AMD's New Threadripper Chips Have a Hidden Fuse That Blows When Overclocking Is Enabled

Back in the olden times I used to put seal stickers on just about everything we deployed, we weren't out to screw anyone but I could figure out where to start hunting for problem by which ones were broken.
 
MrGuvernment said:
I mean on one side, how many people fry a CPU and then return it claiming they did nothing with it....
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Anecdotally given the number of “I was doing my work and it just stopped working” stories I’ve been given to find, coffee, water, obvious drop damage, and infections that originated from numerous porn sites the most disturbing of which involved underage beastiality.

I have to assume like half??
 
No big deal, as far as most Threadripper owners would see.

The way I see it, if you can afford a Threadripper CPU, then you're either going to take care of it and run it as it should be run, or you have enough money to blow that you don't care about the cost of replacing it.
 
Lakados said:
Anecdotally given the number of “I was doing my work and it just stopped working” stories I’ve been given to find, coffee, water, obvious drop damage, and infections that originated from numerous porn sites the most disturbing of which involved underage beastiality.

I have to assume like half??
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There's no such thing.
 
The way I look at that is:

It is ok to overclock using PBO. You wont hurt the CPU as long as you do not enable a static clock. Let it boost on its own with its socket limited power limits. Which would still be in the 300-400w+ range anyways just because of the core counts. Boost override will take care of the rest..
 
This is a major lawsuit pending. According to the Magnusen Moss Warranty Act they basically can't do this.

Unless it is CLEARLY indicated on the package "we utilize a fuse to detect a prohibited activity" allowing you to make an informed decision before purchase, they must inform you of the conditions of the warranty in full in order to enforce it before you make said purchase. The Federal Mag-Moss Act law makes that crystal.

If I were an Ambulance Chaser or a Karen, I'd be tempted to buy a Threadripper, blow the fuse, and the take it to a major lawsuit when denied, and win huge.
 
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tangoseal said:
This is a major lawsuit pending. According to the Magnusen Moss Warranty Act they basically can't do this.

Unless it is CLEARLY indicated on the package "we utilize a fuse to detect a prohibited activity" allowing you to make an informed decision before purchase, they must inform you of the conditions of the warranty in full in order to enforce it before you make said purchase. The Federal Mag-Moss Act law makes that crystal.

If I were an Ambulance Chaser or a Karen, I'd be tempted to buy a Threadripper, blow the fuse, and the take it to a major lawsuit when denied, and win huge.
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Jim The Hammer
 
tangoseal said:
This is a major lawsuit pending. According to the Magnusen Moss Warranty Act they basically can't do this.

Unless it is CLEARLY indicated on the package "we utilize a fuse to detect a prohibited activity" allowing you to make an informed decision before purchase, they must inform you of the conditions of the warranty in full in order to enforce it before you make said purchase. The Federal Mag-Moss Act law makes that crystal.
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Apparently part of this is just people not correctly understanding what is covered and what isn't.

If the fuse is blown, only warranty claims from overvolting/overclocking would be denied. Unrelated issues could still quality for warranty repair/replacement.

In the bios before overclocking is enabled, it also gives a statement about the fuse and also about warranty coverage. The issue there being again that the prompt isn't perfectly clear that this voids warranties specifically in regards to overclocking. You cannot enable overclocking without getting a message in the BIOS first and agreeing to proceed.

tangoseal said:
If I were an Ambulance Chaser or a Karen, I'd be tempted to buy a Threadripper, blow the fuse, and the take it to a major lawsuit when denied, and win huge.
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I think you'd have a hard time winning in court.
 
Lakados said:
Anecdotally given the number of “I was doing my work and it just stopped working” stories I’ve been given to find, coffee, water, obvious drop damage, and infections that originated from numerous porn sites the most disturbing of which involved underage beastiality.

I have to assume like half??
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This is one of the many reasons why I'm moving away from working on people's computers to getting into software engineering where I can work from home or collaborate with people on a project instead of dealing with disgusting weirdos.

Also, my least favorite line from a client is, "It wasn't like that before you got here." It's like ... no ... it was exactly like that when I got here ... that's why I'm here. People suck.
 
Shoganai said:
This is one of the many reasons why I'm moving away from working on people's computers to getting into software engineering where I can work from home or collaborate with people on a project instead of dealing with disgusting weirdos.

Also, my least favorite line from a client is, "It wasn't like that before you got here." It's like ... no ... it was exactly like that when I got here ... that's why I'm here. People suck.
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Not even people... It was a Manager in the marketing department of a well-known (in their industry) C&C manufacturer.
 
Shoganai said:
This is one of the many reasons why I'm moving away from working on people's computers to getting into software engineering where I can work from home or collaborate with people on a project instead of dealing with disgusting weirdos.

Also, my least favorite line from a client is, "It wasn't like that before you got here." It's like ... no ... it was exactly like that when I got here ... that's why I'm here. People suck.
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It's a pretty common thing for people to want to deny responsibility. Rather than owning their mistakes.

You can more or less watch this exact process unwind by the numbers in Kitchen Nightmares; to the point where the script writes itself. We know Gordon is going to go in, eat bad food. Discover bad service or other staff issues. Then raid the fridge and find a huge mess of miss-spent cash and rotting food. Then deal with a delusional owner/chef that is disconnected from reality with how bad their restaurant is.
 
UnknownSouljer said:
It's a pretty common thing for people to want to deny responsibility. Rather than owning their mistakes.

You can more or less watch this exact process unwind by the numbers in Kitchen Nightmares; to the point where the script writes itself. We know Gordon is going to go in, eat bad food. Discover bad service or other staff issues. Then raid the fridge and find a huge mess of miss-spent cash and rotting food. Then deal with a delusional owner/chef that is disconnected from reality with how bad their restaurant is.
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People denying responsibility definitely makes the job more miserable, but the horrifying things I've found on people's computers is the real problem for me. I report people instantly now, but when I was younger and fresh out of high school starting my own computer business, I didn't know what to do in those situations. There is more darkness in this world than people realize.
 
Shoganai said:
People denying responsibility definitely makes the job more miserable, but the horrifying things I've found on people's computers is the real problem for me. I report people instantly now
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For what? To whom? Why?

Shoganai said:
There is more darkness in this world than people realize.
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That's ceratainly true. Just look at Russia today.
 
Unabomber said:
No big deal, as far as most Threadripper owners would see.

The way I see it, if you can afford a Threadripper CPU, then you're either going to take care of it and run it as it should be run, or you have enough money to blow that you don't care about the cost of replacing it.
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I can afford a threadripper and I want to be able to overclock it but I don't want to pay for replacement if I didn't damage it.
 
Shoganai said:
Child porn, which is self-explanatory. And I report that demonic crap here: https://report.cybertip.org/ (or the FBI).


More like the world.
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Awesome you are doing that, but also ask, is it just right there on the desktop or something, or are you actively digging through people's personal files when repairing systems?

When I was fixing anyone's computers, it was a copy of the \User\* folders and told people that, export of bookmarks, never looked at anything, redid everything, copied it back and handed it over...
 
MrGuvernment said:
Awesome you are doing that, but also ask, is it just right there on the desktop or something, or are you actively digging through people's personal files when repairing systems?

When I was fixing anyone's computers, it was a copy of the \User\* folders and told people that, export of bookmarks, never looked at anything, redid everything, copied it back and handed it over...
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In my case it was a company asset, and I was JR and tasked with the tedious job of cleaning it, and putting together an incident response of what it was, what it did, and how it got there. And it was discovered during that process. Last I heard he fled the country evading some tax stuff no clue what came up of the rest of it, but that was ~20 years ago.
 
tangoseal said:
This is a major lawsuit pending. According to the Magnusen Moss Warranty Act they basically can't do this.
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They can't apply this policy in the US, but their market is global.
 
Lakados said:
In my case it was a company asset, and I was JR and tasked with the tedious job of cleaning it, and putting together an incident response of what it was, what it did, and how it got there. And it was discovered during that process. Last I heard he fled the country evading some tax stuff no clue what came up of the rest of it, but that was ~20 years ago.
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In that case! free for all!

it is crazy to think people use work assets for things like that...of all devices to use.. the one that is mostly likely to be discovered.....
 
MrGuvernment said:
Awesome you are doing that, but also ask, is it just right there on the desktop or something, or are you actively digging through people's personal files when repairing systems?

When I was fixing anyone's computers, it was a copy of the \User\* folders and told people that, export of bookmarks, never looked at anything, redid everything, copied it back and handed it over...
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I wasn't looking for anything intentionally. It was when I was doing things like malware scans and it would show all the files being scanned and those kinds of files would appear during the scanning process. Sometimes I would happen across them when doing a backup/migration while copying files from one computer to the next. It's honestly just horrifying. Most of the time I'm just backing up the user folder like you said, and bookmarks etc., unless I'm doing a direct metal-to-metal backup/restore to new hardware or cloning a drive to a new one, like an HDD to an SSD.

There have been rare occasions where they're not even hiding anything because they're complete idiots and they have weird crap all over the desktop. I don't dig through people's systems as I feel that's a violation of privacy. It's been a long time since I've had to report anything, but I'm still steering away from this. Mostly I just do maintenance/upgrade contracts with businesses lately and stay out of people's homes. It's not worth the stress.
 
MrGuvernment said:
In that case! free for all!

it is crazy to think people use work assets for things like that...of all devices to use.. the one that is mostly likely to be discovered.....
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My father is an appellate lawyer. The very short version from him after practing law for more than 35 years is that criminals by in large aren’t very smart.

If you are wise, that is to say able to make good decisions, you’re probably not a criminal. There are always exceptions like sociopaths, but even in those cases most if not all make ‘mistakes’. That is to say they have behaviors/impulses they cannot control. And other exceptions like socioeconomic issues. But, not trying to dive into all of that.
 
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This reminds me of the so-called "e fuse" in Samsung phones that "blows" [sic] if you unlock the bootloader and flash a custom rom. It would show Knox 0x1 instead of 0x0 and there was no way to go back to 0x0 even if returned to 100% stock. Even worse, apps that would not work with root still would not work if status was 0x1. Of course USA models now are basically unlockable but that's besides the point.

It was said that if you were 0x1 and sent in for warranty you would get denied. I've never heard of this happening so there's that.
 
UnknownSouljer said:
My father is an appellate lawyer. The very short version from him after practing law for more than 35 years is that criminals by in large aren’t very smart.

If you are wise, that is to say able to make good decisions, you’re probably not a criminal. There are always exceptions like sociopaths, but even in those cases most if not all make ‘mistakes’. That is to say they have behaviors/impulses they cannot control. And other exceptions like socioeconomic issues. But, not trying to dive into all of that.
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Ya, i always say "prisons are full cause most criminals are dumb"
 
Axman said:
They can't apply this policy in the US, but their market is global.
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Even though I am not sure of that, they may still try and pull this here. Our laws are ignored for those who suck the governments err should I say corrupt congressman nipples.
 
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