Anyone going 10 Core Broadwell?

lutjens said:
At it's utterly pathetic clock speed and TDP? The 10-core when overclocked should come very close to matching the multithreaded performance of the D1587 and totally destroy it in single threaded performance.



The clocks are too low on those chips...:(
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What are you doing that requires such high clocks?

I've found in general that only badly written (or older) software really needs single threaded high clocks. That will actually burst to 3.3 on 1-2 cores according to cpu-world.com. Also: The bang for buck is VERY high on those procs.
 
If the rumors are true about the 5.1Ghz Xeon Quad core I may get one of those and sell my current CPU.
 
iowa_doug said:
If Intel's launch price of the 10-core 6950X is truly $999, I'll be curious to see what they charge for the 8-core 5960X after launch.
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The 5960X will be phased out. Remember, when it comes to "X" series CPUs, there can be only one. They won't be sold concurrently for very long, and basically all the stock you'll see in stores like Microcenter or online will be discounted in order to move them out quickly. It won't be Intel doing that, it will be the retailers. If anything, Intel will cut prices to distributors and retailers, but we won't see the same savings. I bought a Core i7 980X back int eh day right when the Core i7 990 came out and got my chip for $799.99. This was just below the stores original cost, but probably just above the new cost price, post Core i7 990's release. I didn't care because I got the same processor mines 100MHz of stock clocks for $200 less than people were paying for the Core i7 990.
 
/dev/null said:
What are you doing that requires such high clocks?

I've found in general that only badly written (or older) software really needs single threaded high clocks. That will actually burst to 3.3 on 1-2 cores according to cpu-world.com. Also: The bang for buck is VERY high on those procs.
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Wow, really? We don't need high clocks? Phew, I guess I can downclock my chip down to 1200MHz and disable Turbo, due to this revelation that I don't need high clock speeds.:rolleyes:

On a serious note, higher clock speeds accelerate ALL applications, poorly written and well written alike. It's the reason we strive for the highest clock speeds we can. Some better written applications can take better advantage of multiple cores, but a higher clock will almost always beneficial to performance. As for the E5-2670, it'll accelerate to the full 3.3GHz only very rarely and will most often be stuck at it's maximum all core turbo speed of 3.0GHz (unless you disable all but two cores on each chip), which defeats the purpose.
 
Dan_D said:
The 5960X will be phased out. Remember, when it comes to "X" series CPUs, there can be only one. They won't be sold concurrently for very long, and basically all the stock you'll see in stores like Microcenter or online will be discounted in order to move them out quickly. It won't be Intel doing that, it will be the retailers. If anything, Intel will cut prices to distributors and retailers, but we won't see the same savings. I bought a Core i7 980X back int eh day right when the Core i7 990 came out and got my chip for $799.99. This was just below the stores original cost, but probably just above the new cost price, post Core i7 990's release. I didn't care because I got the same processor mines 100MHz of stock clocks for $200 less than people were paying for the Core i7 990.
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Thanks, that makes sense.

In fact, I should have known better, as I bought my 3770k a month after Haswell was released in 2013, and there wasn't much of a price difference compared to a 4770k. I'll be enjoying my shoes with Tabasco sauce.
 
lutjens said:
Wow, really? We don't need high clocks? Phew, I guess I can downclock my chip down to 1200MHz and disable Turbo, due to this revelation that I don't need high clock speeds.:rolleyes:

On a serious note, higher clock speeds accelerate ALL applications, poorly written and well written alike. It's the reason we strive for the highest clock speeds we can. Some better written applications can take better advantage of multiple cores, but a higher clock will almost always beneficial to performance. As for the E5-2670, it'll accelerate to the full 3.3GHz only very rarely and will most often be stuck at it's maximum all core turbo speed of 3.0GHz (unless you disable all but two cores on each chip), which defeats the purpose.
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I'm not saying people don't need high clocks, but many applications (modern ones) scale better with more cores, even at lower clocks. Also: Paying a super premium (eg: 20x as much) for a cpu with 2 more cores that are 30%-40% faster is pretty silly unless you are made of money...

You can also make up some of that difference by buying an entire box with 2 x e5-2670 which is going to be less than a single 10-core broadwell by itself....
 
/dev/null said:
I'm seriously thinking of going dual 8 core/16 thread E5-2670's since they are on blowout on Ebay...should make a great virtualization machine.
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Any blowout 2p/dually mobos available to match the $75 CPUs?
 
The 10 core is a bit out of my price range, but I will definitely be looking at the 6800k. What are the expected gains for Broadwell-E? I have a feeling that it might be wise just to get a 5820k at a slight discount instead.
 
I'm personally looking at pre-builts with weaker cpus and just swapping the cpus in.

You can buy an HP Z620 with 2 cpus starting at $500-$600 and turn that into a 16 core 32 thread box for +$150 or so.

For single socket Z420's are like $300-$500, but only take 1 cpu.
 
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aldamon said:
Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding Xeons, but that looks like a V2 board. The $75 E5-2670 on Ebay are SB V1.
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v1 and v2 are generally compatible. However, the Technical Product Specification (PDF) for the board clearly says, "The Intel Server Board S2600CP is a monolithic printed circuit board (PCBs) with features designed to support the pedestal server markets. This server board is designed to support the Intel Xeon processor E5-2600 and E5-2600 v2 product family."
 
I'll be waiting for Skylake-E as I imagine the next build will last many many years at the current rate of advancement. My 2600k does everything I need it to and the damn thing is 5 years old... What's going to sell me is USB 3.1 type C native, M.2 onboard, 8+ cores, and the ability to upgrade to high core count Ebay Xeons and ECC memory several years later.
 
Already have a 5960x @ 4.4Ghz so I'll wait to see the reviews of the 10 core. Probably wait until Skylake E is released.
 
/dev/null said:
I've found in general that only badly written (or older) software really needs single threaded high clocks.
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Do you know anything about software design or computer science? There are many problems that don't work well with parallel optimizations. This is probably one of the worse comments I've read on this board -- which usually consists of people very knowledgeable about computers.
 
aphexcoil said:
Do you know anything about software design or computer science? There are many problems that don't work well with parallel optimizations. This is probably one of the worse comments I've read on this board -- which usually consists of people very knowledgeable about computers.
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I have a degree in CS, so yeah I know a lot about it. Multi core processors & setups are nothing new. Some problems can't be parallelized but MANY can and SHOULD have been for several years. Thanks for the insult though I'll just pop you on the ignore list, cya!
 
iowa_doug said:
If Intel's launch price of the 10-core 6950X is truly $999, I'll be curious to see what they charge for the 8-core 5960X after launch.
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It's not. There is a mistake on that page. On the first table it says the 6950X is ~$999, but on the second one it lists it as ~$1500 with the 6900K being ~$999. The $1500 number is in line with what every other website has been reporting.
 
/dev/null said:
I have a degree in CS, so yeah I know a lot about it. Multi core processors & setups are nothing new. Some problems can't be parallelized but MANY can and SHOULD have been for several years. Thanks for the insult though I'll just pop you on the ignore list, cya!
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ah i guess he needs a safe space :,( there i shed a tear for you.


The problem is no one bothers to multithread shit. I have OCR programs that are single thread...wtf!!! Thats why high core count shit is useless. No one bothers to code stuff multithread even stuff that should take no time at all. I can't OCR 8 pages at once Fujistu/adobe.....wtf?
 
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