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Awesome as always Vega. Also,

The ratio is about 2% different. The biggest difference is that this is seeming like a HPL process rather than the straight up HKMG process. That makes performance a huge unknown.

They are both half nodes though, so it's only really one full node shrink. e.g. the ratio between 40 nm and 28 nm is almost exact same as ratio between 45nm and 32nm. More importantly, 40 to 28 is almost same ratio as 55 to 40, which was the previous shrink we went through.

Latest rumors put NV 6xx a couple months behind SI at best. I also don't see why people are only expecting 30% improvement. It's a die shrink along with an architecture change, each of which can yield 25% on its own, meaning a net gain of at least 56% when you compound it.

Both Nvidia's and AMD's drivers are always crap and simultaneously worse than the other one's, particularly for features the other one doesn't even have. ;)

Well, there's the Clevo P170, P150, x7200 or the AW M17x or M18x as 580m options out there. MSI if you're willing to step down to 570M.

And people seem to think people like you don't exist :D Aside from the crazy hobbyists who do it for the hell of it, there are people who actually fit the market demographic, else the product wouldn't exist.

Yes, but article specifically says suggesting TSMC is long pole in tent, not AMD or Nvidia's tapeout. I realize Demers said different, but I don't really know anything beyond that. Is his track record good for his company's launch dates?

Article says TSMC 28nm process not mature being one of the reasons for the delay. That would affect AMD too. They're not using GloFo for Southern Islands.

No, it's actually a revised version of the 485M. Tweaked design, same number of cores and slightly higher clocks. There are some who travel and want to game, but can stand to be tethered at their destination. For others, it's just a hobby.

I'd say complex is misleading. GPUs are without question larger and have more transistors, but they are also highly regular in structure, with identical execution units repeated hundreds of times. A full blown CPU is still a more complex beast. Still, to answer the original question, when you...

28nm cards should be on the market by then, so if you are set on upgrading for a specific game regardless of whether it's needed, there would be reason to wait.

I thought this thread was going to be about post GDDR5 memories. This thread on B3D is interesting: http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=59907

You forgot the most important difference. The 24" is a full 8-bit IPS. (can't remember if S-IPS or H-IPS). 23" is 6-bit e-IPS.

u2311h and ips236v use the same panel (it's an lg panel). The difference is backlight (CCFL vs. LED), ergonomics and settings menus.

3dgameman has taken a look at it. The modular front fan enclosures is genius. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtFTJUHYNJE

Matte. It has a light AG coating.

Tubing would get excessive. If they could figure out some sort of basic block vs. complete block to where the basic block included the block plus some sort of bridge-type connection with a failsafe valve to connect to the next card. Then, you'd only need one block to actually have the tubing to...

So it's an unannounced product? :p BTW, that must be a big table. Your cases are pretty big.

Any drawbacks to running CPU heatsink 90 degree rotated if you have a top exhaust? I'm wanting to avoid RAM clearance issues with a traditional push pull that exhausts out the rear of the case.

Too noisy at full blast maybe. Did you run them on high to avoid the buzzing?

That first shot is practically a corsair ad minus the top exhaust fan (why do you have no exhaust fan??)

The 231p is just the 236V plus speakers, stand adjustments and different inputs. The 236v is a choice between LED and CCFL backlights basically. Price is about the same.

Yes, do monitors. IPS with light AG coating and CCFL or RGB LED. ;)

I wouldn't expect a u2311h replacement soon given the LG IPS236V and Asus ML239H just launched with the the same panel (which is e-ips, I don't know what uh-ips that the picture shows above is).

Any reviews on this guy (or the IPS236v from LG)? I'm curious if the LED hurts or helps as compared to the CCFL in the u2311h.

Just get a HDMI to DVI cable or dongle. Not too big of a deal.

Part of it is the consumers' fault and part of it is the studios' unwillingness to take risks. Look at popular movies and music. Extremely formulaic stuff out there. As much as games take to finance these days, people cannot afford to flop. The best thing you can do is support inventive IPs when...

Yeah, but dual GPU cards in small form factor systems? Very uncommon.

Good, so I've been giving you shit on two fronts :cool: Only thing I'm curious about is when we can expect to see normal 600T with the revised fans. I hope it coincides with their availability on the corsair website.

Yes, but as long as the second slot is 8x (which isn't always the case), there's really no performance impact in adding a second card over a full 16x 16x setup.

Anyone else find it funny the source article mentions the guy buying a 5970 because his mobo only had one full speed 2.0 slot? I have to imagine the market of people who would buy a 5970 but skimp on the mobo is very slim unless they're trying to cram a 5970 in a small case for shits and giggles.

Both you and CorsairGeorge on overclock (I assume you are separate guys) are great at listening to feedback, which is a good thing. The thing with the balance is that if my case fans are starving my GPU and CPU, their fans are going to start working harder, eliminating the low noise gains you...

Decide for yourself http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1036913896&postcount=1409 The draw of an IPS is color gamut and accuracy. If all you're interested in is internet browsing and text reading, IPS may be overkill for you.

That's no excuse for a poorly designed 200mm fan, which corsair admitted and have corrected on the 650d and white 600t :)

Another fan of bit-tech. I was all about the 600T until I saw their actual review of its cooling performance, something most everyone else completely missed.

Those two use the same 6-bit eIPS panel I believe. The main difference will be the fact that the LG has a LED backlight. That can inhibit color performance since it is white LED and not RGB. Other than that, the differences will be aesthetics and settings. I've not seen a review for the LG, but...

Interested to see actual response time on the MVA. My guess is that it's still shit for gaming.

Heh, I edited out to avoid the repeat. Anyway, I'm sure AMD will try their damndest to have enthusiast 7xxx cards on store shelves for Christmas. Current roadmaps seem to support that possibility, albeit perhaps with limited availability.

That's exactly what I said. Flagship (Wimbledon) released in Q2 2012. I was a little late on the performance parts, but I think most care about enthusiast level here.