on our toes tho

if games and races are foolish then stop chasing us.

This is about advancing the awareness of F@H and finding cures...
You are always welcome coming to our contests at EVGA

or is the sense of fair play and friendship gone in the [H]
 
Xavier Zepherious said:
your welcome to come and try Kendrak...
but I think EVGA gonna mantain that position for a longggg time.... You definitely keep us on our toes tho

if games and races are foolish then stop chasing us.

This is about advancing the awareness of F@H and finding cures...
You are always welcome coming to our contests at EVGA

or is the sense of fair play and friendship gone in the [H]
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Oh no fair play and friendship is alive and well in the [H]orde, we welcome everybody, hell they even let us Brit's join the team:D

P.S Have you seen the EVGA threat list recently?? At current rates you have about 11months left at number 1
 
Kardonxt said:
Problem is fair varies from person to person.

I think a lot of the [H]ord members and maybe even other forums think fair is not letting the Folding team subsidized buy a corporation compete.

This is probably more important than whatever formulas you come up with to give every one a shot a winning.

There are still folders who believe EVGA belongs with google and Default.
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If you mean EVGA bucks... It doesn't even pay for my power

you call that unfair

how about prizes ?
how about teaming up? without telling people? or including that output in consideration

again fair is subjective


EVGA only has 1000 active folders out of 11,000 - that's about 10,000 that have left/quit.. or gone to other teams or fold on 2 teams -
get their bucks and leave - so not much help in contests


if you really look at top 100 folders on the team are responsible for most of output
 
explain teaming up please?

As for active folders, we have ~700 ....


EVGA bucks may not cover your bills, but if your folding, why not get some $$ at the same time, it helps to draw some to EVGA tha twould typically not. I wont go farther into the EVGA bucks argument as its been done over and over here
 
Nathan_P said:
Oh no fair play and friendship is alive and well in the [H]orde, we welcome everybody, hell they even let us Brit's join the team:D

P.S Have you seen the EVGA threat list recently?? At current rates you have about 11months left at number 1
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Like I said you keep us on our toes

Currently members have moved to DC to help that out (I do both-)
since we started Crunching@EVGA
tripled my output and do both now - soon to be doubled again

we are switching back for contests now

we are also still sore over F@H[Stanford] changes...members are currently getting over grudges with bigadv

since they are moving to Benchmarking client - letting machine do what jobs it can do

Also we did not jump onto HPCS as much as other teams - so as that ramps down -it will affect you more
 
Xavier Zepherious said:
if games and races are foolish then stop chasing us.
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If you are going to take everything we say out of context a conversation is pointless.

I said making rules for a contests that WE are not participating in is Foolish.
 
Xavier Zepherious said:
we are switching back for contests now

we are also still sore over F@H[Stanford] changes...members are currently getting over grudges with bigadv

since they are moving to Benchmarking client - letting machine do what jobs it can do

Also we did not jump onto HPCS as much as other teams - so as that ramps down -it will affect you more
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Yes I have noticed that you are about to start your folding madness contest

Bigadv has caught everybody, to some extent we have not suffered the same due to the heavier influence of 2p/4p/8p folding . However we have still had producers no longer able to fold them on i7's and low/mid range 2p rigs

Benchmarking is the way to go - hopefully they can come up with something soon.

Anyway back to CC, its not happening here and whilst its good that we have knocked around a couple of idea's i'm with Kendrak - it wouldnt be fair for us to have any "offical" input with regards to the rules - idea's are different as they are just that.
 
W.Feather said:
explain teaming up please?

As for active folders, we have ~700 ....


EVGA bucks may not cover your bills, but if your folding, why not get some $$ at the same time, it helps to draw some to EVGA tha twould typically not. I wont go farther into the EVGA bucks argument as its been done over and over here
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teaming up - last year HWC and NCIX team joined up - but only used HWC PPD
hence the data was skewed - unfair
HWC won...

if two teams join forces without notification it sort of makes any calculations to make things fair useless - one thing to have the odd person - but when a whole team goes over to help that makes it unfair


however once an establish PPD for the joined team is made(at end of CC) - the next year - that Previous CC PPD will rebalance things again (since it will contain both teams)
if one teams leaves - well that team left will suffer - and it should for joining up in the first place.


No matter what we do there are variables we cannot control

EVGA will still work with the other teams to have some friendly competition...even if we lose every year

as long as it doesn't stink to high heaven...most PPD and near last?
and not even a close race
 
Kendrak said:
If you are going to take everything we say out of context a conversation is pointless.

I said making rules for a contests that WE are not participating in is Foolish.
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that was meant more as a poke at you...not the team...

I Know exactly what you meant....
maybe rile your gamesmanship up
 
Xavier Zepherious said:
that was meant more as a poke at you...not the team...

I Know exactly what you meant....
maybe rile your gamesmanship up
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Please just leave. Are you so dense that you can't understand plain english? We are not interested in the CC at all. Go play with yourselves.
 
Since it seems..I am bothering you and your team I will leave and not bring it up unless you guys contact me

Kendrak and Nathan both know how to contact me... at EVGA

I didn't want to offend anyone here..It is not my place to do so. (not my nature)
I just thought I could persuade some thought and maybe for you guys to get involved again in some fashion
..
 
Eeeep....

Closing time.

Just so yah know DooKey , This thread was NOT spam.I actually give a shit that you guys are'nt in, and I did my bit to let everyone know.

I'm trying to get a public forum for this arranged.If I do I'll let someone know.

Thanks while it lasted guys.

:D

Mods please close this.
 
Xavier Zepherious said:
we are also still sore over F@H[Stanford] changes...members are currently getting over grudges with bigadv
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hah, I actually found that amusing... pretty much why I ragequit the first time years ago, when the GPU client came out and my 800 Pentium D's each running 2x single proc cpu clients were putting out as much PPD as 10x 8800GTX's or so

anyway, this thread has run its course, take care guys, fold on
 
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