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Like the Silverstone Sugo SG10. I'm afraid that there isn't much else you can really do with the form factor. The way I see it there are only two viable options: An ultra-compact case that will inevitably share many traits either with the Sugo SG10 or the Lian Li PC-Q10, or a very stylish and...

I wouldn't buy an M.2-SSD. Or at least only get the the smallest SM951 as suggested by XelNika. M.2-SSDs are a lot faster than SATA-SSDs, but as average user you won't notice the speed increase - unless you are constantly moving huge chunks of data, which in a case like the M1 without active...

What about a PSU-bracket that allows you to change the position of the PSU? In an mATX-setup I would move the PSU as close as possible to the right panel (while ATX-users would want to do the opposite). That would allow me to mount one, maybe two 2.5''-HDDs between the PSU and the left panel...

You can probably guess where I want to go with this: Move the mainboard as closely to the side panel as possible to increase compatibility with tall coolers. I take from your comments though that you have that already covered in your considerations. I was asking that to get an idea of how much...

A very convincing argument. Not to mention that 3.5'' HDDs have to go into the case as well. Out of curiosity, what is the typical distance between the mainboard and the mainboard tray? And are you considering in your arguments that there might be no room for cable mangagememt behind the...

And for a handful of people who use more than one M.2-drive or who need 8 RAM-slots Necere should design another "mishmash" case, that ATX-user can't even properly utilize to its full potential and that gives mATX-user another mATX-case that comes with many compromises? Since ATX- and...

Yeah, but the case would have to be very wide for that, which would push the design deep into the "Why not just get a Enthoo Evolve for half the price?"-area again. And three-way SLI would be no option anyway (unless you build a massive water-cooling loop maybe), so what would you actually gain...

Not sure if I follow you here. Let's assume a width of 170mm. Even with a 280mm radiator you would still have ~25mm for the "double wall". As for the holes and grommets: You could do what NZXT did with the S440 and just have a side access to the "double wall" where you could put the cables...

Well, first of all thank you for doing that. After thinking about it all day (and now that I'm seeing it in a mockup) I finlly agree that the PSU chamber needs to go. Without it you could add a 140mm fan and radiator underneath the PSU depending on to length of the PSU and the position of the...

The top panel and the extra space at the bottom were just suggestions. Without the extra space in the bottom and a plain floor (maybe with an optional mount for a HDD) you would end up with a height of ~330mm. Which I think could look quite odd with a design that has a front panel and reaches a...

Talking about the 2c layout I agree with you of course. However, you know how people are. They want to mount the best and biggest components, no matter if they need them or not. I think you should give them either support for full-size tower coolers or 244mm AiO-coolers. And I think it would be...

I'm not a fan of inverted layouts. They simply look wrong to me with everything upside down. I like how the vents are integrated in the side panel though. Not with that design. There is no room for tall tower-style CPU-coolers and AiO-watercoolers are difficult if not impossible to use. I...

But what is the selling point then if people could get a similar case from manufacturers like Silverstone for probably less than what an mATX Ncase would cost? A clean front panel without any functionality? Is that the reason why people should pay 200+ Dollars for a fairly common internal layout...

Same here. I imagine the vents to be a separate component that you can just rotate around the y-axis. Voilà! All you need now is a clever mounting system that doesn't care about the orientation of the side vents. As for Lian-Li and powder coating: Do we have other manufacturers to chose from...

That's why I don't like having the radiator in the front because usually I don't use abnormally large graphics card. It's an exception that I'm currently planning with an R9 Fury Strix (because of performance, power consumption, noise, cooling aaaand ... FreeSync). Anyway, I agree that a...

Have you considered a solution that allows people to change the position of the I/O? For the I/O it doesn't matter if it is mounted on the left or the right. You "just" need to design side vents that can be turned around. I agree that getting rid of the ODD would solve many problems. With the...

I agree with Urelure. That combination is way more interesting for the small form factor market than the mATX/ATX hybrid. The only problem is: Why should people buy that case, apart from superior look? Necere, what are your thoughts about the direction of this discussion? Which internal and...

Was just talking about the sidepanels. Of course you could combine that with Necere's most recent design, which could look very cool too. I'm afraid though that the internal frame would become a very complicated (and thus expensive) construction with diagonal bars, and it might not be the...

Just a crazy thought: What about flat-angled chamfered side panels instead of a chamfered front panel? Mmmh, propably to complex to build

I like that one as well. Looks very robust and utilitarian too me. However, I have feeling that the Mac-style design with the perforated black front you have shown early (the one with the full-size ODD in the top) would have a greater mass appeal. Very happy with the dimensions and glad to...

Good point: I either lose some space with the recessed rear I/O and the extra depth, or with the extra room I need for the connectors. And I prefer a recessed rear I/O anyway. It looks nicer and 120mm AiO-coolers don't reach that far into the case. @majic12 I think the general idea is to design...

That would be okay for me. I prefer the "Mac design" anyway and I'm not afraid of a perforated front panel. But 400mm are more or less the upper limit for me. Beyond that limit we are entering a territory were other cases (and other proportions or even other form-factors) become more interesting...

You know my position: I have no problem with extra height, only with extra depth (and too much width). I a find 30 liter case with a small footprint way more interesting than a 20 liter case with a huge footprint (like all these showbox designs on the market).

I would take that route and go with your two colored "Mac design". Are we afraid of perforated front panels? They can look super cool (yet clean) if done right (and as far as I can tell you are doing it right). I was thinking of leaving the area undernath the PSU open. That's actually how it's...

What about no window at all? That way people can make their own windows, which isn't hard. Necere could prepare the sidepanel for a window mod. Aren't there purchasable window kits in all kinds and shapes out there? Couldn't Necere just print a cutout for certain popular window kits into the...

The problem I have with the "half G5" design is ... well, it is a half "G5 design". On the other hand I agree that the silver frame with the clean black front panel makes a great and clean look. Going back to Necere's other and more recent G5'ish two-color design with the variant 1b as...

I would buy it for any price. I like the edges and diagonal shapes. It has "character" and stands out while still maintaining the minimalism. I certainly prefer that approach over designs with round edges (which I find boring most of the time). However, I can see why you did not favorite that...

@Necere Sorry, I got so deep into this topic and all these ideas (while having my head wrapped around another unrelated topic) that I forget your initial comment where you explained your thoughts and considerations in great detail. You have already covered all my thoughts, and variant 1b is the...

I don't necessarily see that happen, at least not because of HBM2. The current GPU formats are well established. I don't think that AMD and Nvidia would limit their power and thermal layouts (and thus the performance of their GPUs) to a 19cm PCB when most customers accept much larger graphics...

Well, yeah, of course I can see why people wouldn't throw away a good 3.25''-HDD as long as it is still doing its job. Even I would probably not replace my current 2TB 3.25''-HDD if I don't have to. But what I really want to abandon are these somewhat classic old school cases with mounts for...

That's something I don't understand either. Most people store their games and programs (that require the speed) on SSDs anyway, and for everything else a 5400RPM 2.5''-HDD is enough. I'm sure that there are people who need the 7200RPM for some reason (video artists for example, who move huge...

That is another fantastic design that I like very much and that I could see becoming a product. I appreciate the compatibility for large coolers and GPUs and I think that putting the PSU into the top (like in the good old days) is actually a good idea to reduce the amount of vents and fans...

After thinking about it I came to the conclusion, that I like this concept the most. I love the edges, that gives it a monolithic appearance, and the little details like how the outer skeleton enframes the side panels or recessed sidepanel vents. However, the I/O panel shouldn't be on the side...

From "most appealing" to "naaah" (personal opinion of course): 1 > 3 > 2 > .................. > 4 #1 is pure perfection. The proportions. The colors and the contrast. The front panel. The positioning of the front panel elements. The internal layout. The feet. The window. It's perfect. Only...

A second variant: Dimensions: 305mm(D) - 370mm(H) 1 - Loooooots of fresh air 2 - I envision the front to be modular with mounts for different fan configurations. 3 - GPU length up to 300mm (to fit the current R9 Fury models) if you change the fan configuration to two 140mm fans without a...

While I was bragging about the clever and efficient internal design of the Sugo SG10, I agree with your points about a clean, straight forward and easy to manage airflow design, and while thinking about it, I remembered a case that I always loved but couldn't afford and that was discontinued...

Wasted space as in "it could almost fit an ATX-PSU". The prototype that was schon during CES was three centimeters shorter, had less spacious and cleaner 2'5'' HDD/SSD-mounts, could fit almost every graphics card available (including the huge ASUS R9 Strix Fury) and had plenty of space for cable...

Well, I wouldn't take that route anyway. Keep the horizontal oerientation for the PSU and use the extra width for modular mounting options in front of the CPU and GPU.

I would prefer to keep the PSU in the horizontal orientation because of the elegant and easier cable routing. Maybe Necere could limit the PSU length to 160mm to keep the case slim. Did a quick check and there plenty 800+ and even some 1000 watts PSUs with that length, so providing power for a...

I don't think that the width of the case is the actual problem. The Sugo SG10 is a Sugo case (well, obiously) and as such it has to fit into certain volume limitations that Silverstone has enforced for the Sugo series. To stay within these limits, the front panel has to be very flat. Lift that...