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Nice analysis Brent , but can you explain something because otherwise i'm unable to understand : since undervolting can result all these that you mentioned above (lesser power , same performance) ,then why exactly AMD doesn't sell this card with lesser voltage at default :eek:??? THERE MUST be...

exactly, if VULCAN is helping for a better gaming-design, then the market will auto-adjust herself , short-term or long-term.

For good or bad the rules of the free-market apply. If you want to change them , then we must change them for everybody, not for AMD especially, that's what i'm saying.

well, other people talked with lawyers as well about razor1 's comments (* https://hardforum.com/threads/geforce-partner-program-impacts-consumer-choice.1955963/page-16 ) and it has been claimed that razor1 's points are wrong. Since that happened here in public view, then i believe that he has...

1)So, how it gets better, if someone adds a post in which simply mocks someone? at least, he should bother to explain his own arguments. 2) !!! Do you know a company that gives away free benefits without asking something in return ??? of course, this is a give & take kind of agreement. If the...

how much i like statements which are using concrete & logical arguments!!:rolleyes: You know, since you are mocking people who dare to express their opinion , at least, please do bother to explain us the reasons that you disagree with those you mock...;)

All these are great info, but i want to focus at my previous question: Legally, does AMD have any right to intervene into an agreement among 3rd companies such as NVidia and her AIBs ? Just like you said before , "does Samsung has any right to guide the OEMs, just because it sells them some...

What i can't understand is how this is AMD's issue and not an AIB's issue. Does AMD have any legal rights to the products that the AIBs sell, and they contain AMD processors inside ? i assume that the AIBs have bought-out from AMD the rights to sell her products and that's it. For example : AMD...

ok, how about a "right" or "wrong" then? as i said, i'm most curious...

about what exactly? lawyers are supposed to pay attention to detail, not making vague statements.. Anyway, can you ask your lawyer what does he think about my arguments at #589 post? i'm most curious to hear what he has to say;)

I don't remember ATI having any problems to keep up with the competition prior the bought out. Are you referring to what exactly ? Radeon X600 line ? :confused:

that's fine since it's your personal opinion, but i have to ask you something: You do remember that AMD has bought out ATI right? And how strong & formidable the Radeon GPUs have been prior the bought out ? So if i was an ATI fan, i would ask myself : "How things would have gone for ATI if AMD...

yeah, too bad though that the 98% of windows-users at Steam Survey suggests otherwise !!;)

exactly. !! Just like i said in a previous post of mine, ASUS already has a different brand name : the "CERBERUS" brand ( https://www.asus.com/us/Graphics-Cards/CERBERUS-GTX1070TI-A8G/ )

-Personally, i like VERY much to compare between similar situations. This is -to me- , the most important method in order to conclude my results. P.S. Anyway, i want to put it as plain & simple as i can: The hole point of AMD's arguments is that their interests will be damaged if AIBs follow...

-Generall comment: I haven't read the exact terms of the program, so my comments are based on logical arguments (*not legal ones, since a) i'm not aware of US law system, & b) i haven't read the program's exact terms) 1) no comment here... 2) You begin with a mistake in my opinion: can it be...

and why is that ? from what i hear NV's cards are extremely efficient on "ethereum" bit-coin, isn't this correct?. So, the question is which type of bit-coin is going to prevail. Who knows, since just like you said, ""Mining is just taking off""

Nice thinking BUT ... there isn't, and there will not ever be such a company!! Whoever feels that he has the power , or at least somekind of a leverage that will grand them larger profits, then guess what.... they are going to exploit it !!! ;)

This was just an example. The point of my question was : " what is stopping ASUS from creating a different brand name for AMD's GPUs , IF they evaluate their possible participation at GPP as beneficial to them".

I said it before. IF (* i emphasize again, IF ) GPP is beneficial to ASUS, then what's stopping them from creating a different brand-name for AMD's GPUs ? (* i already gave an example at a previous post: "SOG" a.k.a "society of gamers" for example :p.)

What makes me wondering for years now, is why the focus is almost always shifted towards a company with around 70% marketshare, while other companies with much higher marketshares are completely "ignored" !! (* for example, i was just looking at Steam Survey for the OS market and windows OS has...

Which is entirely different compared to AMD's Founde.... ehmm i mean "Frontiers Edition" right? :rolleyes:

Ehmm, What exactly does this mean? That the competitive chipsets were "non-hot" or "noticeably less-hot" ?? The "hot or not" discussion has a meaning only if the competition of that time could produce "non-hot or noticeably less-hot" chipshets!! otherwise this discussion has no point. Anyway...

What i know is that on 2005, Intel used NVidia's NForce4 SLI chipset, in order not to be annihilated -performance wise- from AMD, since until then, only AMD could use NV's SLI patent (*crossfire wasn't made back then) - EDIT: https://www.anandtech.com/show/1662/16. Thus, until then, the...

1) If they can make larger profits with a new deal (GPP) compared to the older status, why not creating another brand-name as a side-effect? I can't see anything stopping them. 2) Yet, what is MS marketshare at the current OS market? 80-90% . While NVidia is what ?... 60-70% (*my estimations...

My question exactly!! Is this supposed to be funny? !! Personally, in most of [H]'s front page news, i only give a quick look at the text, and i very rarely watch the attached videos, in order to save time (*since i would never imagine that what was written is totally false news !!:eek: ) It...

Gamers Nexus benchmarks for TITAN V :

what? Even GTX1080Ti ,-(the most powerful GPU at the current market besides Titan Xp )- ,has to make some sacrifices at some games at 4K. 1440p is the perfect resolution for the GTX1070Ti if you want max quality at graphics, not the 4K one.

Does the Fermi and Kepler versions, both existed at the same time, same market-period ? Because that's what is happening now with the 2 RX560 versions. They both exist at the same time. If NV stopped the production of the older model (*AMD doesn't do such thing) then where is the problem?

As i said again in a similar thread ( https://hardforum.com/threads/amd-launches-slower-rx-560-with-same-name.1949777/#post-1043362738 ) , the example that you showed isn't the same case. With what you showed, we have an upgraded version when going from the "Fermi" one to the "Kepler". Here we...

hmmm, i checked the AMD section first, before making this thread, but i didn't imagine that a topic like this could have been posted at "front page" section instead.

Check the video again. He clearly says that the 560 D is ONLY about the Asian market. Doesn't apply in general. That was the review's hole point.

you must have confused some things buddy: i haven't attacked AMD. As i said at my 1st post, i just dedicated a video to AMD fanboys !! i didn't make this video, and i also didn't make any comment such as : ( https://www.gamersnexus.net/industry/3163-rx-560-controversy-4gb-means-4gb ) :rolleyes:;)

The difference between what you say and the RX 560 case, is that the new GTX1060 is UPGRADED compared to the previous version not DOWNGRADED as is the case with RX 560. A customer might buy this downgraded-same-name version , thinking that he bought the original one at a very good price!!

-1st of all, although i like [H]'s reviews, this doesn't mean that it's my only source of info. -Secondly, just like vegeta535 said at previous post, the liquid cooled version of VEGA64 is the top of the top. It shows us the real limits of VEGA64, because there can be no aftermarket cooling...

exactly that !! (y)

Here is also Gamer's Nexus, Steve Burke's comment about this matter : https://www.gamersnexus.net/industry/3163-rx-560-controversy-4gb-means-4gb

I'm not defending/attacking a company. I'm focusing on the people who were defending/attacking a company. That is the point of this video. That every company has one and only goal: To make as much money as possible. All the other details -such as my all-time favourite AMD slogan about "joining...

Since from many AMD "pure-fanboys" , AMD is considered as a company who "values its customers", "sells products at low prices" , "join a revolution (*that was one of my favourite slogans ever:woot:)" .......etc , on the contrary to "evil NVidia who only wants our money", well , this video is...

How was that you said? "Le Sigh" Apparently you should check the numbers here 1st before jumping to your own personal conclusions . ( ) You'll notice that at stock the GTX1070Ti easily outperforms VEGA56, and while OC'ed in most games it matches even the VEGA64 LiquidCooled version , which...