It looks like a static dithering effect. The squares don't appear to have a solid color more like a hazy pattern. The pattern doesn't flicker or at least I don't think it does, so it probably wouldn't a temporal dithering. It's not too bad unless you hit the right shade of grey/black then it...
View the image at http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/black.php
Dithering effects are very obvious in the squares 11 and up. I just recently tested my new U2410 for the dithering, it is only Adobe RGB and sRGB modes. The other modes all have uniform color without obvious dithering effects (doesn't...
No luck fixing the pixel. If only it were off in a corner or something instead of right in the middle of the screen =(
Anyway, 1 hour on the phone with Dell later, they're sending out a replacement.
Got my U2410 today. When staring at a pure white screen there is not any hugely noticeable tinting or color gradation, but of COURSE there is a stuck-on green pixel about 2 inches right of the dead center of the monitor that is unavoidable when looking at a pure black screen.
Praying that...
No one knows what the effects of A01 are as of yet. At least I haven't read anyone saying they have an A01.
Dynamic contrast, if I remember correctly, is only available in the gaming mode. TFT central mentioned in their review that it seemed odd for it not to be in the Multimedia mode also...
Gecks,
Question still remains - how did Dell fix/address this in the *new* firmware? Is it truly a *fix* or has Dell simply expanded the RGB gamut to reduce the visible dithering?
* The new firmware removes the dithering with no relation to color gamut. We cannot answer in detail on the...
I saw that guide at http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/dell2005_backlight_fix.htm, all I can say is you are a daring person to dismantle a ~$500 monitor. If you do it, let us know how it goes.
Well, they dumped the price another $30 to $499 (small and medium business, for home the discount actually went down from $70 to $50 lol), so I went in for that with 5% bing cashback (or so I hope? maybe? The whole bing process seemed like dark voodoo magic and I have no confirmation from...
And one more follow up from Chris:
All,
If I do buy now and get an A00 can you say definitively that I'll be able to trade it in for an A01 when they become available?
* For the dithering complaint, yes.
This is some good news, if you get an A00 with tinting due to the panel, this might be a...
Latest response from Chris on the Dell forums - A01 by Christmas unlikely:
The latest is that there are many discussions going on about this. Nothing has been decided. In my opinion, there will not be an A01 by Christmas. Maybe they will surprise me. My question to you, is your normal usage...
Full agreement from me on the idea of supporting user firmware upgrades. There are downsides, inevitably there will be some that have something go wrong with their update and then they might "brick" their monitor. (This is something that the Sony PSP was notorious for) But the cost of...
The latest response from Chris on the Dell forums:
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Re: U2410 Rev A01 eta?
14 Dec 2009 09:30PM
rkhrt27,
ChrisM have you still not received an email back?
* Yes. We are in discussions. Nothing to report yet.
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A01 is imaginary =P
Most places do tax based on shipping address. If GA has sales tax on something when you buy from a store then you probably have tax on that same something you buy on the internet. I'm not 100% sure on that though as I don't live in GA =)
If you use the gaming mode for the reduced input lag /...
You can get one from the Dell Clearance Store on eBay for $499 and then 8% bing cashback. It was 15% before but I can't seem to find bing keywords to search that bring up the 15% link anymore. To get the cashback you have to go to bing.com and search for terms like "lcd monitors" "dell...
If you have a U2410 without tinting issues I would not risk returning it unless the dithering in the RGB modes is a serious problem for you. Tinting is something that is completely chance - you might get it and you might not. Since you've already won the "lottery" I wouldn't try playing it...
If it is available I haven't read any reports on this forum or others of a customer with one. The A01 fix as I understand it is mainly to fix the dithering in sRGB and adobe RGB modes that was present in A00. The monitor tinting issues have been acknowledged by Dell here...
Got some info from Chris on the Dell forums over on this thread: http://en.community.dell.com/forums/t/19307543.aspx
"Thedrun, The dithering fixed monitors will have an A01 label."
This seems to contradict his post earlier that the fix was in place in all the factories and hubs as of Nov...
One thing I've seen people doing - If you really want to go crazy on it, crank the saturation to the max while looking at a white screen. It will make the colors go wonky, but any color gradation issues will appear super-obvious.
Also in other news: GIVE ME YOUR 2490WUXI !!! :eek::eek::eek:
And thanks to PatK for a much more involved explanation of why the dither issue is a legitimate concern =)
I definitely share your outlook, the dither issue is the smaller of the two issues. If I had one with good tint uniformity and dithering I would take that over one without dithering and...
Thanks retardude48 for the video, a little guerrilla on the camera work but it gets the point across. Your updates regarding your experience with the U2410 are much appreciated. How's the tint uniformity?
Thanks Betaboy for explaining succinctly why the dither issue is a legitimate concern...
I saw that too, very confusing. I thought the sRGB dithering fix was supposed to be A01, just that the labeling might be delayed. Now it seems like it's a different thing altogether.
You might want to look into a transfer of ownership, ala http://support.dell.com/support/topics/global.aspx/support/change_order/tag_transfer
Dunno if there are special rules for monitors but I think they have service tags like anything else Dell.
Sorry to hear you got the bum firmware. It sucks that a fix which was supposedly in the hubs on Nov. 20th according to the Dell rep is still nowhere to be found in the hands of actual customers.
I guess the rep didn't exactly say it would be labeled A01 - "The fix was in place on November 20...
My understanding is that you can exchange your old-firmware monitor for one with the new firmware but you won't get a "brand new monitor", instead a refurb that has had the firmware flashed. I was looking for the Dell post I read this from but I couldn't find it...
Good to hear you got a decent deal. Please be sure to come back to this thread and post your results when you receive the monitor, especially regarding the revision number, the dithering issue, and any tinting issues. The more data points the better =)
Regarding the Mac connectivity, depends...
I would lean towards no on this - the ebay storefront mentions specifically that the systems/items offered there are pre-configured and you can't tweak them. The extended warranty is one of the options you can choose for the configuration if you go through dell.com. With the bing cashback you...
Poking around the Dell site it appears if you say you're a small/medium business you can get the U2410 for $100 off, $499 before tax/fees. If you're a Home though, you only get $70 off. But I don't see anything preventing me from checking out either way. Confusalizing.
Not sure where you would look I assume it's on the monitor labels somewhere. ChrisM, the Dell rep over on the Dell forums that deals with customer issues, stated that the dithering issue was firmware fixed and into the hubs as of November 20th, but there wasn't a visible label change for it. I...
Not so sure about the factory report - I think all new U2410s are supposed to come with that. The calibration is done only for one point - in the center of the screen - so it gives general assurances, but for the tint issue which is usually on the corners it doesn't mean much of anything...
Much love for the response, I'm still on the fence. Definitely don't want the sRGB dither issue since there is a fix, but how to tell if the fix is in the monitors currently being shipped? I haven't seen any reports yet. And still worried about getting green/pink tint. How did your U2410 turn...
@ihmcguinness - I'm not sure what secret you might have on your side but even with EPP 7% from the company I work with it's not under $500 right now. We're talking USD just to be clear. Maybe you have some buying tips you could share with us, but I've not met with much success haggling with...
If you are considering this monitor definitely be sure to read this Dell forum thread.
http://en.community.dell.com/forums/p/19302919/19603137.aspx?PageIndex=1
This thread starts with a response from a Dell representative acknowledging there is a pink/green color gradation issue and...