AMD Blocking Access To The Frame Buffer

I didn't read the whole thread but the frame buffer is on your video card... I don't know how AMD is going to restrict access to it as all it is is a predefined section of video memory...
 
I'm not upgrading to Vista for the very same reasons. That, along with all the other issues facing Vista though.

I hope Intel has the balls to say no, unlike AMD that caved in like M$ did. You would think M$ would have had the balls to tell them to shove it but, I guess old Bill is too much of a wimp.
 
CodeX said:
I didn't read the whole thread but the frame buffer is on your video card... I don't know how AMD is going to restrict access to it as all it is is a predefined section of video memory...
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What do you mean? A video card manufacturer can't restrict it's frame buffer?

Cinge said:
I'm not upgrading to Vista for the very same reasons. That, along with all the other issues facing Vista though.

I hope Intel has the balls to say no, unlike AMD that caved in like M$ did. You would think M$ would have had the balls to tell them to shove it but, I guess old Bill is too much of a wimp.
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Why do people care about Intel's integrated video? Do they have an HD-DVD / Blu-Ray Disc decoding solution coming out?
 
It really doesn't matter who is to blame for this. The **AAs caused it, and AMD complied with it. Both are at fault, and yes, even if AMD "had" to do this for the business's sake. The problem with the "consumer voting with their wallet" thing is that 90% of the people I know don't know and don't care about this, and that kinda leaves us 10% a bit underpowered when it comes to having say on this situation. It really does need a large company like Intel or Nvidia to put their foot down and say they will not lock down features for the sake of DRM, but sadly, I don't think that makes much business sense at the moment. I can just see this:

joe-blow - "I need new computer, and I want to be able to watch HD movies on it"
store employee - "Ok, well here's one thats very nice"
jb - "I heard about that other one too, my friend says it has a faster video card for games"
se - "yes, but it will not play your HD movies"
jb - "oh... ok then... I'll take this one"

now, if all hardware manufacturers decided to turn against the **AAs, then the consumer backlash would quite substantial and might be enough to make some movement back towards open computing.
 
MrMike said:
Yup, since AMD bought ATi. This talk is about the R600 and it's children. :)
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LOL! ...and that was a sarcastic remark, I almost used the roll eyes smilie, I would have looked like quite the ass! :eek:
 
Still not answered: is this part of HDCP, and only activated when watching protected content, or it constantly like this?
 
Can't see why anyone cares about Blu ray. This gives me a good reason to dismiss it completely.
 
It would be great if every major manufacturer just said "no." I am not sure the *AA's have any more brains than what is absolutely necessary to indiscriminately sue everything they see, so they would be left in the dark, with no platform to release their media on. Consumers would benefit 1) they realize they really can do without the entertainment industry for a while and when 2) the media associations starve (hardware companies would probably do fine), they would be in a more free, compatible world.
 
Cinge said:
I'm not upgrading to Vista for the very same reasons. That, along with all the other issues facing Vista though.

I hope Intel has the balls to say no, unlike AMD that caved in like M$ did. You would think M$ would have had the balls to tell them to shove it but, I guess old Bill is too much of a wimp.
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God I love when people post without having all the facts.

As quoted on the frontpage of [H]:

“Keep in mind this has nothing to do with what AMD wants, other than the desire to stay in business. Blu-Ray is developed so that it will not work without this kind of copy-protection technology, so you will see exactly the same thing happen with Intel, Nvidia, and anyone else who wants to make next-generation graphics chips that will play the latest media. The reaction to this article is unnecessarily negative toward AMD. People should be blaming the media giants that force not only AMD but everyone else in the market to conform to their standards if they want to keep selling chips that support the latest technology.”
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-V
 
The sad part of it is, I believe that AMD likely had little choice but to do this. Unfortunately, they probably aren't in a position to say no to Microsoft, but for me, it doesn't matter. I've already started saying no by not installing Vista. I am really opposed to where they seem to be headed, and it is going to take quite a lot to get me to change my mind. I'm really not sure how great the game will have to be to entice me to buy Vista and support the future they intend. I don't think this is AMD's fault, but they are going to suffer along with everyone else.

Microsoft is trying to get a stranglehold on content delivery; that is abundantly clear. The fact that they are going to hurt everyone else trying to force it on the public apparently doesn't matter to them. To me, that is a very good reason to start looking into other alternatives. Sorry you can't stand up to them AMD, but I won't be buying any of the products you release with this technology. I don't like the place where it is headed, so I am going to have to pass on this particular train.
 
^^^^ MS is only a small part of this problem.. This measure is to help prevent unauthorized copying of content.. Blame the real culprits; mpaa, blueray, hd, and the rest of the we love stupid drm crowd..

If you boycott everyone that uses this technique, you had better buy all the graphics cards you will ever need right now.. If you think that Nv, Intel, and everyone else that makes gpu's are not going to follow right on behind Amd/Ati, you are prolly in for a surprise.. If this is ends up being required for hardware to get hd/blueray/premium content certified, then they are all going to follow suite..
I really hope it is not required.. Almost makes me want to go back to using DOS/Win3.11 on a 486dx.. How much could I oc one of those with liquid Ni???
 
GORANKAR said:
^^^^ MS is only a small part of this problem.. This measure is to help prevent unauthorized copying of content.. Blame the real culprits; mpaa, blueray, hd, and the rest of the we love stupid drm crowd..

If you boycott everyone that uses this technique, you had better buy all the graphics cards you will ever need right now.. If you think that Nv, Intel, and everyone else that makes gpu's are not going to follow right on behind Amd/Ati, you are prolly in for a surprise.. If this is ends up being required for hardware to get hd/blueray/premium content certified, then they are all going to follow suite..
I really hope it is not required.. Almost makes me want to go back to using DOS/Win3.11 on a 486dx.. How much could I oc one of those with liquid Ni???
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AHEM fair use is a protected right anyone concider writeing your congress man / supreme court? i really the think the supreme court would literally strike down all of this drm bs since its being used to circumvent their ruleing that gave uis fair use rights
 
“Keep in mind this has nothing to do with what AMD wants, other than the desire to stay in business. Blu-Ray is developed so that it will not work without this kind of copy-protection technology, so you will see exactly the same thing happen with Intel, Nvidia, and anyone else who wants to make next-generation graphics chips that will play the latest media. The reaction to this article is unnecessarily negative toward AMD. People should be blaming the media giants that force not only AMD but everyone else in the market to conform to their standards if they want to keep selling chips that support the latest technology.”
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Way to stick up for your beloved AMD there !!!!!! :).
 
Thanatos. said:
Personally i hate this kind of thing last night i put Stranger Than Fiction into my computer to watch it (WinDVD7) and my computer was unable to read it because some sort of copy protection Sony put onto it. I was simply trying to watch a movie WATCH a movie i purchased and they locked me out because i had a burner and nero on my system. If they start limiting access to our own computers and allowing company's to control how and when you are able to view their content on our own computers things like this are only going to get worse. I can just see it now "You are unable to play this video because you dont have a (insert name brand) branded DVD-ROM." Or "Your hardware did not match the approved hardware list and connot play the media" Simply because i didnt purchase the hardware brand that they have in their wallet. Utter BS. And claiming it will help IT in security i can see them implementing this in thier server lines also so no loophole there.
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i had the same problem with casino royale and stranger that fiction, i had to copy the dvds just so i could watch them, there was some sony flash app that was broken on them, and there was about 10 other people there that night trying to watch them. and now they have all been convinced that sony blueray will suck as well.
 
maxius said:
AHEM fair use is a protected right anyone concider writeing your congress man / supreme court? i really the think the supreme court would literally strike down all of this drm bs since its being used to circumvent their ruleing that gave uis fair use rights
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I wish that I had confidence in our government. There are many other violations of our rights that I would hope get addressed first before this...LOL. In the scheme of things, though, it is all part of corporations trying to dictate what can and can't be done...mostly it means that you can't do anything regardless of whether you paid for it in the past, they want money again...and again...and again.
 
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