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NEC lcd2690wuxi 2008 Spectraview activation problem

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Hello.

Neg lcd 2690wuxi European version

in february 2008 i bought the Lcd2690wuxi from Nec. Nec has now changed the advanced menu so that the spectraview activation no longer is available. Do anyone know where to get the firmware used on the the 2007 models of the display, or the NEW rutine to activate the spectraview hardware calibration?

Tiger
 
Hi

No its not. in the european version of spectraview software (Profiler) the hardware calibration is grayed out. now the Lut is calibrated through the videocard not the monitors hardware. is this not true?
 
Look at this picture.
This is how SpectraViewII software works - beginning from factory defaults, without activating anything.
Top part - factory defaults in OSD.
Middle part - this report is seen during calibration - monitor LUT is being calibrated. Watch for screen reports when you calibrate your monitor.
Bottom part - OSD setting automaticaly switched to "hardware calibration mode" = programmable.
Try to set OSD first (gamma and color control to Programmable).
BTW - make sure you follow the software operation instructions.
Start the software after the colorimeter having been connected and recognized.
Please, let me know if that helped.
 
no it did not help..but thanks anyway.
the main difference between the Spectraview and the multisync is the SPECTAVIEW hardware calibration . are you using the 2008 version of the mulitsync screen albovin?..do you now the difference between videocard LUT and the displays LUT?


thanks man
 
Had the same problem with my european 2008 2690Wuxi and removed it because of this and sub-pixel-errors plus annoying sounds.
Pretty bad because I liked it very much except these values.
 
Oki? hmmm im thinking about a switchout too...dont like the firmware change myself.
 
10to1 said:
the main difference between the Spectraview and the multisync is the SPECTAVIEW hardware calibration
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Who told you that?
All of them are multisync or mightythink or spectraview - regardless what they are called for marketing purposes - technically no difference.
Same monitors with LUT calibration.

I've tried SpectraView Profiler (two versions).
As you see in this picture, hardware calibration option is grayed out with my monitor (2007) too, although it works with SpectraViewII perfectly.
Note that this option is not available at all in the older Profiler version.
But you have Combined hard- and software calibration option.
It has never been said that famous "NEC/LaCie LUT calibration" is monitor LUT calibration ONLY.

SpectraView II and LaCie Blue Eye Pro calibrate monitor LUT without telling you what they actually calibrate - monitor LUT only or both monitor + videocard - the process is done automatically. The result is perfect - dE=0.2 - what could be better?

If you choose software calibration, Hardware Setup bar will appear in the main menu - this is how we usually (manual settings) calibrate regular monitors without LUT calibration.
It says that if you stay with Combined mode you will get automatic calibration, same way as for SpectraViewII/LaCie Blue Eye Pro.

So far, it looks like differences in monitor LUT calibration modes are the matter of precise terminology. We'll see if anything changes when 3090WQXi arrives with it's Stand Alone calibration (colorimeter connected directly to the monitor).

Anyway, there is nothing wrong with existing monitors, all useful, all technically identical (unless NEC's engineers confirm opposite - otherwise BS), all with calibrated LUT, all without "secret switchers" to SpectraView.
Just use an appropriate software and be happy.
 
Maybe the spectraview problematic needs to be explained more in dept for the non-european readers:
The european models are sold with or without the spectraview kit, and it can't be bought separately.
And it's only possible to use the hardware LUT calibration with the spectraview version.
The normal NEC monitors used to have an option in the hidden service menu to enable the LUT calibration, which made it possible to use them like the versions which cost 50% more (already subtracted the price for a sensor)
NEC seems to have noticed this and disabled the possibility to activate LUT calibration of the standard models.

Maybe it's possible to change the firmware to the one used in the US version as all the hardware seems to be identical but I don't if there's a way to do so.
 
A (german) discussion including how to @ prad where they were wondering if it was the same as piracy. (but can't find it, might have been deleted)

It's possible that it never was possible with the 26'' monitor and only an option with the previous models.
 
Benny said:
A (german) discussion including how to @ prad where they were wondering if it was the same as piracy. (but can't find it, might have been deleted)

It's possible that it never was possible with the 26'' monitor and only an option with the previous models.
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This is a popular misunderstanding.
What you call "service menu" is not a service menu. It's an extended user's menu - Advanced OSM.

What is mistakenly called "hardware calibration activation", "SpectraView activation", "switcher", etc. is just a combination of OSM settings - a convenience feature.
There are OSM controls settings that the manufacturer considers optimal for hardware calibration/professional work (so-called SpectraView Settings). Instead of opening each menu section to set different controls separately, the manufacturer offers one touch switch to "SpectraView setting" in Advanced OSM.
Some users mistakenly believe that this settings switch is a misterious "hardware calibration activation" which is not.
Hardware calibration is always activated. Monitor LUT is calibrated regardless SpectraView settings set to ON or OFF.
 
albovin said:
This is a popular misunderstanding.
What you call "service menu" is not a service menu. It's an extended user's menu - Advanced OSM.

What is mistakenly called "hardware calibration activation", "SpectraView activation", "switcher", etc. is just a combination of OSM settings - a convenience feature.
There are OSM controls settings that the manufacturer considers optimal for hardware calibration/professional work (so-called SpectraView Settings). Instead of opening each menu section to set different controls separately, the manufacturer offers one touch switch to "SpectraView setting" in Advanced OSM.
Some users mistakenly believe that this settings switch is a misterious "hardware calibration activation" which is not.
Hardware calibration is always activated. Monitor LUT is calibrated regardless SpectraView settings set to ON or OFF.
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Are you sure, Albovin? So what is the main difference between 2690WUXi and Spectraview? Only software and calibartion kit? I'm not sure these two options justify nearly 50% price difference.
 
Biges said:
Are you sure, Albovin? So what is the main difference between 2690WUXi and Spectraview? Only software and calibartion kit? I'm not sure these two options justify nearly 50% price difference.
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SV kit is sold as an accessory for a "regular" NEC for $275.

Can I be more sure than NEC Corporation itself?

BTW LaCie software works with no problem. It also calibrates monitor LUT.

Theoretically I assume that LUT calibration can be disabled on "european" so-called "non-SV" monitors. This is technology. This is marketing. Everything is possible.
BUT!
Nobody was able to provide a link to confirm this by manuals or manufacturer releases.
Nobody actually says: "I tried to calibrate my "european" "non-SV" with (which??) software and found that monitor LUT is not calibrated".
Instead of that they say:"I am looking for a SV switcher and can't find it".:)
They are looking for indirect signs of LUT calibration ("hardware calibration is grayed out on SV Profiler"). So what? On my 100% sure LUT calibratable monitor this option is grayed out too.
Don't look for indirect signs, grab your SV Profiler and calibrate your NEC! After that say something, not before (I don't mean you personally, I mean those in doubt generally).
Why not try LaCie Blue Eye Pro software if SVII is not available.
Prad.de test of the NEC 2690 does not say anything about enabled/disabled LUT calibration.
 
albovin said:
SV kit is sold as an accessory for a "regular" NEC for $275.

Can I be more sure than NEC Corporation itself?

BTW LaCie software works with no problem. It also calibrates monitor LUT.

Theoretically I assume that LUT calibration can be disabled on "european" so-called "non-SV" monitors. This is technology. This is marketing. Everything is possible.
BUT!
Nobody was able to provide a link to confirm this by manuals or manufacturer releases.
Nobody actually says: "I tried to calibrate my "european" "non-SV" with (which??) software and found that monitor LUT is not calibrated".
Instead of that they say:"I am looking for a SV switcher and can't find it".:)
They are looking for indirect signs of LUT calibration ("hardware calibration is grayed out on SV Profiler"). So what? On my 100% sure LUT calibratable monitor this option is grayed out too.
Don't look for indirect signs, grab your SV Profiler and calibrate your NEC! After that say something, not before (I don't mean you personally, I mean those in doubt generally).
Why not try LaCie Blue Eye Pro software if SVII is not available.
Prad.de test of the NEC 2690 does not say anything about enabled/disabled LUT calibration.
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Albovin,

You don't seem to realise that in Europe you cannot buy the Spectraview kit separately to upgrade the NEC 90 series multisync monitors like you can in the US. NEC Europe and NEC North America have completely different policies in this matter.

Also, in North America the Spectraview software is written by NEC. In Europe it is a rebadged version of basICColor display 4 which is written by a German company.

The basICColor/European Spectraview software will not adjust a non Spectraview 2690 monitor's LUT during calibration. I asked them.

Europeans cannot buy the Spectraview II software from NEC North America directly as European credit cards will be rejected. The only way is to get someone living in the US/Canada to buy it for them and post to Europe.

In Europe when 2690wuxi monitors are chosen to be Spectraview versions they are given different firmware identifying them as Spectraview monitors. The Spectraview software looks for this and if it sees a Spectraview monitor it will allow adjustment of the LUT during calibration.

Apparently you could fool the software by entering the advance OSM and in the tagE section there was an option to turn on the Spectraview setting, and so allow LUT adjustment during calibration. Now, this tweak has been removed from the OSM and is not possible on newer monitors. I have just bought the Spectraview 2690 and it is not in the menu. I live in the UK by the way.

This is why people from Europe are asking about this. In North America NEC has a much better policy where you can opt to buy the Spectraview kit separately from the monitor. This is not the case in Europe.

I don't know if the Lacie software will adjust the LUT or not. It might do as some of the Lacie screens seem to be essentially NEC screens with a different badge.
 
albovin said:
This is a popular misunderstanding.
What you call "service menu" is not a service menu. It's an extended user's menu - Advanced OSM.
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There was a hidden setting in older revisions which allowed you to enable/disable SpectraView. It involved pressing a combination of buttons. It was not listed in any menu. That setting needs to be disabled for the US version of SpectraView to work properly, but it needs to be enabled for the EU version of SpectraView to do hardware LUT calibration. That's the setting they took out.
 
albovin, yes, it is about marketing.
So, did you with calibration get rid of over-saturated colors? I mean especially red? Thanks

Edit: Now I have it confirmed from NEC. Without activating SV mode, European version CAN NOT be LUT calibrated. My source also says that this entirely bizzare marketing policy should be abandoned with the 3090. But I don't want that large monitor :-/
 
mlewis said:
Albovin,

You don't seem to realise that in Europe you cannot buy the Spectraview kit separately to upgrade the NEC 90 series multisync monitors like you can in the US. NEC Europe and NEC North America have completely different policies in this matter.

Also, in North America the Spectraview software is written by NEC. In Europe it is a rebadged version of basICColor display 4 which is written by a German company.

The basICColor/European Spectraview software will not adjust a non Spectraview 2690 monitor's LUT during calibration. I asked them.

Europeans cannot buy the Spectraview II software from NEC North America directly as European credit cards will be rejected. The only way is to get someone living in the US/Canada to buy it for them and post to Europe.

In Europe when 2690wuxi monitors are chosen to be Spectraview versions they are given different firmware identifying them as Spectraview monitors. The Spectraview software looks for this and if it sees a Spectraview monitor it will allow adjustment of the LUT during calibration.

Apparently you could fool the software by entering the advance OSM and in the tagE section there was an option to turn on the Spectraview setting, and so allow LUT adjustment during calibration. Now, this tweak has been removed from the OSM and is not possible on newer monitors. I have just bought the Spectraview 2690 and it is not in the menu. I live in the UK by the way.

This is why people from Europe are asking about this. In North America NEC has a much better policy where you can opt to buy the Spectraview kit separately from the monitor. This is not the case in Europe.

I don't know if the Lacie software will adjust the LUT or not. It might do as some of the Lacie screens seem to be essentially NEC screens with a different badge.
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You don't seem to realise that in Europe you cannot buy the Spectraview kit separately
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No, Sir.
Wrong impression.
I know that very well.

In Europe when 2690wuxi monitors are chosen to be Spectraview versions they are given different firmware identifying them as Spectraview monitors.
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As I have said, I ASSUME that.
No facts so far.
Any evidence that in "older" european non-SV NECs LUT calibration was not possible unless you switch to "SV Settings" in tagE?
Any evidence that in "newer" european non-SV NECs LUT calibration is not possible at all?
I have to repeat: we have seen a lot of attempts to find a misterious switcher, but no attemts to calibrate the monitor and then say what they have. That's a big difference. And this is what we are talking about. It may or may not be. We just need to confirm Yes or No.

Another thing to repeat.
On my monitor SV software calibrates LUT with or without doing anything in the tagE section. Does it mean anything? Same for LaCie software.

I don't know if the Lacie software will adjust the LUT or not.
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Now you know, It does in case of my monitor.
Try european non-SV NEC, so we'll see.
Thank you.
 
Well, it seems I just won't get my answer no matter what.
Please, albovin, did you with calibration get rid of over-saturated colors? I mean especially red?
 
If you vew colours in colour managed applications - eg Photoshop, Firefox 3 - after calibration then no colour is oversaturated. Outside of colour managed applications, even after calibration then colours are still oversaturated. I don't know if the Vista desktop is properly colour managed (I don't run Vista) but XP isn't properly colour managed so the colours on it's desktop are a bit strong.

Until all applications/operating systems are colour managed then with wide gamut monitors colurs will not display correctly all the time.
 
albovin said:
No, Sir.
Wrong impression.
I know that very well.
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Sorry, I assumed wrong.


OK, some facts.

In North America the 90 series multisync monitors can be bought with or without the Spectraview II software.

The Spectraview II software is made by NEC.

The Spectraview II software will enable calibration using the LUT of 90 series monitors.

In Europe you can buy 90 series monitors. You can also buy Spectraview versions of 90 series monitors.

The Spectraview monitors come with a monitor hood and Spectraview 4 software - rebadged basICColor display 4 software.

Spectraview monitors have different firmware from multisync versions, they also have passed certain tests.(as I was informed by NEC when talking about their monitors at this year's Focus on Imaging exhibition)

The European Spectraview 4 software can be used to calibrate and profile any monitor. It will not adjust the LUT of non Spectraview monitors. (As told to me when I asked the makers of the software.)

When using Spectraview 4 software to calibrate a non spectraview 90 series multisync monitor the option to adjust the LUT is greyed out. (See 10to1's second post - the third in the thread - and a forum post on the Widescreen Gaming Forums site by Tamlin_WSGF)

If you read the post on Widescreen Gaming Forums by Tamlin_WSGF (search the forums for 2690 and it should be the first result) he walks through a way of letting the Spectraview 4 software adjust the LUT of non spectraview 90 series monitors. It involves entering the advanced OSM, going to tagE, and setting the Spectraview option to on.

People in Europe who have recently bought 90 series monitors have reported that this option is no longer there and therefore cannot enable LUT calibration with the Spectraview 4 software. (I have just bought a Spectraview 2690 and this option is not in the advanced OSM).

The Spectraview II software has been reported to work on European models but is a hassle to get in Europe as you need a credit card registed in the US/Canada to buy it.

As the Spectraview II software will work on all 90 series Multisysncs it will not care if the Spectraview option is on or off on monitors with that option - hence your findings that it doesn't matter Albovin.

It would be interesting to see if the Lacie Blue Eye software will calibrate using the LUT of non-Spectraview European monitors. Someone with access to it and a relevant monitor should try it.

NEC Europe should have set up this Spectraview thing like NEC North America. It would be a lot easier.
 
Biges said:
Well, it seems I just won't get my answer no matter what.
Please, albovin, did you with calibration get rid of over-saturated colors? I mean especially red?
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I use 2490. No problem with oversaturation.
 
albovin said:
I use 2490. No problem with oversaturation.
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Well, when SV mode is activated on 2690 and it is set to sRGB, color return to normal. I think this can not be achieved otherwise. At least I don't know anyone, who could say: "I put these and these setting on my 2690 and colors now look normal."
 
So!
I donwloaded Europen SV 4.1.8 and when SV mode is activated, LCD2690WUXi can be HW LUT calibrated, without it it can not.
 
albovin said:
I use 2490. No problem with oversaturation.
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That is because the gamut of a 2490 is pretty much the same as sRGB.

The 2690 and 3090 have wider gamuts so software which is not colour aware will not display colours correctly.
 
mlewis said:
Sorry, I assumed wrong.


OK, some facts.

In North America the 90 series multisync monitors can be bought with or without the Spectraview II software. OK

The Spectraview II software is made by NEC. OK

The Spectraview II software will enable calibration using the LUT of 90 series monitors. OK

In Europe you can buy 90 series monitors. You can also buy Spectraview versions of 90 series monitors. OK

The Spectraview monitors come with a monitor hood and Spectraview 4 software - rebadged basICColor display 4 software. OK

Spectraview monitors have different firmware from multisync versions, they also have passed certain tests.(as I was informed by NEC when talking about their monitors at this year's Focus on Imaging exhibition) NO. At least in North America they have the same firmware.

The European Spectraview 4 software can be used to calibrate and profile any monitor. It will not adjust the LUT of non Spectraview monitors. (As told to me when I asked the makers of the software.) I believe so.

When using Spectraview 4 software to calibrate a non spectraview 90 series multisync monitor the option to adjust the LUT is greyed out. (See 10to1's second post - the third in the thread - and a forum post on the Widescreen Gaming Forums site by Tamlin_WSGF)
On my SVII monitor Hardware Calibration in SV Profiler is greyed out regardless SV Settings are On or Off.

If you read the post on Widescreen Gaming Forums by Tamlin_WSGF (search the forums for 2690 and it should be the first result) he walks through a way of letting the Spectraview 4 software adjust the LUT of non spectraview 90 series monitors. It involves entering the advanced OSM, going to tagE, and setting the Spectraview option to on.
1. I remember this post. It does not say directly that Hardware Calibration on SV Profiler was disabled before SV Setting activation and then turned enabled after. Even if it does - see #2.
2 Let's separate SV Profiler activation problem and the possibility of LUT calibration on non-SV european NECs.
3. Be attentive to details. What you call "Spectraview option" is called "Spectraview Settings".

People in Europe who have recently bought 90 series monitors have reported that this option is no longer there and therefore cannot enable LUT calibration with the Spectraview 4 software. (I have just bought a Spectraview 2690 and this option is not in the advanced OSM).

The Spectraview II software has been reported to work on European models but is a hassle to get in Europe as you need a credit card registed in the US/Canada to buy it. If this is a fact, it says that there is no difference between SV/non-SV european NECS - all are LUT calibration ready.

As the Spectraview II software will work on all 90 series Multisysncs it will not care if the Spectraview option is on or off on monitors with that option - hence your findings that it doesn't matter Albovin.

It would be interesting to see if the Lacie Blue Eye software will calibrate using the LUT of non-Spectraview European monitors. Someone with access to it and a relevant monitor should try it.OK

NEC Europe should have set up this Spectraview thing like NEC North America. It would be a lot easier. Strongly agree.
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Thank you.
 
Spectraview monitors have different firmware from multisync versions, they also have passed certain tests.(as I was informed by NEC when talking about their monitors at this year's Focus on Imaging exhibition) NO. At least in North America they have the same firmware.
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In the US they have the same firmware. I meant that in Europe they do not.

The Spectraview II software has been reported to work on European models but is a hassle to get in Europe as you need a credit card registed in the US/Canada to buy it. If this is a fact, it says that there is no difference between SV/non-SV european NECS - all are LUT calibration ready
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If you read the post on Widescreen Gaming Forums by Tamlin_WSGF (search the forums for 2690 and it should be the first result) he walks through a way of letting the Spectraview 4 software adjust the LUT of non spectraview 90 series monitors. It involves entering the advanced OSM, going to tagE, and setting the Spectraview option to on.
1. I remember this post. It does not say directly that Hardware Calibration on SV Profiler was disabled before SV Setting activation and then turned enabled after. Even if it does - see #2.
2 Let's separate SV Profiler activation problem and the possibility of LUT calibration on non-SV european NECs.
3. Be attentive to details. What you call "Spectraview option" is called "Spectraview Settings".
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I never said that the non sv versions cannot be LUT calibrated. The issue is that the European Spectraview software will not do it unless a setting in the advanced OSM is changed and as the setting option has now been removed from the advanced OSM owners of newer monitors are out of luck getting the European Spectraview software to tweak the LUT in calibration.
 
Eeee... can I asume even the newer Euro version can be LUT calibrated with US SVII?
I really think the marketing director of NEC Displayes division had to be drunk to come with such marketing strategy...
 
Biges said:
Eeee... can I asume even the newer Euro version can be LUT calibrated with US SVII?
I really think the marketing director of NEC Displayes division had to be drunk to come with such marketing strategy...
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The US Spectraview II software will probably work with the newer European models. Only way to be sure is to try.
 
So! Does anyone know know, how to activate SV mode in the new euro revisions of 2690?
 
So! Does anyone know know, how to activate SV mode in the new euro revisions of 2690?
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I don't think you can. They seemed to have changed the firmware to stop people using the Spectraview 4 software when they haven't bought the Spectraview version.

I have looked through every menu on my EU Spectraview 2690 and there doesn't appear to be an option where you could enable/disable Spectraview.

You will have to try getting hold of the Spectraview II software from NEC North America.
 
mlewis said:
I don't think you can. They seemed to have changed the firmware to stop people using the Spectraview 4 software when they haven't bought the Spectraview version.

I have looked through every menu on my EU Spectraview 2690 and there doesn't appear to be an option where you could enable/disable Spectraview.

You will have to try getting hold of the Spectraview II software from NEC North America.
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So you say that with the US version it can be done? Damned, I'll have to try it :) Next week I'm going to a NEC store and they will let me work with the new revision 2690, a computer and a calibration probe.

Maybe the option is still there, but the activation will be more... secret :) Like pressing FIVE buttons at once and praying to Budha :)
 
casacki said:
May I ask for the results of this experiment? Maybe you just cannot write because you broke some fingers?
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My experiment was negative, I wasn't able to work with the monitor (new revision) as with the old one (which I have now). But I didn't have a calibrator to test, only the software.
The only thing which remains to be tested is to find someone with the new revision model and... the rest better via a PM :)
 
Hello All,

EDIT: Thanks for all the wicked and invaluable information available at this forum. With so many knowledgeable people around you just gotta be bad.

I'm looking for a monitor with one-click dedicated hardware calibration (as in loading monitor LUTs).
But I decided to first make a selection of good quality monitors within my budget.
Then narrow down the selection further by checking calibration options.


After about 1 month of researching, I narrowed down my options to :
  1. 2 x NEC MultiSync LCD2690WUXi EU version (EUR 1050)
  2. 2 x LaCie 324 (+ Hood + Blue Eye Pro Kit) (EUR 1185)
  3. 2 x Samsung XL24 (+ Hood + Callibration Kit) (EUR 1465)
Although number 2 and 3, being PVA panels, are quite far from the #1 spot.

But as we all know, NEC Europe is being awkward. And I found out about this, after settling for their monitors.
(LCD2490WUXI was #1 on my list, but not available in Europe. And 2 x SpectraView 2690 EU version is out of my budget.)

So I went back to some of the "European" reviews and started checking which calibration kits were used in the reviews that I read.
(And the calibration kits would have to be available to me to buy separately when not bundled with the monitor ofcourse.)

In this review at BeHardware (France) : Nec MultiSync LCD2690WUXi: the first 26 inch
they used the Lacie Blue Eye Pro Kit to calibrate.
But they do not mention whether the calibration was hardware, software, or combined.

In this review at Prad (Germany) : REVIEW: NEC LCD2690WUXi Part 10
they used the Colorimeter Eye One Display 2 by Gretag MacBeth and Quatographic’s iColor calibration software to calibrate.
But again, this reviewer also doesn't mention whether the calibration was hardware, software, or combined.

Knowing that the European SpectraView software is a rebadged BasICColor calibration kit, and that it I would get know for an answer from BasICColor (from reply #15 in this topic NEC lcd2690wuxi 2008 Spectraview activation problem.
I still sent them an email this morning and asked whether the SQUID FE and/or SQUID 2 kits would load the monitor LUTs after calibration.
Their reply :
taken from an email reply by basICColor.de to me said:
  1. No! The SQUID FE can not replace the SpectraView Profiler 4, which is bundled with the SpectraView monitors.
    The software is some kind of light version of the SpectraView Profiler/basICColor display 4.
  2. The SQUID 2 Bundle has the same features like the SpectraView Profiler and supports the same monitors.
    But your monitor is not capable to be fully hardware calibrated. Luminance, contrast and color temperature can be set up in hardware,
    but the LUT will be still written to the graphics card. This is one of the main differences between the MultiSync and the SpectraView models.
The right choice for you would be the basICColor display SQUID 2 kit to get the best results for your monitor setup.
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To me this is as honest as they can get. And I understand.

But I'm getting fed up. I just started a 3 week holiday this Monday. And I'm suffering from information overload (I think).

But I know of this free and sweet little program SoftMCCS:
taken from the SoftMCCS homepage said:
How it works
After establishing effective communication, softMCCS reads each connected display's EDID and MCCS capabilities strings. Within seconds softMCCS presents categorized information, current status and supported controls for each connected display in an easily-recognizable, property sheet metaphor. Beyond it's ability to simultaneously report the status of over 150 VCP code locations in a tested display, softMCCS also provides full control over each supported command and allows individual datagrams to be sent over the DDC/CI channel while viewing raw traffic in an ongoing log window. The speed of the underlying softOSD engine even makes it possible for softMCCS to react, in real-time, to events such as hot-plugging, changes to a tested display's orientation (portrait or landscape), and to synchronize with the use of a tested display's conventional OSD. In addition, softMCCS is the first tool in the world capable of flashing a display's EEPROM entirely through the use of software alone. Provided there is no hardware write-protection, jigs and other programming fixtures are no longer required to update the EDID.
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Because it commnunicates directly with your monitor through DDC/CI to get EDID and MCCS it sometimes reveals hidden settings that were not exposed in the monitor's OSD/OSM by the manufacturer.
Basically offering all settings you can make in your OSD/OSM, and sometimes more.
Or if you do not have an OSD/OSM at all (certain 30 inch monitors), maybe you can have one now.

I use it with my current dual monitor setup (2 x HP p1230 CRTs) to replace the OSD (or OSM whatever).
But it's just like a woman, be gentle or she/it will crash your PC.
softMCCS sometimes crashes with access violation errors.
Just confirm the dialogs, close any other apps, and run softMCCS again.
(On my box the problem occurs, when I also have other programs running.)

So my question is, if there's anyone with a European NEC MultiSync LCD2690WUXi (non-SpectraView) who would be willing to install and check whether the Advanced menu option to open up SpectraView mode is still available, and controllable from within softMCCS ?

Apologies for the long reply. Longer is sometimes better.

TIA,
Robert

There is something with the edit function of this forum, it retrieves previous versions of a post. It constantly changes the "[/url]" into "" of the link to the BeHardware review.
 
InToGraphics,
This is not exactly what you are asking for but for your information:

In this review at BeHardware (France) : Nec MultiSync LCD2690WUXi: the first 26 inch
they used the Lacie Blue Eye Pro Kit to calibrate.
But they do not mention whether the calibration was hardware, software, or combined.
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This software works with 2490.
No indication if it is hardware or "combined" calibration in your terminology.
I believe it's hardware - it's done automatically.

check whether the Advanced menu option to open up SpectraView mode is still available, and controllable from within softMCCS ?
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I have this software om my computer - just to see what it is.
I never use it. It's potentially harmful and too primitive and useless (pardon me) for the NEC.
This software covers some 1/4 of the monitor controls and nothing of settings you have through SpectraViewII calibration tool.
This is what it shows for the NEC 2490WUXi with so-called "SpectraView settings" available in the Advanced menu.
my.php

SpectraView settings do not seem to be reflected in the software report.
 
albovin,
I didn't mean to find SpectraView settings as available in the SpectraViewII calibration software.
I just meant to check wether the menu option in the Advanced menu to unlock the SpectraView mode is still there and was only removed from the LCD2690WUXI OSD/OSM. But still possible to "activate" by softMCCS.
I realise that we can't compare softMCCS to SpectraViewII.
softMCCS is more like a monitor's OSD/OSM. While SpectraViewII will calibrate a monitor.

The screenshot of your LCD2490WUXI shows a little bit more or a little bit less settings than my CRTs in certain sections. Especially geometry. It's most likely not necessary. LCDs and CRTs are just not the same. :)
softMCCS with HP p1230 top part
softMCCS with HP p1230 bottom part


Cheers,
Robert
 
InToGraphics said:
albovin,
I didn't mean to find SpectraView settings as available in the SpectraViewII calibration software.
I just meant to check wether the menu option in the Advanced menu to unlock the SpectraView mode is still there and was only removed from the LCD2690WUXI OSD/OSM. But still possible to "activate" by softMCCS.
I realise that we can't compare softMCCS to SpectraViewII.
softMCCS is more like a monitor's OSD/OSM. While SpectraViewII will calibrate a monitor.

The screenshot of your LCD2490WUXI shows a little bit more or a little bit less settings than my CRTs in certain sections. Especially geometry. It's most likely not necessary. LCDs and CRTs are just not the same. :)
softMCCS with HP p1230 top part
softMCCS with HP p1230 bottom part


Cheers,
Robert
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One more time.
"SpectraView settings" = "SpectraView mode"
What you are looking for is called "SpectraView settings" in the Advanced menu of the monitor. (We are not talking about SpectraViewII calibration software now).
Tested monitor has this option (SpectraView mode if you wish) in the menu. It is there in the monitor.
But softMCCS is not able to detect it as can be seen in the report.



I realise that we can't compare softMCCS to SpectraViewII.
softMCCS is more like a monitor's OSD/OSM. While SpectraViewII will calibrate a monitor.
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Now about SpectraViewII calibration software.
I mentioned it in conjunction with NEC's OSD to underline how limited softMCCS is in comparison with monitor's OSD. SpectraViewII calibration software does not just calibrate the monitor, it has its own huge OSD with many options that in fact may be considered as monitor's OSD extention. SpectraViewII is not just a "cleaner", it's a "builder".
Best wishes.
 
albovin,

albovin said:
One more time.
"SpectraView settings" = "SpectraView mode"
What you are looking for is called "SpectraView settings" in the Advanced menu of the monitor. (We are not talking about SpectraViewII calibration software now).
Tested monitor has this option (SpectraView mode if you wish) in the menu. It is there in the monitor.
But softMCCS is not able to detect it as can be seen in the report.
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Which means that you could switch SpectraView mode off on your non-European version.
Also I would have expected that if softMCCS exposed the SpectraView setting it would have been in the "Manufacturer specific" section. (AFAIK it's specific to NEC.)
  1. Have you ever tried switching SpectraView mode off ?
    (Who would want to do this anyway ?)
  2. Does this option actually do anything, or is it just a "placebo" ?
  3. Could you please explain to me the meaning of the Manufacturer specific settings you see in softMCCS ?
    (I myself can't be too sure wether one of them is not the SpectraView settings option. They are all labelled "Manufacturer specific". But you seem to be pretty sure that none of them is the hidden SpectraView setting.)
With reference to 2. : if SpectraView settings is not a real functioning setting (no real On or Off), softMCCS will not be able to detect it. Setting it to On or Off might give you visual feedback that something has changed, although nothing did. Maybe the OSD/OSM (read NEC) is "lying" to you. :p

Anyway, my original request still stands :
Wether someone with a European NEC MultiSync LCD2690WUXI, is willing to check wether the menu option in the Advanced menu to unlock the SpectraView mode is still there and was only removed from the LCD2690WUXI OSD/OSM. But still possible to "activate" by softMCCS.
Ideally it would be on both European MultiSync versions. One with the hidden SpectraView settings menu option and one with it removed from the OSD/OSM.
Why keep on guessing and assuming ?
We have a (remote) chance to prove that there are/aren't differences between non-US/JP and US/JP versions of these monitors.

I wonder just how many sales NEC Europe has lost because of their awkwardness.
It's beginning to look like the NEC monitors are not for me (at the moment).
Just to cover my ... I'm going to re-evaluate my ?-IPS options. Yawn!
But luckily not that many.
Alright I'm going in. Keep me covered!

Robert

P.S. Don't be too hard on softMCCS, it's just a showcase for the underlying softOSD library which is licensed to OEMs. I can't imagine that every single bit of functionality would be exposed in a showcase. It's just there for the big picture of its capabilities. We could have been lucky.
 
InToGraphics said:
albovin,

Which means that you could switch SpectraView mode off on your non-European version.
Also I would have expected that if softMCCS exposed the SpectraView setting it would have been in the "Manufacturer specific" section. (AFAIK it's specific to NEC.)
  1. Have you ever tried switching SpectraView mode off ?
    (Who would want to do this anyway ?)
  2. Does this option actually do anything, or is it just a "placebo" ?
  3. Could you please explain to me the meaning of the Manufacturer specific settings you see in softMCCS ?
    (I myself can't be too sure wether one of them is not the SpectraView settings option. They are all labelled "Manufacturer specific". But you seem to be pretty sure that none of them is the hidden SpectraView setting.)
With reference to 2. : if SpectraView settings is not a real functioning setting (no real On or Off), softMCCS will not be able to detect it. Setting it to On or Off might give you visual feedback that something has changed, although nothing did. Maybe the OSD/OSM (read NEC) is "lying" to you. :p
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Which means that you could switch SpectraView mode off on your non-European version.
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Yes. This section of the advanced menu is called "SpectraView settings" (not "mode") and has options "on" and "off".
Note. My monitor is a last year revision. New 3090 doesn't have this option in OSM.

Also I would have expected that if softMCCS exposed the SpectraView setting it would have been in the "Manufacturer specific" section.
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softMCCS exposes little of the NEC settings.
"Manufacturer specific" section of softMCCS has several sliding bars.
Among them are those equal to:
OSM lock/unlock
OSM language
OSM color
"Hot Key" function allocation
A couple of bars with no clear effect.
There are no SpectraView settings as far as I can see.

Have you ever tried switching SpectraView mode off ?
(Who would want to do this anyway ?)
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It's off. It's a combination of OSM settings I don't need. I prefer my own settings. According to some reports, "on" enables SpectraView Profiler support on "european" NECs (calibration software for "european" NECs). SpectraViewII software works with my 2490 regardless those settings are "on" or "off".
The NEC 3090 has been reviewed by major russian internet resource.
They have tested a model with "european" power cords. That model supported SpectraViewII pretty well.

Does this option actually do anything, or is it just a "placebo" ?
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It disables Auto brightness
It enables Auto luminance and sets it to a particular level
It enables Colorcomp and sets it to a particular level
It sets gamma selection and color control to Programmable

Visual feedback is more than noticable.
 
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