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AMD clawing back GPU market share.

noko said:
The point is AMD is gaining market share - :rolleyes: - that is real, meaning Nvidia is losing market share :eek:. This is with no major big changes in the last two quarters too :sneaky:. Why? - AMD has better performing cards $400 and down. AMD is making some money from consoles but also achieving a lot of mindshare as well, DX12 will be way more friendlier with AMD GCN arch then Nvidia's Fermi, Kepler and yet another Maxwell. Pascal is to be seen. Vulkan should as well. As developers develope more and more on AMD driven GPU's the better for AMD hardware. Pascal is being deployed as a new high end chip while AMD Polaris will be called a Mainstream chip that may indeed beat the 1070 in performance at a cheaper cost. If AMD can get a better performing card then the 1070 and everything down - Then later with a real Enthusiast chip, Vega - market share may explode for AMD. Nvidia recourse is to bargain bin their inventory at very low prices to stall the take over while they catch up on the Mainstream line. For example 970's for $200.
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gaining marketshare is good, but when you don't have products for 9 months that really don't compete, then you do, you better gain marketshare.


Noko, did you see the comments about AOTS and async/ DX12 and the in game benchmarks yet? Something really weird is going on with them with nV hardware, when doing in game testing with presentmon the results are totally different..... There doesn't seem to be any advantage nothing substantial at least for AMD hardware, and Pascal definitely shows that where it has DX12 advantages over FuryX in Hitman, where its 30+% faster.

The rest, I just don't know how you are even coming up with all that.....
 
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Araxie said:
annnd.. this is where the dream stop and you awake in the real life.. stop the dreams man pls.
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lol part of what he is saying is legit to some degree......one thing thats been killing amd is there timing..drivers are still a tad slow but hugely improved...If they can launch matching products on june 1st and then vega in oct i see market share going to 25% before then end of the year...but you and me know they will be around 6 weeks to 3 months late on both launches which gives nvidia almost zero competition during their big launches. (it would be huge if they were actually selling polaris cards on june 2 right?)
 
Hmm I'm not so sure they will be late, I wouldn't be surprised if they have an announcement at Computex of a launch at E3, they have done this before so its not in the realm of craziness. Drivers shouldn't be much of an issue either, this is an extension of current GCN (refined) so they should be pretty good there too.
 
razor1 said:
Hmm I'm not so sure they will be late, I wouldn't be surprised if they have an announcement at Computex of a launch at E3, they have done this before so its not in the realm of craziness. Drivers shouldn't be much of an issue either, this is an extension of current GCN (refined) so they should be pretty good there too.
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Yea but how many cards could they sell from between june 1st and 3 weeks after E3? Would be a lot right, even with mediocre products lol?
 
Well these are positioned at different markets, so I don't know if it will translate to hurting AMD's marketshare if anything they still have the advantage of a larger crowd to sell to. I'm more worried about, if they don't launch at E3, GP106 is a month or month and half away, (I'm guessing august- sept time frame as this is what nV typically does 1 Q away from lunching high end cards they launch their mid range), would that be enough time for people not to wait for the gp106?
 
Guess your right...We have no proof Polaris 10 will compete nicely with the 1070 but a lot of us just figure it be like "Fury vs 980ti before over clocks". I predict pretty close to even in dx12 and vulkin games going forward between these 2. Of course there have nothing to compete with the 1080 until vega is on the shelf at earliest.
 
Also this locks in OEM's as well, without any competing new GPU's in the midrange for AMD, OEM's will source accordingly, if they know gp106 is coming out with a short time frame, OEM's won't secure as many AMD cards because they will want to take that into consideration as well.
 
Araxie said:
annnd.. this is where the dream stop and you awake in the real life.. stop the dreams man pls.
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Woke up, hey I wasn't dreaming :whistle:. You know there was a lot of if's in there. We just have to wait a little to see how things panned out. Now Nvidia can't be that incompetent if they spent billions designing Pascal and AMD with some millions beats them. It would be kinda funny though.
 
razor1 said:
Also this locks in OEM's as well, without any competing new GPU's in the midrange for AMD, OEM's will source accordingly, if they know gp106 is coming out with a short time frame, OEM's won't secure as many AMD cards because they will want to take that into consideration as well.
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I would think Nvidia is sampling GP106 now and yes will be out in the next 3 months if not earlier. AMD has been giving out samples of Polaris for some time to OEMs, like Apple - so they seem to be more ready for OEMs for this market. That is if AMD can deliver (that has been a routine problem in the past).
 
Its not being ready or being ready, given the time tables AMD has set forth internally, what they showed end of last year, and still no launch , they were not ready to get Polaris into OEM's systems any sooner than nV will be getting Pascal..... Which actually show that both nV and AMD seem to be limited by something that is keeping their schedules relatively similar in release timings (getting rid of left over stock, manufacturing, ram needs, just pick any of them or a combination of them)
 
razor1 said:
Its not being ready or being ready, given the time tables AMD has set forth internally, what they showed end of last year, and still no launch , they were not ready to get Polaris into OEM's systems any sooner than nV will be getting Pascal..... Which actually show that both nV and AMD seem to be limited by something that is keeping their schedules relatively similar in release timings (getting rid of left over stock, manufacturing, ram needs, just pick any of them or a combination of them)
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Sometimes you just have to wait for the fabs to be ready. TSMC for Nvidia and GloFlo for AMD. AMD looks like they planted the best seeds as possible for this line. I will be very disappointed if AMD delays to July.
 
noko said:
Sometimes you just have to wait for the fabs to be ready. TSMC for Nvidia and GloFlo for AMD. AMD looks like they planted the best seeds as possible for this line. I will be very disappointed if AMD delays to July.
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You wont be the only one.....Timing is half the battle imo......Anyone with half a brain wants to see them gaining market share and turning a profit (or at least breaking even)
 
primetime said:
You wont be the only one.....Timing is half the battle imo......Anyone with half a brain wants to see them gaining market share and turning a profit (or at least breaking even)
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I agree, timing is extremely important for this launch. It doesn't matter if price is cheaper, performance around the same level as the 1070, but it is 3 months late to the party. By then most people will have already purchased new cards.
 
Lol "high end add in boards" and they list S3!
Nice to see AMD grab a little more piece of the pie.
 
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