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Prerequisite system info: OS: Win 10 Pro x64, build 18363; CPU: Intel i5-4590; GPU: GTX 970; RAM: dual-channel 8GB DDR3 HyperX Fury; Mobo: AsRock H97 Anniversary Issue: This is something that has arisen on a few occasions this year. It was a clean install of Windows on a machine that was built...

Sorry but you're kinda wrong about that as well: Looking at DirectX 12 Performance in Ashes of the Singularity - SemiAccurate In this more updated version of Ashes of the Singularity, even the 5960x sees a literal doubling of performance in DX12. How is that no difference? I know that everybody...

Q4 2016 launch for HEDT CPU (i.e. AM4), 2017 for Opterons and APU's.

I see people still subscribe to the whole "there's no way AMD impacted anything, DX12 was in development for 50 years in spite of the fact that MS themselves denied it before a certain point as did various software devs/companies" theory. I guess it's just a huge coincidence that DX12 and Vulkan...

They're not "revolutions" but they are indeed evolutions of Mantle. Mantle was never intended to be a full-on API with longevity (at least not in terms of being used for games past its introductory period.) DX12 uses Mantle code in it. Go look at the SDK's, much of the DX12 stuff is...

Vulkan, DX12, and LiquidVR all say hi! :D:D:D edit: And as usual the trolls come out spreading their headache-inducing ignorance in the thread. Anyone who honestly thinks this chip would target the consumer market needs to just leave every tech forum ever, for the rest of their lives. Maybe get...

No point in having HBM on-die, especially on a consumer part. They're gonna be putting them on interposers just like what we saw with Fury.

I wish people would actually do like half a second of research before hopping on the doomsday train. It's been known for ages that Zen will basically be 8C/16T tops on the consumer platform. This is the latest roadmap from AMD and it clearly says "high core count." Unless someone will seriously...

I'm not sure why people are thinking that Summit Ridge will ship out the box with 4.0ghz and higher speeds. I don't expect that at all, not for the octocore SKU's anyway, especially given the 95W TDP the processors are supposedly targeting. I think they're doing exactly what they said they are...

Even if AMD does meet the 40% or greater IPC jump, there's still gonna be people bitching about it for contrived reasons as usual.

I have not seen any benches or figures given from users in regards to Excavator, unfortunately. Only some geekbench results. FM2+ is getting some Excavator Athlons soon but they will be locked-multiplier and most likely only released in limited markets (like China.) Bristol Ridge will launch on...

Your expectations are not realistic. And even if Zen does launch in the ballpark between Ivy and Haswell, how is that not good? Broadwell barely had any noticeable increase over Haswell, and ditto for Skylake. Intel's last biggest jump in IPC and/or perf/core was between Westmere and Sandy...

Zen (in this case Summit Ridge) DID tape out already. A while ago, actually. The whole "Zen has yet to tape out" thing is a misnomer, the guy was actually talking about the server variant when he said it hadn't taped yet. That's why every time you see AMD mention Zen launching in 2016 they...

You didn't need to be able to read German to simply look at that picture for half of a nanosecond and see "FX-8370 AMD FX PROCESSOR WITH WRAITH COOLER" right there in your face. Next time don't be lazy and use Google Translate. Have a good day :).

Slide from a recent earnings call Interesting how it says "on track to provide greater than 40% IPC increase over previous generation". They seem really confident about Zen. Glad they're not beating any drums about it to give off a Bulldozer-esque vibe.

That's precisely what it is... As you can see in the article and picture in my post...

Looks like you can get the Wraith cooler with some pre-existing chips now: http://www.computerbase.de/2016-01/kaveri-flaggschiff-amd-a10-7890k-gezeigt-in-wenigen-wochen-im-handel/

Yeah, the K8-lineage all support 3DNow! instructions. Even my 32nm-based Llano chips supported them.

This thread is one of the fucking dumbest I've seen in a long time.

Check back in 6~12 months.

There's not a lot of good logic in this post. You imply that AMD did all of this deliberately and to spite "hardcore enthusiasts". I mean I'm sure I don't need to remind everyone here that people like us are an extremely small niche which is not and never really was the focus of these companies...

Cinebench is a fucking joke for benchmarking and I'm surprised people still rely on it so much. It's almost mythological at this point.

They weren't clueless for the decision, it was the smart thing to do. Why build something that performs worse than its predecessor? That's the same reason they didn't bother making SR and XV-based Opteron parts, hence no AM3+ successors past Piledriver. Jim Keller rejoined AMD in mid-2012 and...

His work on K12 was most definitely finished, the rest of the team will handle the rest of that.

Well the reason the 3 module SR part got canned is because they couldn't get a good enough process node to put it on. I mean theoretically they could've made it, but it would've clocked even worse than the SR we got and consumed much more power as well. Would've been pointless for both desktop...

It's a shame that they canned the three-module Steamroller variant. I understand why they did it, but it would've been a top seller I think.

Well the reason he disappeared was because he got fired lol, but he did ragequit the tech community after the chip came out and everybody saw how it performed. But I never understood why so many people were acting surprised because the performance was leaked well before the chip even released...

Yeah exactly. Notice how he didn't say anything about IPC lol.

Some Carrizo results: https://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/3850671?baseline=2112597

Carrizo has had a dual DDR3/DDR4 mem controller since the start.

Confirmed where? Nowhere. Zen taped out already quite a while ago. In fact it won't be long before early sample "leaks" start appearing.

That's some nice revisionist history. Itanium crashed and burn two years before AMD even had its first x64 processors out in market. Performance of the initial Itaniums were mediocre compared to pre-existing RISC and CISC processors that were available. It was most certainly both a hardware AND...

I dunno how no one mentioned Itanium yet lol. Also LOL @ saying Bulldozer was worse than Netburst.

I never said they reached it, I said it wasn't outlandish. They originally planned to extend the 15h family into 2018 with revisions, but then GloFo kept fucking up the nodes and AMD opted to can big-die versions of SR and XV successors to Piledriver server parts, which meant no more updates to...

Whoops, got the names mixed up. Summit Ridge = Zen CPU, Raven Ridge = Zen APU, Bristol = Excavator APU. Also some recent info suggests an Excavator APU is coming to FM2+, but I'll believe it when I see it.

That's not a 50% improvement in one generation, but over several of them, and wasn't really outlandish. I mean it's not hard to improve on something which already has a busted foundation to begin with. From what I currently understand, Kaby Lake will also be 14nm, so even if their 10nm node is...

Nonsense. The only thing I ever saw them claim anywhere close to 50% was in regards to total throughput, and that was in multi-threaded code and obviously it came from the jump from 6 to 8 cores going from Stars to Bulldozer. Nowhere at any point was it ever said by AMD that there would be a 50%...

Stars was already at the end of its lifespan. There wasn't much more they could've done with it. See the Husky (Llano) core revision which took Stars to 32nm, wasn't anything bad but wasn't groundbreaking either. K10 was just an updated evolution of K8, which itself was an evolution of K7...

Initial Zen products will be CPU-only, but there will be Zen-based APU's coming in 2017. 40% IPC increase is pretty realistic. Zen was a design that was done by a team that was allowed to do whatever they wanted to do, and were given as much time as they needed to do it. Compare and contrast...

AMD already said that K12 was merely pushed back in favor of x86 since they realized that customers weren't so privy to ARM as they'd thought. K12 is still a thing but they opted to throw more R&D at finalizing Zen rather than K12. I don't see how this would "force" Keller to leave AMD since...