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I think it is more of an anti-Amd thing as alot of these guys are in the intel forums as well. Seriously razor, that epyc comment came out of left field and it makes you appear to have some sort of vendetta on AMD.

LOL I think anyone would take the Lotus. Yeah it was marketing. The whole point of AMDs test and perhaps Kyles is that Freesync is so good and such a great value that it can make up for the POS card we are about to release. Hey, it's something.

Settle down man. All I am saying is that not everything in gaming experience is quantifiable. Long charts make our epeens feel bigger, but it would be nice to get more real world experience as opposed to just measuring charts. Its like a Mazda Miata. On paper, it looks like total crap. But...

@ Daysk Ok, so you also think the test was useless. I don't.

I know we all hate hypotheticals, but just play along. If that same test group played all of the major games and they all claimed that the Vega/freesync combo offered a better experience over the 1080ti in all of the games, would you buy Vega? Simple yes or no.

Kyle set up the test and chose the game so don't be ao quick to defend your boyfriend.

So you are saying Kyle's test was a big waste of time and money?

The back and forth started when several people were cheerleading the comment that Freesync was a bad investment. I am saying it is a good investment when you can take a POS card like Vega and give similiar experience to the like of a 1080ti. Again, it was only 1 game, but I put more weight on...

Ok, yes they used DOOM. But even then Vega still easily loses to the 1080ti in performance, but was said to offer a better experience, so why couldn't it be true for other games? It is similiar to a R5 vs a 7600k in gaming. Much of the time, they offer similiar fps in gaming but the R7...

That doesn't seem to be the case with AM4 MBs. Also, you save ALOT of money with intel by being able to run cheap ram and getting similiar performance. Finally, this is a CBL/Z370 thread, so it could be around as long as AM4 for all we know. Shintai: nobody will claim a Ryzen loses often to...

Pretty stupid example and obviously not what I meant. Hey, an APU matches a 1080ti because they offer the same experience in Sim City!

Why? Worse technical performance does not equal worse experience, which after all, is what matters. This was shown in the blind test that [H] did.

The CPU is definately bottlenecking that chip.

Bottom line is, you would be crazy to buy an 1800x for more than an 8700k at whatever price it will be. The R7s will still be faster at multi tasking than an 8600k or maybe even a lower i7, so they can justify higher prices than those, but no way higher than an 8700k.

Um care to explain? How will the 1800x be a better value in any way than the 8700k??

AMD just needs to kill the 1800x already. I can't believe people pay over $400 for that thing when the 1700 can achieve the same for half the price. It really kills their value proposistion. The fact that there will not be an 1800x Pro is telling.

Yep "lower usable speed ram" prices really gives intel a value edge. The price difference can be $80 or more when buting 16gb! Also, AMD doesnt seem to have the edge on MB prices. In the past, you could buy an $80 AMD ITX Mb and overclock the hell out of it while the Intel equivelant was...

4 cores definatly struggle in certain games: Not meant to start an AMD vs Intel argument, just wanted to show that more threads can really improve how smooth a game is. FPS do not always tell the entire story.

I still really think an amd 1600 is very competitive, but I am starting to shy away from it. The reason: Ram prices. You really need quality ram to get the most of AM4. 3200 mhz cas 14 or 3600 mhz cas 16. Intel will run fine at 2400 mhz. Also, I might have clearance problems in an SFF...

Z370 only supports c8 power management. i thought CFL used c10??

What is the advantage of a z390 over a z370? release date, compatibility, etc..

I agree that there is a FreeSync advantage, but that is like saying a Lincoln is better than a Aston Martin because the roads are better in the U.S. than the U.K. (ok I struggled making an analogy, but hopefully you get the point). With an AIO cooler, it will be too close to a 1080ti. With...

I think he was responding to the new thread below with the confusing link.

Confusing article. It shows the 8100 and 8350k will have z200 support but all others will be z300.

I might resort to this. The are most likely plucked out of HP systems with crappy binning. BR was suppose to launch the same time as Ryzen 3! http://www.anandtech.com/show/11669/amd-releases-bristol-ridge-to-retail-am4-gets-apus

Not huge gains on o/c, even when using a multi thread app. Curious of thoughts on that. Is it because the app is not using all threads and 4c boost and XFR are offsetting the gains?

I am hoping to get a Bristol Ridge as well. I just want a new build to play around with until I can swap it with Raven Ridge next year. If z370 comes out first, I will probably just get an 8350k instead.

Most of these reviewers are hitting 4.0 ghz on the cpu which is great. More impressive is that they are also getting 3200 mhz on the Ram - some with cas 14!

Nice review at Guru3d. "** Right before testing Ryzen 3 and Threadripper a new game patch was issued and kicked in. Ryzen perf is going up and up and up and up with each new patch (great to see). We still need to re-test Ryzen series 5 and 7 but as you can see, the immense gap has pretty much...

Yes, he keeps pushing the mesh issue even though it adds even more heat and does very little. As for the 30% lower Ryzen performance, these guys are perfectly fine using early Ryzen bios to compare.

I just wanted an overclocked Ryzen 5 with a cool black and gold paint job.

This was especially true for the 7970 vs the 680. After 5 (edit) years, it is still one of the best double precision cards that money can buy. Amazing really.

Good is a relative term I guess. The 1800x lagged behind but may have been pre Agesa 1.0.0.6

Tweaktown 7820x review with latest bios: http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8299/intel-core-i7-7820x-series-skylake-8c-16t-cpu-review/index.html The focus of the bios was to reduce power and did so by 10 watts or so. It sewmed to help gaming min fps also.

The 7940x looks to be the powerhouse.

The 8350k should be an o/c monster. The igpu is unlocked as well. Could make a cheap apu for those that are not willing to wait for Raven Ridge ... like me.

Not sure if this is common knowledge, but the Pro CPUs are NOT unlocked: http://products.amd.com/en-us/search?k=DesktopResults#k=DesktopResults

The 7800x did not prodùce gains on cpu limited games when o/c because it scales terribly with clock increases. The review does not lineup with others because he used 3200 cas 14 which boosts performance alot. Here is some more Ryzen goodness with both 3600 mhz cas 16 and 3200 mhz cas 14...

I doubt they deleted it because it was wrong. Asrock would benifit from no backwards compatibility. More likely, it was deleted because Intel bitched them out and were afraid that a few would choose Ryzen over CFL because of this.

Just seems weird that multi gpu is now dead tech considering both AMD and Intel both have HEDT platforms.