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3dmark03 and GFX6800
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I see that you've been successfully brainwashed by the year-long smear campaign conducted by:
-nVidia (annoyed that their NV30 hardware was exposed by 3dM 03), and
-the media (annoyed that Futuremark has been trying to boss them around regarding the publishing of results gotten with unapproved drivers)
If 3dMark 03 really didn't mean much anymore, the scores wouldn't match up with real world experiences as well as it continues to do. Do you think it's a coincidence that the 9800XT, the most powerful hardware (until today), had the highest scores in 03 and 01SE?
That doesn't masque the fact that
1. nVidia drivers 'cheat' on 3DMark, giving users a false illusion of performance that isn't actually there (and cheat on games, fyi).
2. 3DMark's engine is not used in any game, period -- therefore it's not a real-world benchmark for users interested in game performance.
Yes, 3DMark is alright to compare cards, but only when drivers don't cheat.. and thanks to nVidia, you can no longer use 3DMark as a reliable, trustable 3D comparison tool.
i just know if your a true enthusiast (benchmarkers + gamers), you dont play games at
800x600 and 1024x768 (unless you ultimately have to due to game performance)
and before you talk about me being brainwashed and other 3rd parties make me think the way i do, you should look at the results.
the 6800 3dmark is not double that of the 9800xt but yet in benchmarks showing fps and aa/af you see more than double performance gains in a lot of games.
how about you mouthwash my cock before you talk about me being brainwashed.
True enthusiast? I play games at 1024x768...
I overlcock just like anyone else but it's not for benchmarks... it's because I wasnt my stuff to perform better so my games perform better.
You better watch yourself before you start getting an elitist attitude...
A TRUE enthusiast... bah...
uh yeah.... did you know that the drivers that they are using arent mature yet?!!?!?!?!?! plus the R420 hasnt been released yet to there is no point on ranting on and on on a card that you have nothing to compare too.... untill the R420 is released and both cards have mature enough drivers there is not point of flamming/fighting/arguing....
The fact that the 3dMark 03 engine isn't used by games isn't relevant. What *is* relevant is that 3dMark 03 scores continue to be very reliable indicators of the performance one can expect from DX9-capable GPUs.
03 says that 9800 Pro is a powerful card (by standards from 24 hours ago, of course). So do the games.
03 says that 9800XT is around 5-10% faster than the Pro. So do the games.
03 says that non-driver-optimized NV30 performance is noticeably less than that of R3xx GPUs. So do the games.
03 says that the 6800U is a generational leap over current hardware, providing ~100% faster performance in all non-CPU-limited situations. So do the games.
So please explain to me again why the 3DMark 03 is a worthless benchmark with no bearing on reality. Seriously.
03 says that 9800 Pro is a powerful card (by standards from 24 hours ago, of course
). So do the games.03 says that 9800XT is around 5-10% faster than the Pro. So do the games.
03 says that non-driver-optimized NV30 performance is noticeably less than that of R3xx GPUs. So do the games.
03 says that the 6800U is a generational leap over current hardware, providing ~100% faster performance in all non-CPU-limited situations. So do the games.
So please explain to me again why the 3DMark 03 is a worthless benchmark with no bearing on reality. Seriously.
because cpu and ram have pretty much no effect on it, where as in games they have a huge impact. (a while back, someone got almost the same score with a 9800 pro in both a 2.4 ghz p4 and a 450 mhz p2, definately not a good reflection of game performance)
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It's called 3Dmark for a reason... its supposed to measure performance in your GPU. Had it been designed to test your system they would have called it something like PCMark. Get the drift? I see it as being a very valid GPU performance gauger.
When I went from a 1800+ to a 2500+ oced to around 3200+, my score in 03 went up something like like 500pts. By what you said you make 3Dmark sound even better as you can tell the real performance of a card no matter what system it's on, so the cpu and ram don't get too much in the way as what happened with 3Dmark01.
Many people have already made good points that prove 3Dmark is a good tool. It has many good purposes, so why keep pointing out things you wouldn't use it for. Like if you had a hammer, it would be good to use with nails, but then someone would come out and say, well it doesn't work with screws, so screw it
Just because 3Dmark can't cover all situations doesn't make it worthless.
'No effect?' Remember, as far as the shelf life of the benchmark is concerned, we're still in the early days of 3dMark 03's life. Except for maybe GT1, it's still very much GPU-limited app, as it should be -- it's a graphics performance tool.
When we start seeing 15k+ scores on the strength of the GPU like we do in 01SE, THEN it'll become a good barometer for system performance in other areas.
Also, remember that at the 'low' score of 6000, a 500 point increase is nearly 10%. A small raw number increase doesn't mean anything -- it's the percentage change that counts.
When we start seeing 15k+ scores on the strength of the GPU like we do in 01SE, THEN it'll become a good barometer for system performance in other areas.
Also, remember that at the 'low' score of 6000, a 500 point increase is nearly 10%. A small raw number increase doesn't mean anything -- it's the percentage change that counts.
01SE is a good reflection of DX7/8 game performance -- that's 99% of everything out there. All of the high end GPUs can handle these games, so most are limited by other aspects of the system.
03 is a DX9 benchmark. Its results seem to hold water when compared against the performance in a game like Halo.
03 is a DX9 benchmark. Its results seem to hold water when compared against the performance in a game like Halo.
but also take into account that a 2k1 score reflects your processor, ram and gpu, they all effect it significantly, like in a real game, in 2k3, the only thing that really matters is the gpu, unlike a real game, doubling your 2k3 score could only equate a 5% increase in game if you are cpu bound, whereas doubling your 2k1 score will have far more tangible results.
Nope, Full name is "David Harold Barnard". i play all games 8xAF, 6xAA and get good fps on all games including such Farcry, UT2k4, and CoD. Thanks for trying to look like you show some bit of intelligence but you need some work with the insults. k thanks bye.
Zoltan I have noticed a trend. Many threads you participate in end up in a flame war... most of them because you said something similar to this. I am not saying the other guy isn't just as much at fault, but I am saying that you seem to be a factor in many flame wars started around here.
Keep it civil man and keep the insults down... makes it better for everyone.
"ROFL, who cares if they cheat on games... doesn't that just mean better for the consumer." That would have sufficed.
Just a thought...
I got an idea. How about you read some of the IQ comparisons. Until then, here's a link for you:
http://www.tech-report.com/etc/2001q4/radeon-q3/index.x?pg=1
obs.. that link proves my point even more.. Did I say anything about ATI or Nvidia ? does it really matter who cheats ? Its the same result you get. crippled graphics
zoltan : Im pretty sure everyone who read this thread would agree that you really matured on the matter of insulting.. I presented a valid point and all you could do was insult more.. Way to go be a troll,, have fun with the washed out graphics
zoltan : Im pretty sure everyone who read this thread would agree that you really matured on the matter of insulting.. I presented a valid point and all you could do was insult more.. Way to go be a troll,, have fun with the washed out graphics
Oh my god. I never pick on cheeze but this is about to drive me nuts. People like you lower the quality of this forum by insulting and swearing every time someone has a different opinion from you.
Putting "Dumbass. Fanboy." was entirely unnecessary. Did you NOT read the forum rules. Be civil man.
Just give your opinion and leave your insults out of it. It ISN'T necessary when conveying an opinion.
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When you make such a statement you should know that
your processor, system chipset, and memory have alot to do with 3D applications or games
SPECIALLY your processorDigital Viper-X-
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I agree with him ^^ Very well put!
And also
Futuremark Certifying drivers means what to anyone?